Israel: We Are At War

[MrSquished]

Another day another war crime by Israel

https://twitter.com/x/status/1719416385418182740

Well the Israeli genocide is being televised. Biden and all the other Israeli supporting countries that have been either totally behind them, or very meek to criticize, looks terrible. This should be an easy condemnation. Don't give these genocidal maniacs 14 billion, give it to anybody BUT Israel.

The Israelis got caught with their pants down about the entire Hamas attack, complete intelligence failure and exposure, but now they have pinpoint intelligence on where the leaders are hiding in Gaza! So they can justify genocide by taking out big chunks of residential neighborhoods willy nilly!

How the fuck can anyone defend this shit.

 

[Thunder 57]

Well the Israeli genocide is being televised. Biden and all the other Israeli supporting countries that have been either totally behind them, or very meek to criticize, looks terrible. This should be an easy condemnation. Don't give these genocidal maniacs 14 billion, give it to anybody BUT Israel.

The Israelis got caught with their pants down about the entire Hamas attack, complete intelligence failure and exposure, but now they have pinpoint intelligence on where the leaders are hiding in Gaza! So they can justify genocide by taking out big chunks of residential neighborhoods willy nilly!

How the fuck can anyone defend this shit.

Please, they didn't get caught with their pants down. I'd bet they knew it was coming. They wanted an excuse.

 

[MrSquished]

Please, they didn't get caught with their pants down. I'd bet they knew it was coming. They wanted an excuse.

Of course the right wing terrorist government in Israel were hoping for this. They wanted any reason to go level Gaza and kill Palestinians. I'm just going with the Israeli narrative, then and now.

 

[Sunburn74]

Please, they didn't get caught with their pants down. I'd bet they knew it was coming. They wanted an excuse.

It's possible they knew but didn't believe it similar to the 9/11 early US government information of an attack on that day. I seem to recall something about Egypt sending warnings to the Israelis in the news a little whilst back.

I mean I still can't believe Hamas did that today. It was an attack that accomplished nothing militarily or politically for them other than sign a death warrant.

 

[Leeea]

According to a statement by the Israel Defense Forces, the airstrike targeted and killed Ibrahim Biari, whom it described as one of the Hamas commanders responsible for the October 7 attack on Israel, which left than 1,400 people dead and hundreds taken hostage.


The IDF also said “numerous other Hamas terrorists” were hit in the strike, and claimed the Central Jabalya Battalion had taken control of civilian buildings.

ugly for everyone involved at that refugee camp

I wonder if they actually hit any Hamas or if Hamas leaked the info trying to get Israel to hit it.

So far Israel has been happy to dance to Hamas's fiddle.


on the other hand, if I was in the west bank I would take a hard look at this and look at the distinct lack of action around the world. Lots of hot air, but it does seem palestinian life is not valued by anyone. Time to accept that two state solution regardless what has to be given up.

Yea, Mr. Squished will post hot takes on this forum, but he is not going to do diddly squat about anything. Because at the end of the day his life is way to comfortable to actually do anything about what is happening. Outside of accusing everyone else of being everything he is.

 

[MrSquished]

ugly for everyone involved at that refugee camp

I wonder if they actually hit any Hamas or if Hamas leaked the info trying to get Israel to hit it.

So far Israel has been happy to dance to Hamas's fiddle.


on the other hand, if I was in the west bank I would take a hard look at this and look at the distinct lack of action around the world. Lots of hot air, but it does seem palestinian life is not valued by anyone. Time to accept that two state solution regardless what has to be given up.

Yea, Mr. Squished will post hot takes on this forum, but he is not going to do diddly squat about anything. Because at the end of the day his life is way to comfortable to actually do anything about what is happening. Outside of accusing everyone else of being everything he is.

now another moron needs a kleenex. We are here to discuss politics. Do you expect everyone to go grab a gun and go fight with the Palestinians otherwise their words are pointless? What a fucking idiotic take by someone who has no facts on their side.

And here you are now victim blaming the Palestinians for Israeli genocide. It's either Israel hit Hamas, or if they did not hit Hamas, it had to be Hamas who made them do it. You are a sick disgusting fuck. Why don't you go protect the Israelis from Hamas misinformation?

as most of us non-Zionist supporters who have known this already, Israel has wanted to push the Palestinians out and has no interest in a two state solution, only their holy land becoming whole.

An Israeli ministry, in a ‘concept paper,' proposes transferring Gaza civilians to Egypt's Sinai

The document proposes moving Gaza’s civilian population to tent cities in northern Sinai, then building permanent cities and an undefined humanitarian corridor.

www.nbcconnecticut.com

 

[rommelrommel]

Bullshit. They rejected having a people FORCED upon them on lands they have historically been living on, by a fucking colonialist power nobody liked. WTF would you expect? Ironically, it was the West who wanted to also get rid of their 'Jew' problem in Europe by giving them Israel. Put them there, let them have their holy land, less of our problem now. You accuse the natives of Palestine of what the West was literally guilty of then.

Unreal the sickness you pro-Zionists have.

Okay, so what happens to the 7~ million jews in Israel? Hamas wins = no jews in the region. It fine by you for them to get slaughtered?

