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Israel: We Are At War

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dullard said:
Shhh...don't tell anyone that our bunker busters went no where near the ~300 feet deep needed just to get to the top corridors. We would never want the world to know both that we failed and that our most powerful bunker busters don't do much.

Photo AFTER the bunker buster:
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We'd need many, many more than what we have to get deep enough.
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Im just hoping the Iranians dont find out about our spare bunker busters.

They might give us two weeks or just launch a preemptive strike on the underground storage site hidden below Walmart.

Intelligence suggests we are enriching them for extra bunker busting powa. 💣
 
Josh128 said:
Amazing that you have better info than the US and Israeli intelligence and military combined! How is that possible?
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Like @brycejones posted, the 300 ft necessary for the main corridors was public knowledge. Heck, here is an article from several days before the attack. https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/17/middleeast/iran-fordow-nuclear-site-latam-hnk-intl "Its main halls are an estimated 80 to 90 meters (around 262 to 295 feet) beneath the ground"

Or there is this even earlier article, that puts them up to 360 feet below ground. https://www.csis.org/analysis/three-things-will-determine-irans-nuclear-future-fordow-just-one-them "Fordow is believed to be buried 80–110 meters underground, near Qom, and was built to withstand airstrikes."

Here is an article from 3.5 years ago: https://apnews.com/article/europe-m...iran-nuclear-dd40e4a610c2f35aff25353bbcf3a91c "But burying the facility under some 80 meters (260 feet) of dirt and rock while not informing international inspectors as required only heightened Western concerns."

Basically, to answer your question, how do I have better info? For starters, I can read.

Then, according to my Persian coworkers, triple that depth for the deepest corridors. Take their comments with a grain of salt though, since that could very well be internal Iranian TV propaganda.
 
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dullard said:
Then, according to my Persian coworkers, triple that depth for the deepest corridors. Take their comments with a grain of salt though, since that could very well be internal Iranian TV propaganda.
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idk... I could easily believe that it is true. The plans for the complex was leaked some time ago. Iran knew that the plans was leaked and they knew the capability of the American bunker busters. Why wouldn't they dig deeper?
 
Josh128 said:
Amazing that you have better info than the US and Israeli intelligence and military combined! How is that possible?
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Well you're right on this one.

The US actually had this intelligence that the bombs barely scratched the surface.

Government just chose to not tell you.
Now it leaked. So. There. You were wrong.
 
K1052 said:
Smaller ones have been used a bunch of times. Never the GBU-57 though.
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Tangentially, had me looking up how these things compare with the "Grand slams" and "tall boys" I remember reading about in history books about WW2. Seems these are supposed to be significantly more effective than even those things (intended to hit submarine pens and the like) were - better at penetrating concrete, apparently. But I suppose if you build a bigger bomb, the world will build deeper bunkers?
 
pmv said:
Tangentially, had me looking up how these things compare with the "Grand slams" and "tall boys" I remember reading about in history books about WW2. Seems these are supposed to be significantly more effective than even those things (intended to hit submarine pens and the like) were - better at penetrating concrete, apparently. But I suppose if you build a bigger bomb, the world will build deeper bunkers?
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Yeah and there is just an upper limit to how large of a bomb you can cram into the B-2.
 
mikeymikec said:
Did anyone else notice how this thread seamlessly shifted to Israel's unprovoked war on Iran? I am also impressed by @Zor Prime 's foresight when picking the thread title which scales nicely with Israel's desire for unending destruction.
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I mean if you are nearby Israel and watching this even if you are not exactly an adversary you are sure having some thoughts right now. Like "I need atomic weapons" kind of thoughts.
 
K1052 said:
I mean if you are nearby Israel and watching this even if you are not exactly an adversary you are sure having some thoughts right now. Like "I need atomic weapons" kind of thoughts.
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Given the last 25 years of the world, I'm sure this thought has gone through many countries' minds. Countries with nuclear weapons don't get invaded (ie, Pakistan, North Korea) whereas those without could face invasion (ie, Georgia, Ukraine, Iraq)
 
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Brainonska511 said:
Given the last 25 years of the world, I'm sure this thought has gone through many countries' minds. Countries with nuclear weapons don't get invaded (ie, Pakistan, North Korea) whereas those without could face invasion (ie, Georgia, Ukraine, Iraq)
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As the only real guarantee of sovereignty they are real hard to beat.
 
Brainonska511 said:
Given the last 25 years of the world, I'm sure this thought has gone through many countries' minds. Countries with nuclear weapons don't get invaded (ie, Pakistan, North Korea) whereas those without could face invasion (ie, Georgia, Ukraine, Iraq)
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Or be in a trustworthy alliance like NATO used to be.
 
Woke, marxist, libtard news organization NPR, who totally hates Trump and America GREATNESS published an evil and dishonest story that used an unproven concept called “math” such an old fashioned word, even older than groceries, so out dated, to lie about how great our full payload of BOMBS are, totally the best BOMBS, soldiers came to me with tears in their eyes and said “sir thank you for the bigger bombs, under Biden and Obama we only had weak sissy rubber bombs that didn’t explode”.


TLDR: depending on geology and the type of rock the MOP may only reach a depth of 8 meters and changes in the geology could deflect and absorb the shock waves.
 
brycejones said:
Woke, marxist, libtard news organization NPR, who totally hates Trump and America GREATNESS published an evil and dishonest story that used an unproven concept called “math” such an old fashioned word, even older than groceries, so out dated, to lie about how great our full payload of BOMBS are, totally the best BOMBS, soldiers came to me with tears in their eyes and said “sir thank you for the bigger bombs, under Biden and Obama we only had weak sissy rubber bombs that didn’t explode”.


TLDR: depending on geology and the type of rock the MOP may only reach a depth of 8 meters and changes in the geology could deflect and absorb the shock waves.
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So... this is not only a failure but even the Israeli attacks did more damage than the US ones?
 
Josh128 said:
Amazing that you have better info than the US and Israeli intelligence and military combined! How is that possible?
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Amazing you have Trust in Bibi who lied to the world multiple times about the same thing. (Iran weeks from a bomb)

Amazing you trust Trump who openly admitted he didn't care our own intel said Iran possessing a bomb was NOT imminent.
 
Heartbreaker said:
Or be in a trustworthy alliance like NATO used to be.
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Um, what NATO member(s) has/have been invaded since this implied weakening of this greatest alliance in history? Granted Trump's respect for NATO (or anything or anybody other than the dictators he wants to be chummy with) stinks but I don't know that Article 5 has been violated.

AI:

You are right that while the former President's statements regarding NATO, particularly concerning the commitment to mutual defense outlined in Article 5, have caused concern among some allies, there has been no violation of NATO's Article 5 itself
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IIRC, Article 5 binds all members. If the US doesn't honor it, other members presumably will. Russia's invasion of Ukraine backfired, if they invade a NATO member, they are even more seriously up shit's creek.
 
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FelixDeCat said:
If it were not for Trump, you would be speaking Iranian. I think you owe him some gratitude.
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You mean Persian/Farsi? Having just looked it up, am interested to find that Persian-speakers are spread not only into Afghanistan and the other "stans", but even as far as a small region of China. Also, Persian speakers are present in a lot of countries, including the US.
 
pmv said:
You mean Persian/Farsi? Having just looked it up, am interested to find that Persian-speakers are spread not only into Afghanistan and the other "stans", but even as far as a small region of China. Also, Persian speakers are present in a lot of countries, including the US.
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The only threat I faced from Iranians was that they are going to feed me too much delectable Persian food.
 
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