Israel: We Are At War

[Brainonska511]

Congress (and the US by extension) hasn't officially declared war since World War II. The Iraq War, the War on Terror, the Vietnam War, the Korean War, and all those other conflicts were never official declarations.

Those conflicts had congressional authorization directly or through other existing statutes. It doesn't matter that they weren't a "declaration of war" - Congress still weighed in and provided the authorization.

Are you saying any military strike ordered by POTUS needs a congressional Declaration of war or just a Authorization for Use of Military Force?

Congressional authorization is required to use force that is not already authorized by statute (eg, treaty obligation) or imminent threat.

 

[Josh128]

Iran didnt just warn Qatar, they gave Trump a heads up. Trump really doesnt want a war I think, but he just doesnt know how to stop Netanyahu.

 

[K1052]

My only question at this point is how soon the Israelis get frustrated they can't actually get anything meaningful done since the Iranians won't say uncle before they start trying to punish the regime by punishing the population. I give it a week or less.

 

[K1052]

Trump says there will be a 12 hour ceasefire in 6 hours between Israel and Iran?

Ok.

 

[Brovane]

Congressional authorization is required to use force that is not already authorized by statute (eg, treaty obligation) or imminent threat.

Obama conducted air strikes in 2011 against Libya without congressional authorization.

In practice the Executive branch has operated as if they are able to conduct a military operation up to 3-months in duration to protect a set of broadly defined national interests without any authorization by the Legislative branch.

 

[KMFJD]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1937271294166257829

wth?

 

[K1052]

Prolly wait for the actually warring parties to confirm this. Iranians pushing back from the table would make sense, they've gotten a pretty good shellacking but not one that ultimately changes their current strategic picture.

 

[IronWing]

Obama conducted air strikes in 2011 against Libya without congressional authorization.

In practice the Executive branch has operated as if they are able to conduct a military operation up to 3-months in duration to protect a set of broadly defined national interests without any authorization by the Legislative branch.

Which is unconstitutional.

 

[uclaLabrat]

Lol

NYT:
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And if he was still there, his spin would've been completely different. He spewed whatever lies he was paid to, and when he got too big for his britches he was shitcanned like their mistress's abortions.

He's an amoral jizzstain.

 

[Brovane]

Which is unconstitutional.

Has SCOTUS ruled it unconstitutional? If not then that is just your opinion.

 

[K1052]

So to recap:

We have no idea where the Iranian HEU stockpile is.
We have no idea what purity the Iranian HEU stockpile is.
We do not know if their main enrichment facility is actually knocked out.
We do not know if the regime is operating clandestine enrichment facilities.
We do not know if the regime is now constituting the required follow on steps towards weaponization.

Total MAGA victory!

 

[Brainonska511]

Has SCOTUS ruled it unconstitutional? If not then that is just your opinion.

SCOTUS aren't some magical group. They're a bunch of politicians who say shit, sometimes things that are good, sometimes (and usually lately) things that are bad.

Just because they say something is constitutional doesn't mean we have to accept it. The Constitution isn't a sacred document only interpretable by people in funny clothes. It's a document that is written plainly that many can understand.

 

[K1052]

Iran denies receiving any ceasefire proposal...

 

[Racan]

What a fucking retard 🤦‍♂️

 

[iRONic]

No ” thank you for your attention to this matter” statement at the end?!?!

Fake news

 

[K1052]

Neither the Israeli or Iranian government has confirmed Trump’s statement.

 

[HomerJS]

Not that I agree with the airstrikes, but it's cute to keep repeating that. Presidents for decades have ordered military attacks, without Congressional approval. Even if Dems controlled Congress, which they don't, there's almost nothing they can do about it. If Trump is ever dumb enough to put boots in Iran, then maybe he'll ask Congress for its agreement (not for permission).

https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/23/politics/trump-iran-legal-constitutional-article-1-article-2

What attack did Obama carry out with the criteria spelled out in the War Powers Act. Just give me one.

If Trump puts boots on the ground Congress can refuse to fund it.

 

[K1052]

Neither the Israeli or Iranian government has confirmed Trump’s statement.

Now maybe on via Qatar as an intermediary. No word yet on Israeli acceptance.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Has SCOTUS ruled it unconstitutional? If not then that is just your opinion.

SCOTUS doesn't decide what is/isn't unconstitutional, the Constitution does. They mediate and decide conflicts, but this isn't in conflict.

 

[HomerJS]

Obama conducted air strikes in 2011 against Libya without congressional authorization.

In practice the Executive branch has operated as if they are able to conduct a military operation up to 3-months in duration to protect a set of broadly defined national interests without any authorization by the Legislative branch.

That was a UN authorized action to which we are a signatory.

 

[HomerJS]

Iran denies receiving any ceasefire proposal...

Trump lied again. Lies more reliable than sunrise.

 

[Roger Wilco]

nm, Bibi confirms the ceasefire

 

[Roger Wilco]

What’s up in Baghdad?

 

[Greenman]

Trump lied again. Lies more reliable than sunrise.

You were right for three minutes.

 

[K1052]

Yes hello I would like to bet my life savings against this.