Israel was warned of attacks in London...Netanyahu Changed Plans Due to Warning

[Dimkaumd]

Originally posted by: conjur
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050707/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_britain_explosions_1

JERUSALEM - British police told the Israeli Embassy in London minutes before Thursday's explosions that they had received warnings of possible terror attacks in the city, a senior Israeli official said.

Israeli Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had planned to attend an economic conference in a hotel over the subway stop where one of the blasts occurred, and the warning prompted him to stay in his hotel room instead, government officials said.

Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom said he wasn't aware of any Israeli casualties.

Just before the blasts, Scotland Yard called the security officer at the Israeli Embassy to say they had received warnings of possible attacks, the official said. He did not say whether British police made any link to the economic conference.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the nature of his position.

The Israeli Embassy was in a state of emergency after the explosions in London, with no one allowed to enter or leave, said the Israeli ambassador to London, Zvi Hefet.

All phone lines to the embassy were down, said Danny Biran, an Israeli Foreign Ministry official.

The ministry set up a situation room to deal with hundreds of phone calls from concerned relatives. Thousands of Israelis are living in London or visiting the city at this time, Biran said.

Amir Gilad, a Netanyahu aide, told Israel Radio that Netanyahu's entourage was receiving updates all morning from British security officials, and "we have also asked to change our plans."

Netanyahu had been scheduled to stay in London until Sunday, but that could change, Gilad said.

I really don't know what to make of this.

I'd heard reports of this earlier but I hadn't known it was official. I figured it was similar to the crap that was being spewed about how Israel pulled its people from the WTC before the attacks.

This angers me. Why were the Israelis warned but no warnings going out to the general public?

Conjur, before you start making all kinds of crazy allegations, consider that perhaps scotland yard informed the israeli embassy because of the nature of the warnings they had. Perhaps the warnings they recieved were targeted for the israelis or netanyahu who was going to be making a speech. I dont think scotland yard has some kind of conspiracy to protect the israelis before their own metro riders.

 

[Dimkaumd]

Originally posted by: CanOWorms
I think it's funny to start a thread because the British said so. They aren't exactly the most trustworthy organization either.

And who is a trustworthy organization according to you? Perhaps the French who supply weapons to Iraq, Sudan, and Rwanda (during their genocide in the 90s), or Perhaps the Iranians are trustworthy?

 

[linkgoron]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: raildogg
Israel has been going through this terrorist ordeal for decades, with constant bus bombings and suicide bombings. Hope that doesn't carry on over to other western countries. I'm afraid that it might.

But also remember that Israel answers back with overwhelming force after each attack and kills terrorists and assassinates their leaders. That hasn't worked in the past, maybe it is working right now. Seen any recent bombings in Israel?

Perhaps that big-ass, illegal wall has something to do with it? Is Britain supposed to build a wall around the entire island?

Here's what's happened in just the last year there:
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Terrorism/victims.html

July 4, 2004 - Victor Kreiderman, 49, of Mevo Dotan, was ambushed and shot to death by Aksa Martyrs Brigades terrorists as he and his wife were driving near the village of Yabad. His wife, Emma, was lightly wounded.

July 11, 2004 - Sgt. Ma'ayan Na'im, 19, of Bat Yam, was murdered and 33 others were wounded when a bomb exploded at a bus stop in downtown Tel Aviv at about 7 a.m. One person was critically wounded, four were moderately wounded, and the rest were lightly hurt.

Aug 13, 2004 - Shlomo Miller, 50, of Itamar in Samaria was killed by a Palestinian terrorist who opened fire outside the settlement gate. The The Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility.

