Zorba
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Yeah, because if Cuba just killed a bunch of our generals in Haiti, we should have no response. Why is Israel allowed to defend itself but Iran isn't?
I’ve said this before but let’s say Ireland terrorists bombs Britain. They retaliate killing many innocents. US and other commonwealth allies are supposed to stop supporting Britain? Unfortunately long term allies sometimes has to excuse bad acts.
But with this being said, Israel is wealthy enough. No need to provide weapons. Only provide humanitarian aid.
It depends on how many innocents they kill and what supporting Britian means for the US. Other than that we would be basically outsourcing our country's military to a smaller country because of an "alliance". Sorry, if Israel chooses to make its decisions by itself it can deal with the consequences by itself as well.
I am not an Israeli citizen. I don't have say over who runs their country. So why should whether American children live or die be predicated on decisions of the people Israelis elect, esp. when they are counter to the wishes of the people we elect
Those are terrible reasons to support a state that does those kind of things but the salient point for me is that it is for a state created as a home for a religion.
What the world surely needs is thousands more of those. It’s only fair and the only logical way to make sure everybody gets the same deal. Heck, the US could easily accommodate 50 new religious nations right here.
Without Israel how are you going to have Armageddon? We gotta have that.
Jaskalas
Lifer
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Go on. Explain what Iran is doing with military commanders on Israel's doorstep.
Delivering flowers?
What alternative narrative could you possibly fake?
I thought the issue wasn't about a doorstep but an embassy. I get to bomb one of those if it's down the street?
Syria and Iran are strategic allies! They have massive interests in regional affairs and both need each other to ensure they are not undermined by their adversaries in the region. They have seen the US go to war on Iraq (on Israels prodding) and want to keep Syria (one of their few remaining allies) propped up and not fall out of their sphere of influence. Syria and Iran are under greater threat from Israel and the US than the other way around! Attack them and they will attack back, like any other nation on the planet (with the means to do so) would.
Israel was in flagrant violation of the UN charter and international law when it attcked Irans consolate. Its basically an ACT OF WAR for any other soverign nation! You can not have one set of laws and rules for some while not applying to others. This will ultimately lead to a break down of international order.
And understand that rational thinkers in the US are pretty fucking upset at Israels actions. US interests have been SEVERELY underminded by Israel over so many deacdes and even more so now! The US is not siding with Israel because its an "ally", they are siding with it because of tremendous political pressures from Zionist lobby groups that are basically calling the shots on US foreign policy. If not for that Israel would be a pariah state!
Who remembers when Israel attacked and destroyed Iraqs Osirak nuclear reactor in 1981?
Who remembers the UN Security Council resolution passed in response to that attack?
Who remembers that that resolution was UNANIMOUSLY adopted including by the US, UK, France in CONDEMNING Israel for that attack?
The Reagan admin back then had the balls and moral scruples that over-rode any Zio-lobbying attempts on the matter.
Exerpts from UNSC resolution 487:
... Considering that, under the terms of Article 2, paragraph 4, of the Charter of the United Nations: "All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations",
1. Strongly condemns the military attack by Israel in clear violation of the Charter of the United Nations and the norms of international conduct;
2. Calls upon Israel to refrain in the future from any such acts or threats thereof;
3. Further considers that the said attack constitutes a serious threat to the entire IAEA safeguards regime which is the foundation of the non-proliferation Treaty;
4. Fully recognises the inalienable sovereign right of Iraq, and all other States, especially the developing countries, to establish programmes of technological and nuclear development to develop their economy and industry for peaceful purposes in accordance with their present and future needs and consistent with the internationally accepted objectives of preventing nuclear-weapons proliferation;
5. Calls upon Israel urgently to place its nuclear facilities under IAEA safeguards;
6. Considers that Iraq is entitled to appropriate redress for the destruction it has suffered, responsibility for which has been acknowledged by Israel;
7. Requests the Secretary-General to keep the Security Council regularly informed of the implementation of this resolution.
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The Lobby has learned from that and has become ever more entrenched in the corruption of the US political system and has spread even beyond that to the UK and other euro nations to where it would be much harder for UNSC reolutions like this to occur again.
Who remembers the UN Security Council resolution passed in response to that attack?
