Israeli justice and settlement in action.

[routan]

AHAHHA wow!

Land grabbed by terrorist means??


You mean when israel was ATTACKED on the day after its establishment by 7 arab nations?

You mean land legally won in war after israel was being attacked and/or being set up to be attacked (6 day war, israel did a pre-emptive strike because egypt had a whole battalion at the border)


and wow. Israel since day -10000 has asked and yearned for peace.

before they were a nation, they were in legal settlements in the ottoman empire and later under british rule.


all legal.


when the jews started to do sucessfully, the jealous arabs started attacking them, leading the jews to create the HAGANAH ( translates to: Defense)

which later became the IDF ( Israel DEFENSE Forces)


Israel has, is, and will always ask for peace from its neighbors.

egypt and jordan realized what to do, lebanon was close to it, and syrian talks are in the "pre-alpha" stages.

Saudi Arabia is secretly helping israel under the table.


The palestinians do not want peace. they simply stall and continue to leech money from places in the world.

arafat had a larger income than all of the israeli counterparts, in their peace talks, combined.

Freshgeardude, you have no knowledge of any historical facts. Please read up a little before you post. To start off, please search for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Legion and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haganah.

 

[routan]

So let me guess your perspective on this is coming from that of a Muslim??
The same person who started the infamous thread.... A Muslim Perspective..ok....lol

So lets play what if for a moment--
What if we were to dis-arm the whole middle east, except for Israel.
Lets pretend that 20 years passed, would there still be a middle east? The answer is YES!!!

What if we were to dis-arm Israel and allow all the nations in the middle east to remained armed to the teeth.
Lets pretend that 20 years passed, would Israel still exist? Not at all. You know that and I know that!

I rest my case!!

P.S - for trying to come accross as a Muslim who clamed to understand the issues in your thread - A Muslim Perspective -- You fail miserably!!

JEDIYoda, I understand that child-like brains like to play hypothetical What If games. Fortunately, such hypotheticals are just that, hypotheticals.

 

[routan]

I totally agree with you!!
It really is too bad that Hamas wants the land that israel is on and refuses to recognize Israel`s right to exist!! That is a freeakin shame. Hamas would rather see all of Israel a desolate wasteland and all the people living in Israel killed!

Taken directly from the hamas charter --

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."

"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."

........

JEDIYoda, while Hamas' position is abhorrent, why do you not address Israel's goal of keep the Palestinians without a state, holding the Gaza Strip as a prison, expanding on settlements on occupied lands considered illegal by every nation, so on and so forth?

 

[JEDIYoda]

JEDIYoda, while Hamas' position is abhorrent, why do you not address Israel's goal of keep the Palestinians without a state, holding the Gaza Strip as a prison, expanding on settlements on occupied lands considered illegal by every nation, so on and so forth?

For the same reason ytou believe that israel has no need to be recognized.
The interesting thing about your view point is that depending on how you look at this it is very easy for me to say to you --
Why do you assume that Israel's goal is to keep the Palestinians without a state? It is better the gaza strip be a 'prison" as you would call it that for it to be a hotbed of activity designed to harm israel and it`s populace! You mean expanding on Legal settlements legitimately gained in defense of it`s land and people?

You say the settlements on occupied lands considered illegal by every nation?
Now you are sounding more and more like Lemon law.....thanks for the laugh..hahaha

 

[JEDIYoda]

Posted by Freshgeardude
AHAHHA wow!

Land grabbed by terrorist means??


You mean when israel was ATTACKED on the day after its establishment by 7 arab nations?

You mean land legally won in war after israel was being attacked and/or being set up to be attacked (6 day war, israel did a pre-emptive strike because egypt had a whole battalion at the border)


and wow. Israel since day -10000 has asked and yearned for peace.

before they were a nation, they were in legal settlements in the ottoman empire and later under british rule.


all legal.


when the jews started to do sucessfully, the jealous arabs started attacking them, leading the jews to create the HAGANAH ( translates to: Defense)

which later became the IDF ( Israel DEFENSE Forces)


Israel has, is, and will always ask for peace from its neighbors.

egypt and jordan realized what to do, lebanon was close to it, and syrian talks are in the "pre-alpha" stages.

Saudi Arabia is secretly helping israel under the table.