Aug 31, 2004 - Sixteen people were killed and 100 wounded in two suicide bombings within minutes of each other on two Beersheba city buses, on route nos. 6 and 12. The buses were traveling along Beersheba's main street, Rager Blvd, near the city hall. Hamas in Hebron claimed responsibility for the attack. The victims, all residents of Beersheba: Shoshana Amos, 64; Aviel Atash, 3; Vitaly Brodsky, 52; Tamara Dibrashvilli, 70; Raisa Forer, 55; Larisa Gomanenko, 48; Denise Hadad, 50; Tatiana Kortchenko, 49; Rosita Lehman, 45; Karine Malka, 23; Nargiz Ostrovsky, 54; Maria Sokolov, 57; Roman Sokolovsky, 53; Tekele Tiroyaient, 33; Eliyahu Uzan, 58; Emmanuel Yosef (Yosefov), 28.

Sept 22, 2004 - Two Border Policemen - Lance Cpl. Menashe Komemi, 19, of Moshav Aminadav and Lance Cpl. Mamoya Tahio, 20, of Rehovot - were killed and 17 Israelis wounded in a suicide bombing carried out by a female terrorist at the French Hill junction hitchhiking post in northern Jerusalem. The Fatah al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.

Sept 23, 2004 - Capt. Tal Bardugo, 22, of Jerusalem, St.-Sgt. Nir Sami, 21, of Jerusalem, and St.-Sgt. Israel Lutati, 20, of Neve Dekalim were killed by several Palestinian terrorists, armed with AK-47 assault riffles and hand grenades, who infiltrated the military post near the community of Morag in the southern Gaza Strip. Another soldier and a journalist were also wounded in the exchange of fire in which the terrorists were killed. Two Fatah-related terror groups and the Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.

Sept 24, 2004 - Tiferet Tratner, 24, of Jerusalem was killed in her home in Neve Dekalim by a mortar strike on the Gush Katif settlement bloc in the Gaza Strip.

Sept 29, 2004 - Dorit Aniso, 2, and Yuval Abebeh, 4, both of Sderot, were killed by a Kassam rocket fired from Gaza while playing in the street. Some 20 people were wounded. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

Sept 30, 2004 - St.-Sgt. Gilad Fisher, 22, of Mitzpeh Hoshaya, was killed before dawn when Hamas terrorists, under cover of heavy fog, attacked an IDF lookout post east of Beit Hanoun in the Gaza Strip. Two other soldiers were wounded. The terrorists were killed.

Sept 30, 2004 - Shlomit Batito, 36, of Nissanit, was shot and killed by Hamas terrorists while jogging on the road. Sgt. Victor Ariel, 20, of Kadima, a medic, was killed by a grenade thrown by one of the terrorists as he ran to aid Batito. The terrorists were killed by soldiers.

Oct 6, 2004 - Pratheep Nanongkham, 24, a greenhouse worker from Maha Sarakham province in Thailand, was killed when armed terrorists infiltrated the hothouse area of Kfar Darom in the central Gaza Strip. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

Oct 7, 2004 - A total of 32 people were killed in terror bombings at two Sinai holiday resorts frequented by Israelis: 29 at the Taba Hilton and three at Ras a-Satan. Among the dead were 12 Israelis; over 120 were wounded. The Israeli victims at Taba: Assaf Greenwald, 27, of Ramat Gan; Hafez al-Hafi, 39, of Lod; Rotem Moriah, 27, of Tel Aviv; Tzila Niv, 43, and her two sons, Gilad, 11, and Lior, 3, of Rakefet; Oleg Paizakov, 32, and his wife Ludmilla, 30, of Bat Yam; and Khalil Zeitounya, 10, of Jaffa. The Israeli victims at Ras a-Satan: Michal Alexander, 27, of Ganei Tikva; Roy Avisaf, 28, of Kfar Sava; and Einat Naor, 27, of Kibbutz Zikim.

Oct 19, 2004 - St.-Sgt. Yair Nisim Turgemann, 22, of Kiryat Arba, was killed at an IDF base near Mevo Dotan in Samaria when Palestinian gunmen opened fire from Palestinian territory west of the community. The Fatah Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.

