I want to notice something... if it weren't for Iran, Hamas could be controlled. It's Iran which made them really strong. Take down Iran, and then... Hamas could weaken again.
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pauldun170
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Reminder of why Trump pushed for a ceasefire.
Israel struck Qatar.
Reason why that matters.
www.newsweek.com
Trump is using the presidency to serve Trump.
Israel struck Qatar.
Reason why that matters.
Trump family's business ties to the Middle East explained
As President Trump is set to head to the Middle East tomorrow, here is a look at some of his family's ties to the region.
www.newsweek.com
Trump is using the presidency to serve Trump.
Brovane
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Reminder of why Trump pushed for a ceasefire.
Israel struck Qatar.
Reason why that matters.
Trump family's business ties to the Middle East explained
As President Trump is set to head to the Middle East tomorrow, here is a look at some of his family's ties to the region.
Trump is using the presidency to serve Trump.
A lot more people than just Trump benefit from a ceasefire.
A Coordinated Squeeze Forced Hamas to Accept a Deal It Didn’t Want
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biostud
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in news shocking to no one that has been following this
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All you MAGAts so quick to give Trump a Peace Prize of the so called peace agreement. First of all it was only a cease fire. Now Israel has violated that. Bibi played Trump for a fool
www.independent.co.uk
Fears for fragile Gaza ceasefire after seven Palestinians killed and aid cut off
Hamas has also been filmed carrying out public executions of men accused of ‘collaborating’ with Israeli forces
www.independent.co.uk
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Optics, schmoptics...
www.bbc.co.uk
Prioritising the dead over the living is not a good look for Israel.
Hostage families confirm identities of three of four bodies handed over by Hamas
Hamas has yet to return 21 hostages' bodies as agreed under a ceasefire deal brokered by the US.
www.bbc.co.uk
Prioritising the dead over the living is not a good look for Israel.
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Yes, but Trump only cares about his business dealings.
The "peace deal" was not a peace a deal.
It was an ultimatum on an unconditional surrender.
Given Israels backing of rival gangs and the current civil war underway, the insurance policy seems pretty tight that the immediate objective of releasing hostages to lighten the pressure on Netenyahu will be the only thing that occurs here.
Once "further incidents occur" (following Hamas restoring power on the streets and the killing of palestinians earlier today by Israel "for reasons") there is a very strong chance that the operation to annex the territory will continue as planned.
The release of the hostages was the PR win needed for Netanyahu, Trump is satisfied in that he can take credit and now that he can now use this to get the backing from Arab states to fund his real estate and and crypto n onsense everyone can now temporarily focus on another shiny object.
Hamas is setup to fail and they are being run by crayon eating idiots at this point.
The ground work has already been set for a civil war and Hamas members are being targeted by multiple factions, some of which are working with idf.
In this environment, disarmament is impossible so the "peace plan" is designed to fail. When Hamas dies out, their replacement is already queued up.
They've already used these groups for all sorts of fuckery.
The chances of "peace" are negligible as.
The west bank situation is escalating and the root cause of unrest amongst palestinians still exists.
This is a play to create temporary political wins and to get additional leverage on business dealings that benefit 5-10 powerful families.
The small win here is that hostages are home.
Israelis knew this when signing on to Trumps plan. Their loophole to resume the genocide. The intensive bombing of Gaza where many of the dead hostages bodies are likely under rubble or collapsed tunnels could take weeks or months to recover if at all.Optics, schmoptics...
Hostage families confirm identities of three of four bodies handed over by Hamas
Hamas has yet to return 21 hostages' bodies as agreed under a ceasefire deal brokered by the US.
Prioritising the dead over the living is not a good look for Israel.
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What part of the deal is that? The living hostages have all been released which was the crux of it. You mean the part of the deal that is virtually impossible to uphold yet was signed under tremendous pressure? Where the dead ones are under tons of rubble or collapsed tunnels or mangled by Israeli bombs yet are all supposed to be magically retrieved within a week or two?
Thats sounds like the typical Zionist argument designed to reel in the stupidest of ppl to their side. And where there own violations are ignored.
Actually is possible to uphold that part, but Hamas should give up and tell where might be the corpses of the fallen ones. The issue? It implies to show up all their tunnels and well, they don't want to do that.
And yeah, this hurts a lot since civilians are affected because of Hamas.
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So,
Hamas had a cohesive leadership structure over the course of 2 years and maintained control over all its assets despite (checks notes) having vast majority of leadership multiple levels deep assasinated (as well as their replacements and also their replacements replacements, having majority of it facilities and territories "flattened", having all command and control decimated, experienced fighters vaporized and left with high turnover rates all why being attacked by about a dozen competing factions several of which who worked with Israel.
They are supposed to not only keep track of dead bodies but also relocate them ahead of having Israeli bombardment.
Thats your assumption?
( Checks current state of gaza strip)
Quite impressive if you are correct.
The leaders are alive in Qatar and they have tons of tunnels, they at least have an idea where the corpses could be.
Also, how the hell they manages to pull 7 000 people from nowhere if they are decimated?
And finally... seeing that the IRGC didn't got decimated, Hamas still will get help.
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People a thousand miles away are going to have specific knowledge where certain other people were when they died?
That's not how a bombing campaign to decimate and demolish an entire city works. A lot of those who knew, are probably dead along side them.
But of course this ask was not reasonable. As Israel has no intention of upholding a ceasefire.
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that narrative is not being followed by the state department
The US denies that Hamas is violating the ceasefire deal with Israel, insisting that a dragged out process to return the bodies of hostages held in Gaza was expected, given the difficult conditions on the ground.
“We’ve heard a lot of people saying, ‘Hamas violated the deal, because not all the bodies have been returned.’ The understanding we had with them was we get all the live hostages out, which they did honor that,” says a senior adviser to US President Donald Trump during a briefing with reporters.
/israel will never live up to the terms they agreed to
this whole line of questioning about the bodies is hasbara bullshit
The US denies that Hamas is violating the ceasefire deal with Israel, insisting that a dragged out process to return the bodies of hostages held in Gaza was expected, given the difficult conditions on the ground.
“We’ve heard a lot of people saying, ‘Hamas violated the deal, because not all the bodies have been returned.’ The understanding we had with them was we get all the live hostages out, which they did honor that,” says a senior adviser to US President Donald Trump during a briefing with reporters.
/israel will never live up to the terms they agreed to
this whole line of questioning about the bodies is hasbara bullshit
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Corpses lack the ability to evade potential dangers (such as airstrikes by a force that totally has the best interests of hostages at heart). Therefore, quoting the Joker, a corpse "may be in one place or several".
Trained personnel stand somewhat more of a chance than corpses.
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On the topic of hostages that have survived Israel's carpet bombing campaigns for about two years, unless these people have been chugging some serious copium, I'm wondering whether their experiences could be extremely damaging to Israel's narrative inside their own country, because surely as a hostage when you hear and see bombs exploding nearby, how can you possibly still believe your own side gives a shit about your safety?
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