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Bmw can't possible be correct in saying, "What people tend to forget is the fact that the settlers are not exactly wildly popular in Israel itself. There are true extremists among them, exhibiting all the signs and symptoms of bonafide terrorists. It's pretty clear the Israelis don't give a shit about these most fanatic of Jews. What kind of country, what kind of people ever let these settlers get started in the first place. Israel uses them as pawns in a situation which could lead to them getting slaughtered, en masse if their little game of "chicken" goes wrong. But that's how Zionism works: There's a whole panoply of Zionism's victims in Israel before you even get to Arabs or Palestinians."
From all the reports I see, the nutty Israeli settler parties are only supposed to number some 10,000, but when they supposedly drive too much of a share in Israeli politics that numbers some 5 million voters, there is a giant disconcerting problem here, because the Statistics are that there are now 280,000 Israeli settlers in the West Bank. And the only thing that explains that revolving door is that there are a constant recycling of Israelis who got their way and a endless supply of remaining 10,000 nuts who want the same.
Bottom line, there are at least 290,000 remaining Israeli nuts, that must be told, sorry Charlie, your settlements in the West Bank are illegal.
Or there is no possibility of a viable mid-east peace.
From all the reports I see, the nutty Israeli settler parties are only supposed to number some 10,000, but when they supposedly drive too much of a share in Israeli politics that numbers some 5 million voters, there is a giant disconcerting problem here, because the Statistics are that there are now 280,000 Israeli settlers in the West Bank. And the only thing that explains that revolving door is that there are a constant recycling of Israelis who got their way and a endless supply of remaining 10,000 nuts who want the same.
Bottom line, there are at least 290,000 remaining Israeli nuts, that must be told, sorry Charlie, your settlements in the West Bank are illegal.
Or there is no possibility of a viable mid-east peace.
kylebisme
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You can't claim the truce was broken by rockets fired by organisations other than Hamas without first proving that the terms of the truce required Hamas to stop other organisations from firing rockets. Well of course you can, but only because you are a compulsive liar.
Did you cut off your last statement part way through? I'm at a loss as to what to make of it.
Anyway, I get the impression that in you imagination Israeli solders stay confined to military zones within Israel and Palestinian militants have guidance systems on their rockets which they set to direct them away from those military zones and towards civilian targets. Is that how you have conceptualised your argument here?
I am not rightly a liberal, but were we holding Mexico under military occupation while colonizing their homeland out from under them and killing off whoever gets in the way, I'd call us murderous psychos for that too, regardless of how many nightclubs or whatever Mexicans blew up. Also I don't recall Palestinians ever attacking a wedding or a funeral, perhaps for the wedding you were thinking of the one we massacred over in Iraq?
EXman
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huh? wth does that mean. Did your IQ just drop or do you believe that 9/11 was conducted by Jews? We need to be FAIR to muslims in respect of Israel? C'mon.
Israel is our Friend. Obama has stated that there is no more sacred bond between our two nations.
Israel = Democratic Friend.
Muslim controlled countries around Israel = Not to friendly to the U.S. Sometimes their people take over our embassies, bomb us or hijack Airplanes and fly them into things. They also stone people, cut thier heads off and suppress women.
Why does Fair have to be in the equation? Is it Fair for Israel to exsist? Yes. Is it fair they have to spend a huge chunk of GDP on defense or they will be wiped off the map? No but that is reality.
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The Palestinian rockets are unguided.
They are a point and shoot - no targetting orguidance capability.
The range of the rockets and the trajectory path is planned for the civilian areas.
Now this may mean that they do not have thecapability to target the military bases.
The Israelis have munitions that are launched/dropped via computer targetting.
Both you, Phokus, kyle and Craig continually accuse me of lying - this has started to happen when I am able to provide factual evidence/articles that do not jibe with your views.
What knowledge do either of you have of munitions; urban warfare and/or first hand observations of the conflict?
The Palestinian militants are not tne innocent angels that you want to believe - they have one aim - the destruction of Israel using any terror and proganda method that will work.
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There seems to be alack of reading comprehension.
There have been no published terms of the truce that I have seen.
One of the Hamas supporters here claims to have provided a summary - I do not recall seeing it.
Israel would not have agreed to a truce if it states that only Hamas would stop the attacks.
Just like Hamas would not have agreed if the truce states that the IDF would not attack.
the first statement allows the loophole that Hamas and supporters are using.
the second allows the Mossad and settlers to take action without comprimising the truce.