Oct 21, 2004 - Sgt.-Maj. Moshe Almaliach, 35, of Dimona, a career NCO in the IDF engineering corps, was killed by a bomb explosion While conducting construction work on the Philadelphi road in the Gaza Strip. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

Oct 28, 2004 - Sgt. Michael Chizhik, 21, of Tiberias was killed and six other soldiers wounded in a mortar shell attack on an IDF outpost at Morag in the southern Gaza Strip. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

Nov 1, 2004 - Three people were killed and over 30 wounded in a suicide bombing at the Carmel Market in central Tel Aviv. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine in Nablus claimed responsibility for the attack, carried out by Amar Alfar, 18, from Askar refugee camp in Nablus. The victims: Tatiana Ackerman, 32, of Tel Aviv; Leah Levine, 64, of Givatayim; and Shmuel Levy, 65, of Jaffa.

Dec 7, 2004 - St.-Sgt. Nadav Kudinski, 20, of Kiryat Gat of the Oketz canine unit was killed by a bomb, along with his dog, when a booby-trapped chicken coup exploded northwest of the Karni Corssing in the Gaza Strip. Four soldiers were wounded in the exchange of fire while evacuating him. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

Dec 12, 2004 - Five IDF soldiers were killed and five wounded when a tunnel filled with 1.5 tons of explosives were detonated under an IDF post at the Rafah crossing, followed by the infiltration of the post by two terrorists who opened fire and activated another explosive device. Hamas and the Fatah Hawks claimed responsibility for the attack. The soldiers killed: Sgt. Araf Azbarga, 19, of Kseifeh; Sgt. Sa'id Jahaja, 19, of Arara; Sgt. Hussein Abu Leil, 23, of Ein Mahal; Corp. Adham Shehada, 19, of Turan; and Sgt. Tarek al-Ziadne, 20, of Rahat.

Dec 14, 2004 - Jitladda Tap-arsa, 19, a female agricultural worker from Udon Thani?s Nong Han district in northereastern Thailand, was killed and two other foreign workers from Thailand and Nepal were wounded by mortar shells fired at Ganei Tal in the Gush Katif settlement bloc from the Gaza Strip.

Dec 21, 2004 - Ariella Fahima, 39, of Moshav Nehusha, south of Beit Shemesh, was stabbed to death at the door to her house, apparently by a terrorist who infiltrated the perimeter fence.

Dec 22, 2004 - Salem (Sami) al-Kimlat, 28, a Bedouin from the town of Rahat employed as a security guard at the construction site of the security fence west of Hebron, was shot and killed by Palestinian terrorists. The Fatah al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.

Jan 2, 2005 - Nissim Arbiv, 25, of Nissanit in the Gaza Strip was mortally wounded in a mortar shell attack while working in the Erez Industrial Zone. He died of his wounds on January 11. Two others were wounded in the attack, for which Hamas claimed responsibility.

Jan 7, 2005 - St.-Sgt. Yosef (Yossi) Atia, 21, of Petah Tikva, was killed and three fellow off-duty soldiers were wounded when Palestinian gunmen opened fire on their car on the Trans-Samaria Highway. The Fatah al-Aksa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.

Jan 12, 2005 - Gideon Rivlin, 50, of Ganei Tal was killed and three IDF soldiers were wounded when a bomb was detonated as a military vehicle patroled the route near Morag in the southern Gaza Strip. Two terrorists were killed by IDF forces. The area was booby-trapped with explosive devices, in addition to the bomb that exploded. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.

Jan 13, 2005 - On Thursday night, shortly before the closing of the Karni Crossing, terrorists activated an explosive device on the Palestinian side, blowing a hole in the door through which Palestinian terrorists infiltrated the Israeli side of the crossing and opened fire at Israeli civilians. As a result of the explosion and exchanges of fire, six Israeli civilians and three Palestinian terrorists were killed, and five Israeli civilians were wounded. Hamas and the Fatah al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed joint responsiblity for the attack. The victims: Dror Gizri, 30, of Sderot; Ibrahim Kahili, 46, of Umm al-Ghanem; Munam Abu Sabia, 33, of Daburiyeh; Ivan Shmilov, 53, of Sderot; Herzl Shlomo, 51, of Sderot; and Ofer Tiri, 23, of Ashkelon.