What about the 2~ million arabs that are citizens and largely support Israel? Fuck them too? Even tho they are almost exclusively people descendants of people who lived there prior to the establishment of Israel?

You're long on vitriol for the Israeli state, pretty short on solutions.

 

[MrSquished]

It's possible they knew but didn't believe it similar to the 9/11 early US government information of an attack on that day. I seem to recall something about Egypt sending warnings to the Israelis in the news a little whilst back.

I mean I still can't believe Hamas did that today. It was an attack that accomplished nothing militarily or politically for them other than sign a death warrant.

Well when you are a people who are in an apartheid state whose creator has zero interest in anything but removing you from their land, I mean, put people in a totally dead end completely shitty corner with no options, blowback is what happens. It does not justify the murder of innocent civilians, but it sure explains it.

 

[MrSquished]

Okay, so what happens to the 7~ million jews in Israel? Hamas wins = no jews in the region. It fine by you for them to get slaughtered?

What about the 2~ million arabs that are citizens and largely support Israel? Fuck them too? Even tho they are almost exclusively people descendants of people who lived there prior to the establishment of Israel?

You're long on vitriol for the Israeli state, pretty short on solutions.

Hamas agreed to a two state solution. Israel has been dishonest and a terrorist nation and now has policy concept papers about their true end goal, ridding Palestine of Palestinians. Of course Hamas made mistakes along the way. It's not all Israel's fault, but if you want to find a solution, you can't lie about the origins of the issue, which is ALL i pointed out.

And you wackos keep acting like all this came out of nowhere and Israel has been a decent honest actor this whole time.

 

[amenx]

I guess they had a meeting and thought: "Nah, we cant use the Hamas misfired rocket excuse on this one."

https://x.com/cnnbrk/status/1719416256661528796?s=20

 

[KMFJD]

The Director of the UN's New York office just resigned after thirty years at the organization over the UN's handling of the ongoing genocide of Palestinians.

The last paragraph is a dozy

 

[Jaskalas]

Because they don't have to nuke the place and kill all the civilians. If you either care about preserving human life, or you just don't want the negative publicity that goes with killing too many, you're going to do the least harm while achieving your objective.

Such notions require an overwhelming strength and a willingness to value enemy civilians over the lives of your own soldiers.
It takes an overwhelming advantage, such as the US has uniquely enjoyed, to even consider that a sane option.

In any actual war, cities become bombed out husks.
Always have.
Always will.

That's the price of starting a fight. Hamas wanted this end, and Israel should deliver it.

 

[Zor Prime]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1719398472774787412

Well that isn't good.

In other news at 10: Mass burning of Israeli "Genocide Inside" processors after public discovers they've been using Israeli developed chips. /s

 

[emperus]

This is disheartening.

It became evident to U.S. officials that Israeli leaders believed mass civilian casualties were an acceptable price in the military campaign. In private conversations with American counterparts, Israeli officials referred to how the United States and other allied powers resorted to devastating bombings in Germany and Japan during World War II — including the dropping of the two atomic warheads in Hiroshima and Nagasaki — to try to defeat those countries.

My bolding.

Biden’s Support for Israel Now Comes With Words of Caution (Published 2023)

The administration has become more critical of Israel’s response to the Hamas attacks, a shift that U.S. officials attribute to the humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Leeea]

Such notions require an overwhelming strength and a willingness to value enemy civilians over the lives of your own soldiers.
It takes an overwhelming advantage, such as the US has uniquely enjoyed, to even consider that a sane option.

In any actual war, cities become bombed out husks.
Always have.
Always will.

That's the price of starting a fight. Hamas wanted this end, and Israel should deliver it.

No, Israel shouldn't.

Israel should give the civilians an out. Even if that out amounts to nothing more then a big concentration camp.

Displacement / "ethnic cleansing" is better then straight up sorry but your going to die for being born in the wrong place.

And right now with the amount of food being let in, the current government running Gaza ( Hamas ), which Israel allowed to come into existence, that is what it is. Israel may not have intended this, wanted this, created this, but it is Israel's problem now.

Israel moving in on the ground would be exactly what Hamas wants, Hamas is going to resist just enough to get everyone killed.

A million dead people for what? How does the nation look at itself in the mirror after that?



keep in mind 70% of the people in Gaza wanted Hamas gone:

Polls Show Majority of Gazans Were Against Breaking Ceasefire; Hamas and Hezbollah Unpopular Among Key Arab Publics

Recent Washington Institute polls have tracked Gazans’ views on Hamas and the ceasefire with Israel, along with a wider regional decline in popularity for Hamas and Hezbollah.

www.washingtoninstitute.org

before this all started.

the majority of Gazans (70%) supported a proposal of the PA sending “officials and security officers to Gaza to take over the administration there, with Hamas giving up separate armed units,”

 

[KMFJD]

Governments of Bolivia, Colombia and Chile are recalling their ambassadors from Israel

 

[Fenixgoon]

This is disheartening.

My bolding.