The palestinians do not want peace. they simply stall and continue to leech money from places in the world.

arafat had a larger income than all of the israeli counterparts, in their peace talks, combined.

posted by routan --Freshgeardude, you have no knowledge of any historical facts. Please read up a little before you post. To start off, please search for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Legion and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haganah.

the more you post routan, the simialrties between you and Lemon Law jump out!
Everything Freshgeardude said is basically spot on!
But the other side of the coin which you and Lemon Law like to use just doesn`t add up with the actual facts!

Freshgradude is spot on!!

 

[bfdd]

JEDIYoda, while Hamas' position is abhorrent, why do you not address Israel's goal of keep the Palestinians without a state, holding the Gaza Strip as a prison, expanding on settlements on occupied lands considered illegal by every nation, so on and so forth?

The land is not considered illegally occupied by "every nation."

 

[Lemon law]

The land is not considered illegally occupied by "every nation."

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Bfdd, if you say that is true name one nation besides Israel itself that recognizes the Israeli permanent ownership of East Jerusalem, the West Bank, Gaza, the Golan Heights, and other areas?

 

[routan]

For the same reason ytou believe that israel has no need to be recognized.
The interesting thing about your view point is that depending on how you look at this it is very easy for me to say to you --
Why do you assume that Israel's goal is to keep the Palestinians without a state? It is better the gaza strip be a 'prison" as you would call it that for it to be a hotbed of activity designed to harm israel and it`s populace! You mean expanding on Legal settlements legitimately gained in defense of it`s land and people?

You say the settlements on occupied lands considered illegal by every nation?
Now you are sounding more and more like Lemon law.....thanks for the laugh..hahaha

JEDIYoda, I said no such thing. Your supposition of the same shows your jaded view and can amply display to all AT Members that it is you who has bias, not I.

If you are referring to the the occupied lands as legitimately gained in defense, then I dont see how you can have a problem with the other side's aim of defending the Palestinian rights and re-occupying the land. While I view this as a terrible approach, you seem to favor it. Hence the cycle can continue.

The settlements are illegal by international law as per United Nations - I used that as a proxy for "every nation". I stand corrected.

 

[routan]

the more you post routan, the simialrties between you and Lemon Law jump out!
Everything Freshgeardude said is basically spot on!
But the other side of the coin which you and Lemon Law like to use just doesn`t add up with the actual facts!

Freshgradude is spot on!!

JEDIYoda, lol. Okay, ofcourse because you said so, it must be true. Sadly, with no valuable contributions, I am hopeful that others can observe how ridiculous your viewpoints are.

 

[Freshgeardude]

Freshgeardude, you have no knowledge of any historical facts. Please read up a little before you post. To start off, please search for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Legion and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haganah.

WOW! did you even read what you post?

The Jewish Legion was the name for five battalions of Jewish volunteers established as the British Army's 38th through 42nd (Service) Battalions of the Royal Fusiliers. The initial unit, known as the Zion Mule Corps, was formed in 1914-1915 during World War I, when Britain was at war against the Ottoman Turks, as Zionists around the world saw an opportunity to promote the idea of a Jewish National Homeland.

A bunch of british jews fought the ottoman turks, the very people that kicked them out for hundreds of years.

LOL what an opportunity. It was WWI.

Haganah (Hebrew: "The Defense", ההגנה HaHagana) was a Jewish paramilitary organization in what was then the British Mandate of Palestine from 1920 to 1948, which later became the core of the Israel Defense Forces.

After the 1920 Arab riots and 1921 Jaffa riots, the Jewish leadership in Palestine believed that the British, to whom the League of Nations had given a mandate over Palestine in 1920, had no desire to confront local Arab gangs which frequently attacked Palestinian Jews. Believing that they could not rely on the British administration for protection from these gangs, the Jewish leadership created the Haganah to protect Jewish farms and kibbutzim. In addition to guarding Jewish communities, the role of the Haganah was to warn the residents of and repel attacks by Palestinian Arabs. In the period between 1920–1929, the Haganah lacked a strong central authority or coordination. Haganah "units" were very localized and poorly armed: they consisted mainly of Jewish farmers who took turns guarding their farms or their kibbutzim.


Following the 1929 Palestine riots, the Haganah's role changed dramatically. It became a much larger organization encompassing nearly all the youth and adults in the Jewish settlements, as well as thousands of members from the cities. It also acquired foreign arms and began to develop workshops to create hand grenades and simple military equipment, transforming from an untrained militia to a capable underground army.

EVERYTHING I SAID. ALL TRUE.

Your links, not mine.