Jan 15, 2005 - Ayala-Haya (Ella) Abukasis, 17, of Sderot was mortally wounded when a Qassam rocket landed near her and shrapnel penetrated her cerebellum, leaving her brain dead. She was struck while protecting her younger brother, who was lightly wounded. Kept on life support throughout the week, her parents agreed to stop treatment when doctors told them there was no chance of recovery. She died on January 21.

Jan 18, 2005 - Oded Sharon, 36, from Gan Yavne, an ISA officer, was killed, an IDF officer seriously wounded, and four IDF soldiers and three members of the ISA were lightly wounded in a suicide bombing attack at the Gush Katif junction in the central Gaza Strip. While search procedures were being implemented at a post at the junction, the suicide bomber with explosives strapped to his body detonated himself. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

Feb 25, 2005 - Five people were killed and 50 wounded Friday night, when a suicide bomber blew himself up outside the Stage club on the Tel Aviv promenade at around 11:20 P.M., on the corner of Herbert Samuel and Yonah Hanavi streets. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack. The victims: Yitzhak Buzaglo, 40, of Mishmar Hayarden; Aryeh Nagar, 37, of Kfar Sava; Yael Orbach, 28, of Rehovot; Ronen Ruevenov, 30, of Tel Aviv. Odelia Hubara, 26, of Jerusalem, died of her wounds on February 28.

May 2, 2005 - St.-Sgt. Dan Talasnikov, 21, of Nir Galim was killed and another soldier lightly wounded in an exchange of fire during an operation to arrest wanted terrorists from the Islamic Jihad in the village of Saida, north of Tulkarem. One of the terrorists, responsible for the February 25 suicide bombing in Tel Aviv, was killed. The second terrorist was apprehended.

June 7, 2005 - Three workers were killed and five wounded when a Qassam rocket hit a packing shed in Ganei Tal, in the Gaza Strip, penetrating the building's roof and exploding indoors. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack. The Chinese worker killed has been identified as Bi Shude, 46, from Jilin province in northeastern China. The Palestinian workers killed were Salah Ayash Imran, 57, of Khan Yunis, married and the father of 8, and Muhammed Mahmoud Jaroun, of Khan Yunis.

I think Abbas is a great improvement over Arafat and that has something to do with this, but also Israel's forceful retaliations have sent a message to the terrorists that Israel will not stand for their attacks without any punishment.

I hope England retaliates strongly against anyone, any organization or any country involved.

Yeah, we've seen how effective that's been in Afghanistan and Iraq. :roll:

You sir are an idiot.
The decline in terrorisem is mostly thanks to IDF and not the wall. Abas cannot handle the terror in the Palestinian community, and Israel has to defend itself. You've got a better idea? A wall may not be the perfect solution, but the unless you want Israel to tranfer all Palestinians to arab countries, or kill all the Palestinians, I don't think there is a better solution. Peace talks don't work when the other side wants you dead.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Dimkaumd

Originally posted by: conjur
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050707/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_britain_explosions_1

JERUSALEM - British police told the Israeli Embassy in London minutes before Thursday's explosions that they had received warnings of possible terror attacks in the city, a senior Israeli official said.

Israeli Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had planned to attend an economic conference in a hotel over the subway stop where one of the blasts occurred, and the warning prompted him to stay in his hotel room instead, government officials said.

Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom said he wasn't aware of any Israeli casualties.

Just before the blasts, Scotland Yard called the security officer at the Israeli Embassy to say they had received warnings of possible attacks, the official said. He did not say whether British police made any link to the economic conference.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the nature of his position.

The Israeli Embassy was in a state of emergency after the explosions in London, with no one allowed to enter or leave, said the Israeli ambassador to London, Zvi Hefet.

All phone lines to the embassy were down, said Danny Biran, an Israeli Foreign Ministry official.