Biden’s Support for Israel Now Comes With Words of Caution (Published 2023)

The administration has become more critical of Israel’s response to the Hamas attacks, a shift that U.S. officials attribute to the humanitarian crisis in Gaza.

www.nytimes.com

a shame that they are repeating an atrocity instead of learning from it (though if i'm being pedantic, i'd argue our invasions of iraq and afghanistan are much closer to the current situation....both also events to be learned from, rather than repeated)

 

[Roger Wilco]

14% of Gaza buildings have been damaged or destroyed.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1719537624174518654

 

[Moonbeam]

Then you should ask yourself why this would make Israel a pariah when the US killed 100's of thousands of civilians in its last 3 wars alone. Many through drone strikes hitting weddings and other harmless gatherings. Sure, we were criticized for it, but we never became a pariah, did we? If you're right that Israel will become a pariah, then you've just identified the double standard I've been talking about.

That double standard has an easy resolution. The US should be subjected to the same condemnation as Israel.

 

[Jaskalas]

No, Israel shouldn't.

Israel should give the civilians an out. Even if that out amounts to nothing more then a big concentration camp.

It is a false offer you suggest.
Hamas will not allow anyone to leave.
And no country will take them.

Yes, ideally Israel should filter the population through temporary settlement elsewhere. Disarmed, but safe and provided for.
But do they actually have the land for that?
Could they make it work?

Maybe if someone else proposed, footed the bill, and demanded it. The United States President could probably force Israel to legitimately make that offer. And while I would approve, I seriously doubt Hamas wouldn't just kill everyone who tried to surrender. And no one else will offer land. Egypt has make it perfectly clear that every Palestinian should die before Egypt would lift a finger. And after what the Palestinians tried to do to Jordan? No one should blame them for feeling the existential threat of terrorism.

It is not a simple task, even if both sides allowed it.
And thus far, it is just your idea. Not a proposal from the "leader of the free world".

Back to the point, this is a massacre Hamas started. Israel should finish it. Hamas must not exist by bloodletting's end.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1719463033842343949

 

[amenx]

^ Relying on Israelis for info (IDF or medics working for the state) will always be questionable. Like the 40 beheaded babies story. Israel has tremendous motive for the spreading of such stories to justify their current actions in Gaza. How convenient for them to present this story now and not having reported it weeks ago in the early days of the Hamas attack.

 

[Fenixgoon]

It is a false offer you suggest.
Hamas will not allow anyone to leave.
And no country will take them.

Yes, ideally Israel should filter the population through temporary settlement elsewhere. Disarmed, but safe and provided for.
But do they actually have the land for that?
Could they make it work?

Maybe if someone else proposed, footed the bill, and demanded it. The United States President could probably force Israel to legitimately make that offer. And while I would approve, I seriously doubt Hamas wouldn't just kill everyone who tried to surrender. And no one else will offer land. Egypt has make it perfectly clear that every Palestinian should die before Egypt would lift a finger. And after what the Palestinians tried to do to Jordan? No one should blame them for feeling the existential threat of terrorism.

It is not a simple task, even if both sides allowed it.
And thus far, it is just your idea. Not a proposal from the "leader of the free world".

Back to the point, this is a massacre Hamas started. Israel should finish it. Hamas must not exist by bloodletting's end.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1719463033842343949

Let's suppose Israel does eliminate Hamas. Do you think the next generation is going to forget what happened? There will be Hamas 2.0. As it turns out, when you kill a lot of people, it makes their friends want to kill you in return. It's not like we learned this over the course of 20 years occupying Afghanistan and Iraq

 

[KMFJD]

Some clashes in Gaza, mostly IDF is sticking to open areas

 

[KMFJD]

It is a false offer you suggest.
Hamas will not allow anyone to leave.
And no country will take them.

Yes, ideally Israel should filter the population through temporary settlement elsewhere. Disarmed, but safe and provided for.
But do they actually have the land for that?
Could they make it work?

Maybe if someone else proposed, footed the bill, and demanded it. The United States President could probably force Israel to legitimately make that offer. And while I would approve, I seriously doubt Hamas wouldn't just kill everyone who tried to surrender. And no one else will offer land. Egypt has make it perfectly clear that every Palestinian should die before Egypt would lift a finger. And after what the Palestinians tried to do to Jordan? No one should blame them for feeling the existential threat of terrorism.

It is not a simple task, even if both sides allowed it.
And thus far, it is just your idea. Not a proposal from the "leader of the free world".

Back to the point, this is a massacre Hamas started. Israel should finish it. Hamas must not exist by bloodletting's end.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1719463033842343949

Like magic, more Hamas atrocity stories after another massacre of civilians by the IDF

 

[zinfamous]

It's possible they knew but didn't believe it similar to the 9/11 early US government information of an attack on that day. I seem to recall something about Egypt sending warnings to the Israelis in the news a little whilst back.

I mean I still can't believe Hamas did that today. It was an attack that accomplished nothing militarily or politically for them other than sign a death warrant.

They are a suicide cult to a certain degree. Not much different from our own evangelicals here in the US (though they are more into murdering everyone in the middle east in order to bring about worldwide death and destruction as the means to kill themselves--but it's pretty much the same thing)