Israel: We Are At War

[Drach]

Well some people would say the US is also guilty of war crimes for it's air strikes over the years to take out terrorist targets that also caused collateral damage and harmed non-combatants. Can you wage war against a terrorist group like Hamas without committing some type of war crimes?

I think I remember the US blowing up a wedding in Afghanistan.

 

[Pens1566]

So after these 1.1 million people evacuate...what do they come back to? Will there be anything left?

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[Pens1566]

Israel and Lebanon are exchanging artillery fire.

 

[MrSquished]

Israel and Hamas, two peas in a pod.

Except Israel was leading the apartheid state this whole time.

 

[woolfe9998]

I never realized the moral bar of "we shouldn't kill civilians" was so controversial. Hamas is an awful group with their terrorist attack on civilians. The blanket revenge bombing of and cutting off of supplies to Gaza in response is appalling and bad.

How would you respond instead?

 

[Zor Prime]

So after these 1.1 million people evacuate...what do they come back to? Will there be anything left?

Good question. Firstly, they'll send an invoice to Hamas then take it from there I suppose.

 

[Zor Prime]

First I've seen, 5 minutes ago: The IDF tells Fox News' Trey Yingst that Israeli forces entered the Gaza Strip Friday, both infantry forces and tanks, to conduct localized raids.

It begins.

 

[linkgoron]

Israel and Lebanon are exchanging artillery fire.

Hezbollah has been "showing support" for the last few days, but it has been mostly minor things - although five Israeli soldiers have been killed on that border. The assumption has been (so far) that they might join when/if a larger ground assault starts in Gaza.

 

[Roger Wilco]

Hezbollah has been "showing support" for the last few days, but it has been mostly minor things - although five Israeli soldiers have been killed on that border. The assumption has been (so far) that they might join when/if a larger ground assault starts in Gaza.

The ground assault starts in the next 24 hours. Feels like they may be chomping at the bit.

 

[gothuevos]

That will be part of Israel then.

There is no going back.

They likely will recreate the corridor to the west bank at some point, and they will most likely move to the west bank.

Does the west Bank have the infrastructure to accommodate a million new people?

 

[linkgoron]

That will be part of Israel then.

There is no going back.

They likely will recreate the corridor to the west bank at some point, and they will most likely move to the west bank.

I don't think Israel will settle parts of the Gaza strip, they've already made that mistake once and gone back from it.

 

[Roger Wilco]

IDF claims they are conducting drone strikes on Hezbollah in Lebanon.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1712869002874159546

 

[emperus]

Well some people would say the US is also guilty of war crimes for it's air strikes over the years to take out terrorist targets that also caused collateral damage and harmed non-combatants. Can you wage war against a terrorist group like Hamas without committing some type of war crimes?

My issue is the gaslighting. This whole rage is predicated on Israel's believe that Hamas committed terrorism(equivalent to war crimes). If you are going to equally commit war crimes, then what is your rage about? Or is it because you feel righteous in the reason for those war crimes?

 

[dank69]

How would you respond instead?

Who says you HAVE to respond? What if the response is just to put new defenses in place to prevent a similar attack in the future? What if the response is to apologize for harassing Palestinians out of areas that Israel wants to take for themselves and just not doing that anymore? That way, if/when Hamas attacks again in the future Israel might have more international support because they aren't acting like a douchbag state.

 

[Perknose]

Is Israeli carpet bombing Gaza? Or taking out specific buildings that are being used by Hamas?

Yes.

Depending on your view.

 

[Brainonska511]

How would you respond instead?

Likely not with a wholesale bombing campaign that will indiscriminately harm civilians and an invasion that starts with creating a bigger humanitarian crisis when you tell 1.1 million people to leave their homes.

The response could include any number of things, from more targeted strikes and special forces, it could be putting up better defenses and intelligence to prevent future issues, it could be undercutting Hamas's power base by supporting a new government in Gaza.

 

[Perknose]

How would you respond instead?

Well, that's the tragedy of it all, isn't it?

 

[Ajay]

Pretty good overview (short) of the Geopolitics involved in the current situation, as some have pointed out here. I was surprised to see that there are some in the government that are to the RIGHT of Netanyahu. Also, the pressure from 'peers' for HAMAS to act more boldly. The are signs all over the place that Iran is involved in this (particularly because of the timing). I guess, in time we will find out.

 

[KMFJD]

over 500 Americans in Gaza btw

 

[Moonbeam]

I knew you'd respond to this and we're definitely going to agree to disagree on this, but I believe in whole that you're wrong. We as a species (and the species we came from) decided where the needle lies on morality for our entire existence, entirely independent of our genes, often independent of our upbringing (for both better and worse). The only people who 'know better' are ones who have witnessed how good life can be without all the raping and pillaging, and even then some still choose violence. Our culture primarily defines our morals though, which is basically just sparkling peer pressure at that point (we are apes after all).

Yes we will disagree. All that I can ask then, if truth is truly subjective and not something we feel a certainty about within, that it really does exist, why did you describe this disagreement as something you believe rather than as you claim it should be, just your personal subjective opinion? You may claim semantics but I think it goes much deeper than that.

 

[Roger Wilco]

Syrian journalist says Iraqi state-sponsored forces are entering Lebanon through Syria.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1712876584460222681

 

[brycejones]

Does the west Bank have the infrastructure to accommodate a million new people?

Settlers sure….

Non Jews? Nope, the crazies in the government wouldn’t allow that.

 

[Leeea]

Who says you HAVE to respond? What if the response is just to put new defenses in place to prevent a similar attack in the future? What if the response is to apologize for harassing Palestinians out of areas that Israel wants to take for themselves and just not doing that anymore? That way, if/when Hamas attacks again in the future Israel might have more international support because they aren't acting like a douchbag state.

fuck that shit.

 

[Pens1566]

Syrian journalist says Iraqi state-sponsored forces are entering Lebanon through Syria.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1712876584460222681

Yeah, this is gonna spread.

 

[Brovane]

My issue is the gaslighting. This whole rage is predicated on Israel's believe that Hamas committed terrorism(equivalent to war crimes). If you are going to equally commit war crimes, then what is your rage about? Or is it because you feel righteous in the reason for those war crimes?

Israel feels righteous in the reason for the war crimes because in their view because you cannot fight back against a terrorist organization without harming innocent civilians.
It would be the same way that the US feels righteous in taking out terrorists using drones even when we know that some innocent civilians will be harmed.