The ministry set up a situation room to deal with hundreds of phone calls from concerned relatives. Thousands of Israelis are living in London or visiting the city at this time, Biran said.

Amir Gilad, a Netanyahu aide, told Israel Radio that Netanyahu's entourage was receiving updates all morning from British security officials, and "we have also asked to change our plans."

Netanyahu had been scheduled to stay in London until Sunday, but that could change, Gilad said.

I really don't know what to make of this.

I'd heard reports of this earlier but I hadn't known it was official. I figured it was similar to the crap that was being spewed about how Israel pulled its people from the WTC before the attacks.

This angers me. Why were the Israelis warned but no warnings going out to the general public?

Conjur, before you start making all kinds of crazy allegations, consider that perhaps scotland yard informed the israeli embassy because of the nature of the warnings they had. Perhaps the warnings they recieved were targeted for the israelis or netanyahu who was going to be making a speech. I dont think scotland yard has some kind of conspiracy to protect the israelis before their own metro riders.

There were zero allegations in my OP. Merely curious thoughts. The official didn't mention anything about attacks specifically targeting the Israelis.

 

[Czar]

wtf?
the decline in terrorism in Israel is because of the cease fire and the wall, nothing else

this can be clearly shown here
http://www.mepc.org/public_asp/resources/mrates.asp

there have been two times a cease fire has been declared, once around september 2003 and then march 2005

and the wall has two purposes, people should know and thats it to secure the "border" against terrorist attacks inside israel and to annex land (will write more about this when i get back from denmark, here is an old thread I wrote about it, expect a simmilar one soon, http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview...atid=52&threadid=1606046&enterthread=y )

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: linkgoron

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: raildogg
Israel has been going through this terrorist ordeal for decades, with constant bus bombings and suicide bombings. Hope that doesn't carry on over to other western countries. I'm afraid that it might.

But also remember that Israel answers back with overwhelming force after each attack and kills terrorists and assassinates their leaders. That hasn't worked in the past, maybe it is working right now. Seen any recent bombings in Israel?

Perhaps that big-ass, illegal wall has something to do with it? Is Britain supposed to build a wall around the entire island?

Here's what's happened in just the last year there:
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Terrorism/victims.html

July 4, 2004 - Victor Kreiderman, 49, of Mevo Dotan, was ambushed and shot to death by Aksa Martyrs Brigades terrorists as he and his wife were driving near the village of Yabad. His wife, Emma, was lightly wounded.

July 11, 2004 - Sgt. Ma'ayan Na'im, 19, of Bat Yam, was murdered and 33 others were wounded when a bomb exploded at a bus stop in downtown Tel Aviv at about 7 a.m. One person was critically wounded, four were moderately wounded, and the rest were lightly hurt.

Aug 13, 2004 - Shlomo Miller, 50, of Itamar in Samaria was killed by a Palestinian terrorist who opened fire outside the settlement gate. The The Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility.

Aug 31, 2004 - Sixteen people were killed and 100 wounded in two suicide bombings within minutes of each other on two Beersheba city buses, on route nos. 6 and 12. The buses were traveling along Beersheba's main street, Rager Blvd, near the city hall. Hamas in Hebron claimed responsibility for the attack. The victims, all residents of Beersheba: Shoshana Amos, 64; Aviel Atash, 3; Vitaly Brodsky, 52; Tamara Dibrashvilli, 70; Raisa Forer, 55; Larisa Gomanenko, 48; Denise Hadad, 50; Tatiana Kortchenko, 49; Rosita Lehman, 45; Karine Malka, 23; Nargiz Ostrovsky, 54; Maria Sokolov, 57; Roman Sokolovsky, 53; Tekele Tiroyaient, 33; Eliyahu Uzan, 58; Emmanuel Yosef (Yosefov), 28.

