MrSquished
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It's not evidence it's about the Zionist and prozionist belief that Israel has its hands mostly clean and would never do this.
That is a fucking farce and a joke and pathetic and sad. It's ridiculous to even think.
It's been illuminating to see the pro Zionists in this thread for decades of Israeli oppression and terrorism.
Learn to fucking read dude. This conflict is much bigger than this one event. Get a fucking clue.
KMFJD
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Fuck that! ... Putting a troll like that on ignore only enables his bullshit. All the dude has to do is post his thoughts without the baseless personal attacks. It's a cowards way to act like some kind of tuff guy on an anonymous message board.
This troll can't help himself .... Who are these "Zionists in this thread" who "ignore decades of Israeli oppression and terrorism"?
Muse
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I don't have him on ignore but I'm not reading his posts now. The offensiveness is off the charts.
LOL! The ignore feature works wonders for my blood pressure! Just ignore the morons. It's not like their behavior appreciable changes. They stop posting for a little while after you guys beat them up, but then they comeback with the same old shit. It's like the definition of insanity.
Muse
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I do have several people on ignore. A few others I just don't read their posts. Some of those I've had on Ignore and took them off for some reason. My blood pressure's fine. But I don't like getting furious for no reason, particularly when I figure any effort I make to cajole a person is sure to have no effect.
GodisanAtheist
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What is it with the Israel Palestine conflict that always gets so moored in these persnickety details. We were on baby decapitation a bit ago, now this one bomb strike.
Take a breath, touch grass, and get back to the 10,000ft level where a bystander 10,000 miles away belongs. Israel, Hamas, who hit the hospital does not change anything about the overall tenor of this perpetual conflict.
Israel Right Wing Bad. Hamas Bad. Palestinian and Israeli civilians fucked. War machine keeps turning.
Take a breath, touch grass, and get back to the 10,000ft level where a bystander 10,000 miles away belongs. Israel, Hamas, who hit the hospital does not change anything about the overall tenor of this perpetual conflict.
Israel Right Wing Bad. Hamas Bad. Palestinian and Israeli civilians fucked. War machine keeps turning.
Jaskalas
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This is true, but when a very large number of people across the planet get hyped up on misinformation, on propaganda designed to target our allies and change our policy. To gain favor for Hamas....
And it works. The lies worked. It doesn't matter if it isn't true, many people will go to their graves believing Israel bombed it. A campaign of misinformation echoed by lemmings does have an effect on outcomes. That is a problem. It is a weakness when our people listen to and obey terrorists.
OTOH, there are MANY other locations across Gaza that ARE being bombed by Israel. One cannot fight a war in a dense urban environment without it being an atrocity. The hospital is a side show, there are many more dead, wounded, and displaced Palestinians than what that story played. The hospital story was fake, the rest of Gaza is real.
The tenor of this conflict has changed. The massacre against Israel was huge, it proved Israel cannot defend its border. The status quo no longer works and it must be changed. War is declared, Gaza is attacked in an effort to end the war. To put an end to Hamas.
What else can be done? If not for the incessant rocket attacks, the hostages... these things demand immediate and sustained force. This should not end until Israel seizes control of Gaza and all its people. When the violence has abated, then we can hold Israel to account for what sort of peace they will aim for. The outcome for the people they conquer as a result of this war.
And if Iran steps in? No telling where this will end, or with how many dead. At that point it is no longer about Gaza or Israel.
There 1000s of Arabic speakers in Israel incl many in the IDF. How convenient for the IDF to provide such a tape when the need arises, lol.IDF released audio of two Hamas operatives discussing the hospital blast, one telling the other that Islamic Jihad fired the rocket "from the cemetery behind the hospital" and misfired, coming right back down. The other says incredulously "it came from us?" The other then saying "the missile is local shrapnel and not Israeli shrapnel."
Islamic Jihad appears to admit hospital blast in video: "It's from us?"
Israel Defense Forces says its audio captures a conversation between Hamas militants expressing surprise that Palestinian Islamic Jihad was behind the blast.www.newsweek.com
Yes, I'm sure it's all a hoax perpetrated by Israel, because any evidence that suggests anything other than Israel did it must of course be fake. You guys would fit right in with all the people who think all the evidence against Trump is fake.
As a soon that the israelis come with another "prove" its debunked once released, last one was an alleged audio conversation between hamas responsibles where the two guys are talking about the explosion being the result of a lost rocket....
Actually that s not even the accent from Gaza, guess that they pulled from the street two random israelis who talk arabic for a one day job..
You still didnt answer my question about the extent of the destruction so far.
As for a crater all sophisticated bombs do not explode on the ground, they can have a mecanism to detect the precise altitude and explode at at a given height to increase the destructive effect.
A JDAM bomb fall at eventually 500m/s, that s 2 metres per millisecond, a height detection could trigger the explosion at say 10 metres altitude, the charge ignition is engaged with a klystron which need only a few microseconds to trigger the explosive combustion, this latter will basically burn in a matter of 0.1 millisecond since a military explosive ccombustion speed is 8-9km/s, during this time the JDAM bomb travel only 5cm wich is 0.05 metre.
So much for the crater, it s not located on the ground but in the head of someone who dont know jack about military devices, sorry for the joke but i couldnt resist...
Actually that s not even the accent from Gaza, guess that they pulled from the street two random israelis who talk arabic for a one day job..
You still didnt answer my question about the extent of the destruction so far.
As for a crater all sophisticated bombs do not explode on the ground, they can have a mecanism to detect the precise altitude and explode at at a given height to increase the destructive effect.