Who remembers that that resolution was UNANIMOUSLY adopted including by the US, UK, France in CONDEMNING Israel for that attack?
The Reagan admin back then had the balls and moral scruples that over-rode any Zio-lobbying attempts on the matter.
Exerpts from UNSC resolution 487:
... Considering that, under the terms of Article 2, paragraph 4, of the Charter of the United Nations: "All Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any State, or in any other manner inconsistent with the Purposes of the United Nations",
1. Strongly condemns the military attack by Israel in clear violation of the Charter of the United Nations and the norms of international conduct;
2. Calls upon Israel to refrain in the future from any such acts or threats thereof;
3. Further considers that the said attack constitutes a serious threat to the entire IAEA safeguards regime which is the foundation of the non-proliferation Treaty;
4. Fully recognises the inalienable sovereign right of Iraq, and all other States, especially the developing countries, to establish programmes of technological and nuclear development to develop their economy and industry for peaceful purposes in accordance with their present and future needs and consistent with the internationally accepted objectives of preventing nuclear-weapons proliferation;
5. Calls upon Israel urgently to place its nuclear facilities under IAEA safeguards;
6. Considers that Iraq is entitled to appropriate redress for the destruction it has suffered, responsibility for which has been acknowledged by Israel;
7. Requests the Secretary-General to keep the Security Council regularly informed of the implementation of this resolution.
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The Lobby has learned from that and has become ever more entrenched in the corruption of the US political system and has spread even beyond that to the UK and other euro nations to where it would be much harder for UNSC reolutions like this to occur again.
Jaskalas
Lifer
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I believe it is more escalatory for Iran to keep crossing such a distance, compared to Israel cleaning them up after they cross.
To that end, I would not be surprised if the distance to Iran plays a pivotal role in staying Israel's hand in retaliation. Due to political and logistical limitations, their security may be best served staying focused on Iranian proxies closer to home.
Iran struck military target it seems and some of the missiles used were hypersonic I believe, and they did get through. This is big because this should let Israel know to show some restraint, especially against people who can fight back. We know the Palestinians, who cannot fight back and are at the mercy of Israel, are victims of Israeli genocide but Israel apparently behaves like this towards all its neighbors and others. Hope this is a learning lesson for Israel.
Also, this attack by Iran is painful for Israel as it has used up many of its missile defense missiles at a very high cost. Maybe up to $1 billion and more in missiles were used by Israel and US taxpayers while Iran probably used a fraction of that amount.
Israel and their usual propaganda releases this video:
t.me
Getting reports that Israel is going to attack Iran soon. Hope not as Iran would attack even harder next time.
Also, this attack by Iran is painful for Israel as it has used up many of its missile defense missiles at a very high cost. Maybe up to $1 billion and more in missiles were used by Israel and US taxpayers while Iran probably used a fraction of that amount.
Israel and their usual propaganda releases this video:
Mediterranean Man
The IDF releases a video showing the damage caused by an Iranian missile in the Nevatim airbase. Huh. Would you look at that? Is that a dirt mound I see on the left that you forgot to pull out of frame to not show that you dug this up? @medmannews
t.me
Getting reports that Israel is going to attack Iran soon. Hope not as Iran would attack even harder next time.
Statement with genocidal intent noted. Similar to how Israeli and US people call for Gaza to be nuked, turned into a parking lot, etc. Shows that Israel and US have plenty of psychotic and genocidal people, though I don't think the current US regime wants to escalate too much. They might be very immoral but they know the irrationality of a war with Iran so based on that, they will choose to not escalate with Iran. The neocons and Israelis are trying very hard to escalate but from what we can see, the Biden administration wants to avoid increasing tensions.
Very interesting to see Iran getting called evil because they attacked the country committing genocide and war crimes.
I'd say Iran is standing up to evil.
LOL
Look at this Israeli propaganda:
t.me
I'd say Iran is standing up to evil.
LOL
Look at this Israeli propaganda:
White Minaret
🤔⚠️Where Israel claims Iranian bombs fell There seems to be something else at work.
t.me
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Drach
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Everything that spews out of your mouth reminds me of the last time I had explosive diarrhea.
Jaskalas
Lifer
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They materially support your Genocidal invasion in Europe.
Breaking the peace in that way, is all I need to want Iran destroyed.