Sept 22, 2004 - Two Border Policemen - Lance Cpl. Menashe Komemi, 19, of Moshav Aminadav and Lance Cpl. Mamoya Tahio, 20, of Rehovot - were killed and 17 Israelis wounded in a suicide bombing carried out by a female terrorist at the French Hill junction hitchhiking post in northern Jerusalem. The Fatah al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.

Sept 23, 2004 - Capt. Tal Bardugo, 22, of Jerusalem, St.-Sgt. Nir Sami, 21, of Jerusalem, and St.-Sgt. Israel Lutati, 20, of Neve Dekalim were killed by several Palestinian terrorists, armed with AK-47 assault riffles and hand grenades, who infiltrated the military post near the community of Morag in the southern Gaza Strip. Another soldier and a journalist were also wounded in the exchange of fire in which the terrorists were killed. Two Fatah-related terror groups and the Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.

Sept 24, 2004 - Tiferet Tratner, 24, of Jerusalem was killed in her home in Neve Dekalim by a mortar strike on the Gush Katif settlement bloc in the Gaza Strip.

Sept 29, 2004 - Dorit Aniso, 2, and Yuval Abebeh, 4, both of Sderot, were killed by a Kassam rocket fired from Gaza while playing in the street. Some 20 people were wounded. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

Sept 30, 2004 - St.-Sgt. Gilad Fisher, 22, of Mitzpeh Hoshaya, was killed before dawn when Hamas terrorists, under cover of heavy fog, attacked an IDF lookout post east of Beit Hanoun in the Gaza Strip. Two other soldiers were wounded. The terrorists were killed.

Sept 30, 2004 - Shlomit Batito, 36, of Nissanit, was shot and killed by Hamas terrorists while jogging on the road. Sgt. Victor Ariel, 20, of Kadima, a medic, was killed by a grenade thrown by one of the terrorists as he ran to aid Batito. The terrorists were killed by soldiers.

Oct 6, 2004 - Pratheep Nanongkham, 24, a greenhouse worker from Maha Sarakham province in Thailand, was killed when armed terrorists infiltrated the hothouse area of Kfar Darom in the central Gaza Strip. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

Oct 7, 2004 - A total of 32 people were killed in terror bombings at two Sinai holiday resorts frequented by Israelis: 29 at the Taba Hilton and three at Ras a-Satan. Among the dead were 12 Israelis; over 120 were wounded. The Israeli victims at Taba: Assaf Greenwald, 27, of Ramat Gan; Hafez al-Hafi, 39, of Lod; Rotem Moriah, 27, of Tel Aviv; Tzila Niv, 43, and her two sons, Gilad, 11, and Lior, 3, of Rakefet; Oleg Paizakov, 32, and his wife Ludmilla, 30, of Bat Yam; and Khalil Zeitounya, 10, of Jaffa. The Israeli victims at Ras a-Satan: Michal Alexander, 27, of Ganei Tikva; Roy Avisaf, 28, of Kfar Sava; and Einat Naor, 27, of Kibbutz Zikim.

Oct 19, 2004 - St.-Sgt. Yair Nisim Turgemann, 22, of Kiryat Arba, was killed at an IDF base near Mevo Dotan in Samaria when Palestinian gunmen opened fire from Palestinian territory west of the community. The Fatah Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.

Oct 21, 2004 - Sgt.-Maj. Moshe Almaliach, 35, of Dimona, a career NCO in the IDF engineering corps, was killed by a bomb explosion While conducting construction work on the Philadelphi road in the Gaza Strip. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

Oct 28, 2004 - Sgt. Michael Chizhik, 21, of Tiberias was killed and six other soldiers wounded in a mortar shell attack on an IDF outpost at Morag in the southern Gaza Strip. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

Nov 1, 2004 - Three people were killed and over 30 wounded in a suicide bombing at the Carmel Market in central Tel Aviv. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine in Nablus claimed responsibility for the attack, carried out by Amar Alfar, 18, from Askar refugee camp in Nablus. The victims: Tatiana Ackerman, 32, of Tel Aviv; Leah Levine, 64, of Givatayim; and Shmuel Levy, 65, of Jaffa.