Neither would have been acceptable to the other side.
If the truce stated to STOP the attacks - then they did not stop. They were reduced.
and 4 months later when Israel went after a tunnel being used by Hamas to attack/capture Israeli soldiers.
One Hamas gunman was initially killed.
Hamas retaliated with an escalation (disproportionatly accord to the rules that people want to apply to Israel).
Israel then responded killing 5 (probably those firing the mortars)
Hamas again retaliated with an escalation (disproportionatly accord to the rules that people want to apply to Israel).
when Hamas kills one Israeli people get all upset when Israel attacks (disproportionatly )
when Hamas launches munitions because of one Hamas gunman killed then it is acceptable.
Proof that a double standard exists
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I can provide you with as much factual information on civilian deaths amongst Palestinians as you require. Do you really need me to fill up twenty pages of the forum with links?
Nobody has stated that Palestinian militants are angels, but why are you trying to present Israel as the "good guy"? This is not the case. Each side contains its fair share of fanatics and bigots. You focus on the Palestinian fanatics whilst consistently failing to address the atrocities of Israel.
I have all the knowledge of urban warfare that I will ever need, given that, in my lifetime, more than 3000 people were killed in my country, the majority in my city.
I have visited this area of the world.
The solution does not, as you seem to believe, involve assigning more blame to one particular group: the Israelis and the Palestinians are equally to blame and deserve our sternest criticism for placing other interests before the resolution of this conflict. Many lives could have been saved.
No piece of dirt is worth a single human life: we are all merely leasees rather than title-holders.
When you find the intellectual foresight to refrain from acting as an apologist for one particular side, let me know.
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We must all understand that terrorism is often the politics of the powerless. And before the breakup of the British Palestinian mandate, the jews were using terrorism better than anyone else in the region.
And if we gave the Palestinians that tanks and the planes we give Israel, I am sure they would be willing to fight "fair", but they fight with the limited cards they are given, and the alternative is to meekly accept having every bit of their land stolen from them. As it is Fatah is unlikely to last in ruling the West Bank if they do not do anything to stop continual Israeli settlement.
Its no accident that Israel has that many terrorists targeting them, when it comes to those hatreds, Israel has done everything to truly earn those hatreds. And after 61 years, its time to realize, that the harder Israel tries to repress it,
the more futile it becomes.
Sadly, unless those hatreds are defused on all sides, its all too likely some terrorist groups will get a hold of longer range rockets, arm them with deadly chemical and biological weapons, and that will be the end of the Israeli question.
And instead of sharing Israel, no one will have it because the land will be uninhabitable.
And if we gave the Palestinians that tanks and the planes we give Israel, I am sure they would be willing to fight "fair", but they fight with the limited cards they are given, and the alternative is to meekly accept having every bit of their land stolen from them. As it is Fatah is unlikely to last in ruling the West Bank if they do not do anything to stop continual Israeli settlement.
Its no accident that Israel has that many terrorists targeting them, when it comes to those hatreds, Israel has done everything to truly earn those hatreds. And after 61 years, its time to realize, that the harder Israel tries to repress it,
the more futile it becomes.
Sadly, unless those hatreds are defused on all sides, its all too likely some terrorist groups will get a hold of longer range rockets, arm them with deadly chemical and biological weapons, and that will be the end of the Israeli question.
And instead of sharing Israel, no one will have it because the land will be uninhabitable.
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Now you are talking neutral and have my respect for such.
Both sides are to blame and neither deserves the high road.
exactly, Israel hates the Palestinians as much as the Palestinians hate Israel. but we are always on the side of Israel.
just last week, Israel citizens burned down crops so the Palestinians would have nothing to eat.
if it wasn't for religion, this stupid crap would not me happening.
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When you can provide the actual verbiage of the truce; it can be evaluated and one of us can admit to being incorrect.
I can only go on what was reported in the media and what I feel is the way the truce signers would evaluate verbiage that has loopholes written into it that void the publicized intent of the truce.
kylebisme
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Rather, even if your claim that the truce required Hamas to stop other organizations from firing rockets were true, I'm still correct in pointing out that you have not presented any evidence to support that claim. Your ongoing attempts to stand by that claim even while admitting you your inability to prove it is only further demonstrating of the depths of your dishonesty here. Is there no end to it?
kylebisme
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