Their proxy's attacks on international shipping in the Red Sea, and their repeated attacks on us and our allies is just icing on the bloody cake.
Coexistence was never an option, Orc. You know that very well when you fired the first shot.
This is not a big deal at all. Even some of Hamas's relatively simple rockets make it through, and some of Hezbollah's as well. There's never a 100% protection and Israel's rocket/missile "active" protection system isn't either. Even if 10-15 missiles made it through out of 120 ballistic missiles and 30 cruise missiles - that's not bad at all. That's why Israel also has a robust infrastructure of reinforced security rooms (required by law in every home since the early 90s) and stronger civilian underground shelters basically everywhere. Note that the system is supposedly "smart" and might let a rocket through if it can detect that it's going to fall in an uninhabited location. There's a reason that the only known casualty was a seven year old Bedouin girl.
Israel will probably make a lot more money from the sales of defense systems thanks to this demonstration. I also think that if those 130 missiles would hit their target, it would've probably cost much more than 1.5 billion USD, which is the estimates that I've heard that the defense cost.
Israel deserves to be stopped and it seems only Yemenis and Iranians are doing it. Killing 40,000 innocent people is not enough for you genocidal maniacs? You want to kill more? Kind of disgusting the US's allies are genocidal countries that the US arms and funds, such as Israel and Saudi Arabia.
To above poster, this is a big deal just as Israel attacking Iran's embassy was a big deal. Anything escalating potential war is a big deal. And to replenish these missiles takes time and money, and with Israel's economy weakened due to shipping restraints and fighting conflicts on multiple fronts, this will be painful. Of course, America can come and dump $20 billion on Israel so it can carry out more genocide, but that's another story.
These missiles came from Iran so that means Hezbollah is emboldened now. They know that Iran can respond. Don't forget the loss suffered by Israel by the hands of Hezbollah in 2006, who also have an enormous amount of advanced missiles.
If Israel cannot militarily defeat Hamas, which they clearly haven't, what makes you think they have any chance against any other group, such as Hezbollah, that are much stronger? No wonder they take out their revenge on innocent civilians.
To above poster, this is a big deal just as Israel attacking Iran's embassy was a big deal. Anything escalating potential war is a big deal. And to replenish these missiles takes time and money, and with Israel's economy weakened due to shipping restraints and fighting conflicts on multiple fronts, this will be painful. Of course, America can come and dump $20 billion on Israel so it can carry out more genocide, but that's another story.
These missiles came from Iran so that means Hezbollah is emboldened now. They know that Iran can respond. Don't forget the loss suffered by Israel by the hands of Hezbollah in 2006, who also have an enormous amount of advanced missiles.
If Israel cannot militarily defeat Hamas, which they clearly haven't, what makes you think they have any chance against any other group, such as Hezbollah, that are much stronger? No wonder they take out their revenge on innocent civilians.
Why would anyone call Iran evil?
Iran: Crackdown on Dissent Ahead of Protest Anniversary
Iranian authorities have ramped up their repression on civil society as the one-year anniversary of the death in custody of Mahsa Jina Amini and resulting nationwide protests nears.
Iran committed crimes against humanity during protest crackdown, UN says
United Nations mission finds Iranian authorities committed murder, torture, rape and other crimes in the crackdown.
Iran: New wave of brutal attacks against Baluchi protesters and worshippers
The Iranian authorities’ relentless onslaught against weekly peaceful protests by thousands of protesters and worshippers from Iran’s oppressed Baluchi minority in Zahedan, Sistan and Baluchistan province, escalated on Friday 20 October, as security forces resorted to severe beatings, unlawful...
www.amnesty.org
Iranian Society under Crackdown | Human Rights Watch
In September 2022, Iranians took to the streets to protest the death of a 22-year-old Kurdish Iranian woman in the custody of the abusive “morality police,” as well as the autocratic government’s long track record of repression and impunity. The protest movement’s leading slogan of “woman, life...
Iran and Russia Enter A New Level of Military Cooperation • Stimson Center
Moscow is in need of missiles and might be more forthcoming in response to Iran’s requests for high-tech Russian weaponry.
www.stimson.org
So let's nuke them, right? Please, Iran cannot be compared to Israel unless you are a genocide denier, which many here seem to be.
And let Israel kill more people after it already killed 40,000 or more?