Dec 7, 2004 - St.-Sgt. Nadav Kudinski, 20, of Kiryat Gat of the Oketz canine unit was killed by a bomb, along with his dog, when a booby-trapped chicken coup exploded northwest of the Karni Corssing in the Gaza Strip. Four soldiers were wounded in the exchange of fire while evacuating him. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

Dec 12, 2004 - Five IDF soldiers were killed and five wounded when a tunnel filled with 1.5 tons of explosives were detonated under an IDF post at the Rafah crossing, followed by the infiltration of the post by two terrorists who opened fire and activated another explosive device. Hamas and the Fatah Hawks claimed responsibility for the attack. The soldiers killed: Sgt. Araf Azbarga, 19, of Kseifeh; Sgt. Sa'id Jahaja, 19, of Arara; Sgt. Hussein Abu Leil, 23, of Ein Mahal; Corp. Adham Shehada, 19, of Turan; and Sgt. Tarek al-Ziadne, 20, of Rahat.

Dec 14, 2004 - Jitladda Tap-arsa, 19, a female agricultural worker from Udon Thani?s Nong Han district in northereastern Thailand, was killed and two other foreign workers from Thailand and Nepal were wounded by mortar shells fired at Ganei Tal in the Gush Katif settlement bloc from the Gaza Strip.

Dec 21, 2004 - Ariella Fahima, 39, of Moshav Nehusha, south of Beit Shemesh, was stabbed to death at the door to her house, apparently by a terrorist who infiltrated the perimeter fence.

Dec 22, 2004 - Salem (Sami) al-Kimlat, 28, a Bedouin from the town of Rahat employed as a security guard at the construction site of the security fence west of Hebron, was shot and killed by Palestinian terrorists. The Fatah al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.

Jan 2, 2005 - Nissim Arbiv, 25, of Nissanit in the Gaza Strip was mortally wounded in a mortar shell attack while working in the Erez Industrial Zone. He died of his wounds on January 11. Two others were wounded in the attack, for which Hamas claimed responsibility.

Jan 7, 2005 - St.-Sgt. Yosef (Yossi) Atia, 21, of Petah Tikva, was killed and three fellow off-duty soldiers were wounded when Palestinian gunmen opened fire on their car on the Trans-Samaria Highway. The Fatah al-Aksa Martyrs Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.

Jan 12, 2005 - Gideon Rivlin, 50, of Ganei Tal was killed and three IDF soldiers were wounded when a bomb was detonated as a military vehicle patroled the route near Morag in the southern Gaza Strip. Two terrorists were killed by IDF forces. The area was booby-trapped with explosive devices, in addition to the bomb that exploded. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.

Jan 13, 2005 - On Thursday night, shortly before the closing of the Karni Crossing, terrorists activated an explosive device on the Palestinian side, blowing a hole in the door through which Palestinian terrorists infiltrated the Israeli side of the crossing and opened fire at Israeli civilians. As a result of the explosion and exchanges of fire, six Israeli civilians and three Palestinian terrorists were killed, and five Israeli civilians were wounded. Hamas and the Fatah al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed joint responsiblity for the attack. The victims: Dror Gizri, 30, of Sderot; Ibrahim Kahili, 46, of Umm al-Ghanem; Munam Abu Sabia, 33, of Daburiyeh; Ivan Shmilov, 53, of Sderot; Herzl Shlomo, 51, of Sderot; and Ofer Tiri, 23, of Ashkelon.

Jan 15, 2005 - Ayala-Haya (Ella) Abukasis, 17, of Sderot was mortally wounded when a Qassam rocket landed near her and shrapnel penetrated her cerebellum, leaving her brain dead. She was struck while protecting her younger brother, who was lightly wounded. Kept on life support throughout the week, her parents agreed to stop treatment when doctors told them there was no chance of recovery. She died on January 21.

