Israeli Intelligence in Lebanon faces setback because of France

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Narmer

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Despite the success in Dubai it looks like military intelligence in Lebanon has been compromised. Also, an interesting book shows that Israel's military intelligence may have been infliterated by Hezbullah with a cellular phone.

http://www.economist.com/world/middle-east/displaystory.cfm?story_id=15581338

Not such a success

Feb 25th 2010 | CAIRO
From The Economist print edition


A round-up of Israeli spies

WITH a lot less exposure in the world’s press than it got for its recent Dubai operation, Israel has quietly suffered a string of setbacks in Lebanon, a front-line state with which it has often been at war. Lebanon’s security service says that since November 2008 it has broken up no fewer than 25 Israeli spy rings. The reported arrest this month of a colonel in Lebanese army intelligence, identified solely by the initials GS, brings the number of those charged to 70-plus; 40 of them are in Lebanese police custody.

For a force better known for its failure to manage traffic, let alone resolve Lebanon’s sorry catalogue of political murders, the counter-intelligence sweep is an unprecedented coup. The arrests are said to have exposed a series of agents for Israel, ranging from a retired Lebanese army general who ran a housecleaning service to a garage owner who specialised in supplying Hizbullah, Lebanon’s Shia party-cum-militia, with vehicles that he secretly fitted with tracking devices.

Some are said to have worked for the Israelis since the 1980s, whereas others were recruited after Israel’s war against Hizbullah in 2006. Earlier this month a Lebanese court sentenced two such agents to death for blowing up a Palestinian Islamist leader and his brother in a car in 2006. One is charged separately with killing two top Hizbullah men, as well as the son of Ahmad Jibril, past head of a Palestinian guerrilla group.

Aside from the alleged spies, the Lebanese say they netted fancy surveillance and communications gear disguised, among other innocuous things, as Thermos flasks, canisters of motor oil and battery chargers. The gadgetry may be what gave the game away. Security sources hint that France or perhaps Russia helped the Lebanese by supplying sophisticated systems to monitor and analyse the telecoms data. The Lebanese then homed in on suspicious signals.

Another clue may have pointed to the importance of the signals trail. Last summer, as the spies were being rounded up, a senior man in Unit 8200, the section of Israeli military intelligence tasked with eavesdropping on Israel’s enemies, shot himself in his office. Colleagues blamed “unrequited love”.


http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3776131,00.html

"Some wounds never heal: A new book reveals how Hezbollah was able to detonate an explosive-rigged cell phone within the heart of Military Intelligence – Unit 8200.
Unit 8200 is a staple of Israeli intelligence and is responsible for collecting signal intelligence and code decryption."
 
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Noobtastic

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So now Lebanon answers to Hezbollah?

Good.

When Lebanon 3 comes along let's hope the IAF expands their bombing patterns to non-Shia areas.

Last war the IDF concerned the Lebanese army and people separate from the Hezbollah militants and populous supporters. 90% of all bombings took place in Shia-dominated areas (99% of Shias support Hezbollah, opposed to the general 25% of Lebanon's population.)

Better yet...go after Damascus.
 

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So now Lebanon answers to Hezbollah?

Good.

When Lebanon 3 comes along let's hope the IAF expands their bombing patterns to non-Shia areas.

Last war the IDF concerned the Lebanese army and people separate from the Hezbollah militants and populous supporters. 90% of all bombings took place in Shia-dominated areas (99% of Shias support Hezbollah, opposed to the general 25% of Lebanon's population.)

Better yet...go after Damascus.

I'm so relieved to learn that Israel bases their bombing strategies on the religious background of the area's civilians.

I'm also very glad that no Christians were caught in the mix.
 

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I'm so relieved to learn that Israel bases their bombing strategies on the religious background of the area's civilians.

I'm also very glad that no Christians were caught in the mix.

Collective punishment. Interesting sig you have. IHV's post contradicts what's in your sig.
 

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Yawn......
This story is such old news - from many months ago.
Remanufactured to heap it onto the bandwagon.
The fact is - Israelis are more than comfortable with all aspects of the performance of its various intelligence branches in particular and the IDF in general - what certain individuals in the European media and public rant about is for European entertainment alone.

I am skeptical of the large numbers of arrested spies. It seems like many were low level operatives or were framed as agents to settle political scores, especially the army general.

Israel was successful dealing with Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in Gaza. Sheikh Nasralah admitted he would not have launched the rockets if he new the Israeli response. Israel did not do as well as they hoped, but did much better than was admitted with the proof being a significant drop in rocket attacks.

The Dubai assassination was successful because the target is dead. America assassinates people all the time with drone missiles. There are few complaints now that Obama is doing it and more than Bush.

Modern war crimes are victor's justice and a mirage to be used for political advantage. War is brutal and many suffer, but that is the fault of their leaders. Crimes against humanity should be reserved for truly heinous actions and deliberately targeting the innocent. It does not apply when Hamas and the Taliban hide among civilians.


As someone who has lived in Israel , these kind of reports from the Arab world are nothing new. If we took everything the Arab media said as true then Egypt would have conquered Tel Aviv several days into the Six Day War, when they lost the entire Sinai Peninsula in several days, and Shin Bet (The Israeli equivalent of the FBI) would have no foothold in Gaza or the West Bank because newly discovered "collaborators" are killed on an almost monthly basis.

Fortunately, none of this is true and I have reason to believe that this may not be either. I am a bit surprised by the Economist's lack of objectivity concerning this matter. Regardless, we may never know for sure. The dark world of Intelligence services, especially in the Middle East, is so secret that I almost feel main stream media reporters should be required to put a disclaimer before all such reports: "This following story is impossible to verify, it may very well be false, and we honestly do not know what we are talking about but feel the need to report on it anyway."