Hope South Africa is taking notes, it might need to take the US to the ICJ next time. Just like Nicaragua is taking Germany.
And let Israel kill more people after it already killed 40,000 or more?
Hope South Africa is taking notes, it might need to take the US to the ICJ next time. Just like Nicaragua is taking Germany.
This is what Iran is fighting:
euromedmonitor.org
So Hamas attacked Israel from Gaza, then why are the Israelis brutalizing Palestinians in the West Bank?
The defenders of Israel need to come and defend this.
Gaza: Al-Shifa Medical Complex massacre provides proof that the Israeli army engaged in full-fledged crimes
Crimes including carrying out killings and unlawful executions of civilians and attempting to conceal evidence by burying victims’ bodies and even disfiguring them in the hospital courtyard.
So Hamas attacked Israel from Gaza, then why are the Israelis brutalizing Palestinians in the West Bank?
The defenders of Israel need to come and defend this.
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This is what Iran is fighting:
Gaza: Al-Shifa Medical Complex massacre provides proof that the Israeli army engaged in full-fledged crimes
Crimes including carrying out killings and unlawful executions of civilians and attempting to conceal evidence by burying victims’ bodies and even disfiguring them in the hospital courtyard.
Mahshahr massacre - Wikipedia
2022 Zahedan massacre - Wikipedia
This is the face of Israel. They are the "landlords" of the Middle East apparently:
Vilifying Iran won't change this.
This person has faced two genocides in this lifetime:
Iran has nothing to do with this.
Vilifying Iran won't change this.
This person has faced two genocides in this lifetime:
Iran has nothing to do with this.
There may be a case for calling Iran "evil" but nothing to do with their current entanglements with Israel nor is Israel playing any "good guy" vs some "bad guy". Its 2 bad guys vs each other.Why would anyone call Iran evil?
Iran: Crackdown on Dissent Ahead of Protest Anniversary
Iranian authorities have ramped up their repression on civil society as the one-year anniversary of the death in custody of Mahsa Jina Amini and resulting nationwide protests nears.www.hrw.org
Iran committed crimes against humanity during protest crackdown, UN says
United Nations mission finds Iranian authorities committed murder, torture, rape and other crimes in the crackdown.www.aljazeera.com
Iran: New wave of brutal attacks against Baluchi protesters and worshippers
The Iranian authorities’ relentless onslaught against weekly peaceful protests by thousands of protesters and worshippers from Iran’s oppressed Baluchi minority in Zahedan, Sistan and Baluchistan province, escalated on Friday 20 October, as security forces resorted to severe beatings, unlawful...
Iranian Society under Crackdown | Human Rights Watch
In September 2022, Iranians took to the streets to protest the death of a 22-year-old Kurdish Iranian woman in the custody of the abusive “morality police,” as well as the autocratic government’s long track record of repression and impunity. The protest movement’s leading slogan of “woman, life...
Iran and Russia Enter A New Level of Military Cooperation • Stimson Center
Moscow is in need of missiles and might be more forthcoming in response to Iran’s requests for high-tech Russian weaponry.
Nice to know you are familiar with HRW and Amnesty Intl. Therefore you are probably aware of the big elephant in the discussion thats wreaking havoc left and right and actually committing a genocide that puts them on a much worse level of bad guys in all this.
Gaza: Israel’s Imposed Starvation Deadly for Children
Children in Gaza have been dying from starvation-related complications since the Israeli government began to use starvation as a weapon of war, a war crime.
Israel: Starvation Used as Weapon of War in Gaza
The Israeli government is using starvation of civilians as a method of warfare in the occupied Gaza Strip, which is a war crime. Israeli forces are deliberately blocking the delivery of water, food, and fuel, while willfully impeding humanitarian assistance.
Israel Not Complying with World Court Order in Genocide Case
The Israeli government has failed to comply with at least one measure in the legally binding order from the International Court of Justice, in South Africa’s genocide case.
blankslate
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Remember it took near 2 years for Russia to start purposefully attacking Ukraine's power infrastructure as part of the strategy of the war.
Yes Russia invaded but acting like the history of Russia's invasion began in early 2022 ignores certain previous events just like pretending the history of the past few month's of the mass murders of civilians in Gaza ignores the years events prior to that situation.
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