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Israel: We Are At War

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Dr. Detroit said:
  • Hamas terrorists target & kill innocent civilians.
  • Israel attacks and Hamas uses civilians as shields.
  • Hamas and the media scream War Crimes.
Repeat!

The Twitter footage that Hamas puts out slaughtering civilians hiding in bomb shelters, sniping those walking along the street, parading dead naked women around all while shouting Allahuh Akbar gets absolutely no sympathy from me.
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Not like Israel hasn't sown these seeds for 100+ years taking the Palestinians' nation away from them. I'm sure you righties would be engaging in constant terrorism if Mexico flooded here, seized complete power, stuck the whites in ghettos, and renamed the nation Aztlan.
 
MrSquished said:
What Hamas is doing here is despicable. But as you point out, the Israelis do the same. They just get media protection.
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I would blame the party that initiated today's escalation.
But can regime change, can destruction of the terror group HAMAS, be an allowed response?
To capture Gaza would be a blood bath.
 
Dr. Detroit said:
Critical thinking is important..."Because we have access to $6B for humanitarian efforts, we can free up money we had budgeted for that and provide it to Hamas"

Fact is, Iran has a history of doing this, so why would we think they didn't fund this with money, weapons, technology, intel and more?
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Maybe we shouldn't have overthrown their democratically elected government?
 
WelshBloke said:
The IRA killed more people in the UK than Hamas has in Israel but I don't remember the UK shelling Dublin.
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The British have a bit of experience in putting down revolts. In regards to Ireland the SAS worked better than bombardment, as things tend to be less newsworthy and fewer things of value burn.

Do you remember the UK shooting at invaders in the Falklands? Protecting British citizens? I do.
 
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kage69 said:
The British have a bit of experience in putting down revolts. SAS works better than bombardment, things tend to be less newsworthy and fewer things of value burn.
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Northern Ireland is a good example of what happens when the dominant power stops being dickheads and honors their commitments. The Good Friday agreement has held up because the British government, for the first time in its thousand year history, held up its end of the bargain to respect the human and civil rights of the people under its rule.
 
kage69 said:
The British have a bit of experience in putting down revolts. SAS works better than bombardment, things tend to be less newsworthy and fewer things of value burn.

Do you remember the UK shooting at invaders in the Falklands? Protecting British citizens? I do.
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I mean the Falklands conflict was in no way an insurgency. I don't remember Hamas turning up at the Gaza strip with a navy!
 
[DHT]Osiris said:
And before anyone starts diving in here with 'bbbut but I said get the civilians out', Gaza has the population of Chicago inside it. Old people . Children. Disabled. You are not getting that many people out before the sickle falls. You're calling for the deaths of tens of thousands, minimum. That is exactly what the Hamas leadership hanging out in fucking Dubai wants.
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From what I hear the Palestinians have nowhere to go
 
WelshBloke said:
I mean the Falklands conflict was in no way an insurgency. I don't remember Hamas turning up at the Gaza strip with a navy!
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How do you say strawman in Welsh? Both of those sentences are completely irrelevant.

We're talking about mortal threats to innocent civilians. Are you suggesting a government has no right or duty to defend the lives of it's citizens?
 
kage69 said:
How do you say strawman in Welsh? Both of those sentences are completely irrelevant.

We're talking about mortal threats to innocent civilians. Are you suggesting a government has no right or duty to defend the lives of it's citizens?
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I'd say the strawman was bringing up the Falklands conflict when the discussion is the Palestinian Territories. The two situations are totally different.
 
kage69 said:
We're talking about mortal threats to innocent civilians. Are you suggesting a government has no right or duty to defend the lives of it's citizens?
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Serious question. Does the state of Israel have a duty of care to those in the Palestinian Territories?
What is the state of nationhood of those in the Palestinian Territories?
If they aren't Israeli what are they? Does that mean that the Palestinian Territories are a country?
Who is ultimately responsible for what happens in the Territories?
 
WelshBloke said:
I'd say the strawman was bringing up the Falklands conflict when the discussion is the Palestinian Territories. The two situations are totally different.
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Oh c'mon now, don't play dumb with me. I refuse to believe you can't comprehend this basic comparison. If you understand a governments responsibility to defend it's citizens in one hemisphere, then grats my man, you've automagically discovered how to do it in the other hemisphere too! Woooooo
 
kage69 said:
Oh c'mon now, don't play dumb with me. I refuse to believe you can't comprehend this basic comparison. If you understand a governments responsibility to defend it's citizens in one hemisphere, then grats my man, you've automagically discovered how to do it in the other hemisphere too! Woooooo
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There is no comparison between the Falklands conflict and what's happening in Israel!
In the same way there is no comparison between the Falklands conflict and the Northern Ireland troubles.
It's why we didn't try to fix the troubles by sending an aircraft carrier to Derry.
 
WelshBloke said:
Serious question. Does the state of Israel have a duty of care to those in the Palestinian Territories?
What is the state of nationhood of those in the Palestinian Territories?
If they aren't Israeli what are they? Does that mean that the Palestinian Territories are a country?
Who is ultimately responsible for what happens in the Territories?
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Serious answer: Hamas has been running Gaza since 2007. Israel pulled out all their shit, all their people, but still controls the airspace above and the coast.
 
kage69 said:
Serious answer: Hamas has been running Gaza since 2007. Israel pulled out all their shit, all their people, but still controls the airspace above and the coast.
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I mean that doesn't answer any of those questions, but good effort on trying to frame an argument!
 
kage69 said:
Serious answer: Hamas has been running Gaza since 2007. Israel pulled out all their shit, all their people, but still controls the airspace above and the coast.
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Out of interest what's the term for a territory where you control all the borders, everything that goes in and out and confine a certain group of people in there?
 
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