A JDAM bomb fall at eventually 500m/s, that s 2 metres per millisecond, a height detection could trigger the explosion at say 10 metres altitude, the charge ignition is engaged with a klystron which need only a few microseconds to trigger the explosive combustion, this latter will basically burn in a matter of 0.1 millisecond since a military explosive ccombustion speed is 8-9km/s, during this time the JDAM bomb travel only 5cm wich is 0.05 metre.
So much for the crater, it s not located on the ground but in the head of someone who dont know jack about military devices, sorry for the joke but i couldnt resist...
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IDF released audio of two Hamas operatives discussing the hospital blast, one telling the other that Islamic Jihad fired the rocket "from the cemetery behind the hospital" and misfired, coming right back down. The other says incredulously "it came from us?" The other then saying "the missile is local shrapnel and not Israeli shrapnel."
Islamic Jihad appears to admit hospital blast in video: "It's from us?"
Israel Defense Forces says its audio captures a conversation between Hamas militants expressing surprise that Palestinian Islamic Jihad was behind the blast.
Yes, I'm sure it's all a hoax perpetrated by Israel, because any evidence that suggests anything other than Israel did it must of course be fake. You guys would fit right in with all the people who think all the evidence against Trump is fake.
It s already debunked, actually not only that s not correctly translated but that s not even the accent of Gaza.
They surely pulled from the street two israelis who speak arabic for a one day but well paid job....
Clearly Israeli attack /s
Abwx. Here you go. I am sure this is also Israeli misinformation 🙄. You are so desperate for your position is right you won’t even address your position could be wrong.
Abwx. Here you go. I am sure this is also Israeli misinformation 🙄. You are so desperate for your position is right you won’t even address your position could be wrong.
You're wasting your time, it doesn't matter. No amount of proof will convince these people. They'll claim that Israel shot the hospital using a Palestinian rocket from inside of the Gaza strip before admitting that this was a Palestinian misfire. They'll claim 500 killed even though it's clear there weren't. It's just a waste of time.
Let s look things in practice, so far 1000+ children and 1000+ women were killed by israel, that s just blood lust and killing of civilians as a revenge for the israeli military losses during the hamas attack, an humiliated army that avenge itself by killing civilians, the numbers talks by themselves and i dont need to be lectured by people who support those massive war crimes.
This was as of a week ago (from Israeli news site Ynet.com)...
Military experts: 'Israel dropped more bombs in a week than US dropped in Afghanistan in a year'
The Israeli Air Force announced that since the fighting broke out on Saturday, it had dropped about 6,000 bombs against Hamas targets throughout the Gaza Strip...
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/sj2h11muw6
Its probably double that by now. So imagine over 10,000 bombs dropped on Gaza vs half a dozen failed rockets, the statistical likelihood that it would be an Israeli strike that hit the hospital/parking lot is simply overwhelming. Israel has many different munitions in use, not just 1 ton bombs or JDAMs., but older less accurate 'dumb bombs' like M117s.
www.businessinsider.com
p.s. as of that YNet report, I think the IDF stopped reporting the numbers of bombs dropped on Gaza after realizing it doesnt make them look good.
Military experts: 'Israel dropped more bombs in a week than US dropped in Afghanistan in a year'
The Israeli Air Force announced that since the fighting broke out on Saturday, it had dropped about 6,000 bombs against Hamas targets throughout the Gaza Strip...
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/sj2h11muw6
Its probably double that by now. So imagine over 10,000 bombs dropped on Gaza vs half a dozen failed rockets, the statistical likelihood that it would be an Israeli strike that hit the hospital/parking lot is simply overwhelming. Israel has many different munitions in use, not just 1 ton bombs or JDAMs., but older less accurate 'dumb bombs' like M117s.
As Israeli jets devastate Gaza, air force photos show fighter aircraft armed with what look like unguided 'dumb' bombs
The photos appear to show jets armed or being equipped with unguided bombs, less accurate weapons that threaten civilians.
www.businessinsider.com
p.s. as of that YNet report, I think the IDF stopped reporting the numbers of bombs dropped on Gaza after realizing it doesnt make them look good.
On ignore you go. Let’s look at Hamas slaugherting its own people and blaming Israel. You are willfully ignorant.
zinfamous
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zinfamous
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no one supports that. No one. you won't find that argument here. the red mist of your rage is making it impossible for you to think rationally. Israel is doing some fucking evil things and they deserve condemnation.
But this doesn't mean you get to lie about evil things that they haven't done.
OMG - this keeps showing up as a quote, sorry 😞. Blood hell.
To have lost rationality FI is to pretend that hamas kill its own people, that s a typical lie of te israeli propaganda to legitimate the killing of civilians under the pretense that they would be killed anyway by the hamas on the long term.
So far all reports point to palestinians not targeting civilians, those wjhere mainly killed either because they had arms and retied to resist and more likely by friendly fire during the israeli army assaut on the kibboutz, there numerous witness about this.
So far evil things are perpetrated by the israelis daily, but that doesnt seem to be visible for people who deep in what is their ersatz of heart are rooting for a proven criminal states that has scores of criminal wars under its belt...
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Brovane
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Yes a off course Hamas rocket with a bunch of propellant to burn off could cause this destruction. Nearby trees are still standing. A airburst of a JDAM would have resulted in a high velocity shock-wave doing much more damage to the surrounding area. The ac condensers and solar panels are still on the roof. Tiles are still on the roof of the nearby hospital. Some of the cars still have intact windows. Do you think they would be with a JDAM airburst? Look at the surrounding buildings.
But how a car coud be upside down or completely bended with a hamas rocket that has very few blast pressure..?...
And without being directly impacted..?..
And from your words you said that the alleged rocket fell on the ground...
Remember, the marine veteran said that he think that it was a 200 lbs bomb.
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