Israel: We Are At War

[Muse]

The rape scenes being described are horrific. But Israeli authorities have made it very difficult with their constant lies for us to know what to believe. Any info on what took them 8 hours to mobilize their forces? Having a concert without heavy security and they thought it couldn't become a target for Hamas? They basically let it happen. It all sounds like an elaborate ruse to let them kill Gazans.

I wouldn't put it past Netanyahu to have planned it. There are probably enough hateful people in his government and the military to never say a word about what really went on behind the scenes and if they actually plotted the whole thing. There's just too many loose ends. Who's to say that Hamas isn't a bunch of mercs paid by the Israelis to keep tensions high and give Israel the perfect excuse to cleanse the entire land so not a single non-Jewish Arab remains?

Whatever your smokin' I don't want any. You imagine Hamas is financed by Israel? Get a life. It's IRAN!

 

[Ajay]

I find it interesting that NYT makes this news now, when this was long already on Wikipedia article on the war.

Muse kindly provided us with free access to an NYT article. It’s a nice FYI.

 

[igor_kavinski]

You imagine Hamas is financed by Israel?

What about articles like this? https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

This: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/11/middleeast/qatar-hamas-funds-israel-backing-intl/index.html

And this: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html

 

[mikeymikec]

Both sidesing any with no evidence? Hamas soldiers stripped to underwear hide no guns, etc.

You don't find this a little strange? This seems thoroughly unremarkable to you?

Stripped, blindfolded and ‘humiliated’: Images show dozens of Palestinian men detained by Israeli forces in Gaza

In one photo shared on social media, men can be seen wearing nothing but their underwear as they kneel in a line, surrounded by soldiers in full combat gear wielding guns.

www.nbcnews.com

They were evidently transported there. No clothes.

I'm not both-sidesing anything.

Evidence of rape of those guys by IDF AFAIK completely lacking.

I asked a question, I did not make an assertion.

And your figures for Palestinian dead are from the Palestinian Health Ministry, who have a terrible track record of truthfulness.

https://edition.cnn.com/gaza-israel-big-bombs/index.html

Please try to think about this for a minute. 29,000 bombs dropped in a densely-populated city, nearly half of those bombs were apparently unguided bombs. The Health ministry are suggesting that 20,000 people have died, and you're questioning that figure? You don't think it's a lowball figure at all? What's your estimation about the number of deaths one can achieve by dropping 29,000 bombs in a densely populated city?

As well, Hamas denials are worthless. You're on shaky ground.

It seems to me like you're saying that Hamas needs proof of innocence.

 

[KMFJD]

I now understand why the NYT presented this story again (it had been widely reported on dec 7th already, including the nyt)....always trying to get ahead

https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20231229-pre-01-00-en.pdf

 

[amenx]

Both sidesing any with no evidence? Hamas soldiers stripped to underwear hide no guns, etc. Evidence of rape of those guys by IDF AFAIK completely lacking. And your figures for Palestinian dead are from the Palestinian Health Ministry, who have a terrible track record of truthfulness. As well, Hamas denials are worthless. You're on shaky ground.

Historically the Pals health ministry has been accurate in its figures from previous conflicts where 1000s have died and when tallied with UN's independent bodies for assessing the death tolls. Even in the current conflict independent UN sources estimates of dead have been close to the Pal figures. There is in all likelihood a gross underestimation of the figures due to bodies being under rubble that cannot be retrieved.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(23)02713-7

 

[KMFJD]

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@MaxBlumenthal: While much of the NYT "mass Hamas rape" report relies on innuendo, it also purports to contain several credible eyewitness testimonies. One was delivered by a survivor of the Nova electronic music fe...…

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Max raises some interesting questions about the validity of the NYT article

 

[igor_kavinski]

Max raises some interesting questions about the validity of the NYT article

How are we supposed to believe anything from these lying Israeli military POShits? It's almost as if lying is an integral part of their religion.

 

[mikeymikec]

My only conclusion about this rape propaganda is that its intent is to sway the Israeli populace in favour of wiping out the Palestinian people. There's little benefit in duping the easily duped around the rest of the world because a.n.other Israeli apologist who lives wherever has little bearing on the situation, and to anyone else it's obvious propaganda, whereas the Israeli people are the closest to the situation and so the most personally invested (aside from the Palestinians of course, and I suppose some of them could be propaganda targets provided that they're not too busy being kicked out of their homes, dealing with their homes being bombed, or putting out the flames on their childrens' backs).