Chag Sameach and Happy Purim to you all, whether you like my country or not!
 

Noobtastic

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I'm so relieved to learn that Israel bases their bombing strategies on the religious background of the area's civilians.

I'm also very glad that no Christians were caught in the mix.

You're still here?

Israel's bombing patterns were based on military objective. Hezbollah is a shia terrorist movement, so naturally it operates in heavily shia areas.

thus, 90+% of all bombings were targeting shia-based areas.

we call this discriminate warfare, and this was based on the assumption that the lebanese army and non-shia residents were independent of Hezbollah's war.

However, in the next conflict - it might not be between Hezbollah and Israel, but Israel and Lebanon.

Hezbollah has moved much of its rockets to the north in non-shia areas, making it much harder to the IAF to hit, more likely to incur civilian casualties, and planes more vulnerable to AA weapons.

but of course, I'm sure you don't expect Hezbollah to protect the lives of its citizens. So much easier to blow them up so the left will blame Israel, eh?

what's it like being a terrorist flag-waver? feel's pretty good right?

gonna kill some jews?
 

Narmer

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Yawn......
This story is such old news - from many months ago.
Remanufactured to heap it onto the bandwagon.
The fact is - Israelis are more than comfortable with all aspects of the performance of its various intelligence branches in particular and the IDF in general - what certain individuals in the European media and public rant about is for European entertainment alone.

I am skeptical of the large numbers of arrested spies. It seems like many were low level operatives or were framed as agents to settle political scores, especially the army general.

Israel was successful dealing with Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in Gaza. Sheikh Nasralah admitted he would not have launched the rockets if he new the Israeli response. Israel did not do as well as they hoped, but did much better than was admitted with the proof being a significant drop in rocket attacks.

The Dubai assassination was successful because the target is dead. America assassinates people all the time with drone missiles. There are few complaints now that Obama is doing it and more than Bush.

Modern war crimes are victor's justice and a mirage to be used for political advantage. War is brutal and many suffer, but that is the fault of their leaders. Crimes against humanity should be reserved for truly heinous actions and deliberately targeting the innocent. It does not apply when Hamas and the Taliban hide among civilians.


As someone who has lived in Israel , these kind of reports from the Arab world are nothing new. If we took everything the Arab media said as true then Egypt would have conquered Tel Aviv several days into the Six Day War, when they lost the entire Sinai Peninsula in several days, and Shin Bet (The Israeli equivalent of the FBI) would have no foothold in Gaza or the West Bank because newly discovered "collaborators" are killed on an almost monthly basis.

Fortunately, none of this is true and I have reason to believe that this may not be either. I am a bit surprised by the Economist's lack of objectivity concerning this matter. Regardless, we may never know for sure. The dark world of Intelligence services, especially in the Middle East, is so secret that I almost feel main stream media reporters should be required to put a disclaimer before all such reports: "This following story is impossible to verify, it may very well be false, and we honestly do not know what we are talking about but feel the need to report on it anyway."

Chag Sameach and Happy Purim to you all, whether you like my country or not!

uh huh.
 

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So now Lebanon answers to Hezbollah?
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No, Compatriots. Hez and Hammy are just front groups, shock troops in the lessor Jihad comprising the whole of Muslim nations. Nothing new. Follow the money. The training. The suicide bomber payments. The UN votes. The rhetoric on TV.

After getting a final ass whooping in 1973 the Islamic nations realized they could not wipe Israel off the map militarily and had no Western Support so they redefined the conflict from little Israel getting picked on my huge Muslim nations to huge Israel picking on little Palestinians and Lebanese Muslims to appeal to our underdog worship. But the actors never changed, it's still all intent on whipping Israel off the map.

The redefining the conflict for Western Consumption appears to be working in France hense the aid, works in about half of USA as you can see by the fools we have in here, hell it even works in Israel by the fools they got there living with Stockholm syndrome.
 
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Noobtastic

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No, Compatriots. Hez and Hammy are just front groups, shock troops in the lessor Jihad comprising the whole of Muslim nations. Nothing new. Follow the money. The training. The suicide bomber payments. The UN votes. The rhetoric on TV.

After getting a final ass whooping in 1973 the Islamic nations realized they could not wipe Israel off the map militarily and had no Western Support so they redefined the conflict from little Israel getting picked on my huge Muslim nations to huge Israel picking on little Palestinians and Lebanese Muslims to appeal to our underdog worship. But the actors never changed, it's still all intent on whipping Israel off the map.

The redefining the conflict for Western Consumption appears to be working in France hense the aid, works in about half of USA as you can see by the fools we have in here, hell it even works in Israel by the fools they got there living with Stockholm syndrome.

I agree but it doesn't change the reality that Hezbollah is now an intricate part of the Lebanese government where it once was considered a rogue or independent entity officially speaking.

And now that Lebanon is a member of the UNSC, a future war is even more vulnerable to international involvement (i.e, premature cease-fires.)

Israel is now bordering the most powerful and well-equipped terrorist organization on the planet that has the indirect backing of the UN and full-protection from Europe and the Arab League.

Not once as the UN, Lebanon, or the USA ever sincerely condemn Lebanon for its gross relationship with Syria, or Hezbollah's epic-weapon smuggling or moving launchers into civilian-fortified areas.

Instead, the UN chief simply condemns Israel for violating Lebanon's airspace.

Notice the total lack of UNIFIL consequence.

Dealing with these terrorists is one thing, but being handicapped by the international community is absurd. Can you imagine any critic of Israel putting up with this?
 
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