 

[KMFJD]

Biden keeps aiding the genocide

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/29/politics/biden-congress-israel-military-aid/index.html

 

[KMFJD]

the IOF doesn't seem to have learned much....just walk up to a merkeva and plant an anti-tank ied

https://twitter.com/x/status/1741139134515728784

 

[Ajay]

Biden keeps aiding the genocide

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/29/politics/biden-congress-israel-military-aid/index.html

Another 'world-class' military that doesn't have enough ammo to kill innocent civilians. Guess the ~$3B in annual aid to Israel was spent on knitting classes (that or graft).

 

[Drach]

Bernie says it best.

 

[KMFJD]

Not sure if anyone has read the charges that South Africa has laid but it's something...

https://www.icj-cij.org/sites/default/files/case-related/192/192-20231228-app-01-00-en.pdf

 

[Ajay]

Bernie says it best.

I wish he'd give that speech on the White House lawn.

 

[igor_kavinski]

https://imgur.com/a/5uyRrB8

 

[Racan]

Now they’re recruiting this scumbag fellow war criminal to help push the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians for them.

Report: Ex-UK PM Blair eyed as mediator on post-war Gaza, including resettlement of Palestinians

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www.timesofisrael.com

 

[mikeymikec]

Now they’re recruiting this scumbag fellow war criminal to help push the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians for them.

Report: Ex-UK PM Blair eyed as mediator on post-war Gaza, including resettlement of Palestinians

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www.timesofisrael.com

"Resettlement of Palestinians" - hey, it's "innocuous terms for super shitty behaviour" time again! IMO we need a political thesaurus, and for the word resettlement, I propose the following synonyms:

ghetto
concentration camp

 

[KMFJD]

i find it kind of amazing that after almost 3 months that Hamas is still able to launch their little rockets at Israel, i would have thought they had run out by now or that the IOF had stopped their ability to do so



Looks like the USS Ford is being sent home

Exclusive: US to bring back aircraft carrier from eastern Mediterranean

Exclusive: The USS Gerald R. Ford aircraft carrier strike group will leave the eastern Mediterranean Sea in the "coming days," two U.S. officials tell ABC News.

abcnews.go.com

 

[KMFJD]

Some new combat footage...urban warfare is hell

https://nitter.net/CensoredMen/status/1740795961197355199#m

https://twitter.com/x/status/1740795961197355199

 

[pcgeek11]

Looks like the USS Ford is being sent home

Exclusive: US to bring back aircraft carrier from eastern Mediterranean

Exclusive: The USS Gerald R. Ford aircraft carrier strike group will leave the eastern Mediterranean Sea in the "coming days," two U.S. officials tell ABC News.

abcnews.go.com

She was at the end of her deployment when it was redirected to the Eastern Med. They were on overtime so to speak and ready to come home to refit and resupply etc. The crew also needs some R&R time too.

 

[Leeea]

i find it kind of amazing that after almost 3 months that Hamas is still able to launch their little rockets at Israel, i would have thought they had run out by now or that the IOF had stopped their ability to do so

Every time Hamas fires a rocket they justify Israel's actions.

Evil monsters trying to get everyone killed.

 

[IronWing]

Every time Hamas fires a rocket they justify Israel's actions.

Evil monsters trying to get everyone killed.

And every time Israel murders a Palestinian or steals Palestinian land, they justify Hamas' existence. This war is exactly what Israel has spent the last three decades working toward.

 

[Leeea]

And every time Israel murders a Palestinian or steals Palestinian land, they justify Hamas' existence. This war is exactly what Israel has spent the last three decades working toward.

no.

This war is what Likud has spent the last three decades working toward.

Hamas != Palestine.
Likud != Israel.


Look beyond blind hate, and ask yourself who is the real enemy. You know most Israelis never wanted this war. You know most Palestinians never wanted this war. You know Likud is a minority government. You know Hamas is a unelected dictatorship.


You know both Hamas and Likud need each other to keep each other in power. To keep the hate burning.

You know Likud propped Hamas up to keep the terror going:

For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces

The premier's policy of treating the terror group as a partner, at the expense of Abbas and Palestinian statehood, has resulted in wounds that will take Israel years to heal from

www.timesofisrael.com

Because without Hamas there would be no Likud.


Stop thinking of it as Israel vs Palestine, and see it for what it really is. Rich people getting richer.

 

[Perknose]

Hamas != Palestine.
Likud != Israel.

I think this is extremely important to remember.