Jan 18, 2005 - Oded Sharon, 36, from Gan Yavne, an ISA officer, was killed, an IDF officer seriously wounded, and four IDF soldiers and three members of the ISA were lightly wounded in a suicide bombing attack at the Gush Katif junction in the central Gaza Strip. While search procedures were being implemented at a post at the junction, the suicide bomber with explosives strapped to his body detonated himself. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

Feb 25, 2005 - Five people were killed and 50 wounded Friday night, when a suicide bomber blew himself up outside the Stage club on the Tel Aviv promenade at around 11:20 P.M., on the corner of Herbert Samuel and Yonah Hanavi streets. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack. The victims: Yitzhak Buzaglo, 40, of Mishmar Hayarden; Aryeh Nagar, 37, of Kfar Sava; Yael Orbach, 28, of Rehovot; Ronen Ruevenov, 30, of Tel Aviv. Odelia Hubara, 26, of Jerusalem, died of her wounds on February 28.

May 2, 2005 - St.-Sgt. Dan Talasnikov, 21, of Nir Galim was killed and another soldier lightly wounded in an exchange of fire during an operation to arrest wanted terrorists from the Islamic Jihad in the village of Saida, north of Tulkarem. One of the terrorists, responsible for the February 25 suicide bombing in Tel Aviv, was killed. The second terrorist was apprehended.

June 7, 2005 - Three workers were killed and five wounded when a Qassam rocket hit a packing shed in Ganei Tal, in the Gaza Strip, penetrating the building's roof and exploding indoors. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack. The Chinese worker killed has been identified as Bi Shude, 46, from Jilin province in northeastern China. The Palestinian workers killed were Salah Ayash Imran, 57, of Khan Yunis, married and the father of 8, and Muhammed Mahmoud Jaroun, of Khan Yunis.

I think Abbas is a great improvement over Arafat and that has something to do with this, but also Israel's forceful retaliations have sent a message to the terrorists that Israel will not stand for their attacks without any punishment.

I hope England retaliates strongly against anyone, any organization or any country involved.

Yeah, we've seen how effective that's been in Afghanistan and Iraq. :roll:

You sir are an idiot.
The decline in terrorisem is mostly thanks to IDF and not the wall. Abas cannot handle the terror in the Palestinian community, and Israel has to defend itself. You've got a better idea? A wall may not be the perfect solution, but the unless you want Israel to tranfer all Palestinians to arab countries, or kill all the Palestinians, I don't think there is a better solution. Peace talks don't work when the other side wants you dead.

Oh, that's a great way to start off a response.

Fvcking troll.

 

[linkgoron]

Wow, so i said idiot... Did you even read what i wrote?

 

[Engineer]

Originally posted by: linkgoron
Wow, so i said idiot... Did you even read what i wrote?

Why should he? You started with a personal flame and that's exactly where I would have ended also.

 

[linkgoron]

Meh, whatever. Call me a troll, easier than actually writing something in reply.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Infohawk
I don't recall conjur blaming jews for the attack...

thats right, the insinuations about the jews and this attack and 9/11 were made by you. your antisemitic views are so thinly veiled you may as well just come out of the closet.

I NEVER INSINUATED JEWS WERE BEHIND THIS ATTACK OR 911. CRITICIZING ISRAEL IS NOT ANTI-SEMITIC.

Read my posts carefully next time. I never said that all jews were saved from WTC.

 

[linkgoron]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Infohawk
I don't recall conjur blaming jews for the attack...

thats right, the insinuations about the jews and this attack and 9/11 were made by you. your antisemitic views are so thinly veiled you may as well just come out of the closet.

I NEVER INSINUATED JEWS WERE BEHIND THIS ATTACK OR 911. CRITICIZING ISRAEL IS NOT ANTI-SEMITIC.

Read my posts carefully next time. I never said that all jews were saved from WTC.

So what exactly are you saying?

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: linkgoron
So what exactly are you saying?

Here's is how you can know. Read my posts in this thread. Closely. Don't jump to conclusions or imagine I think one thing because I say another. If I say I think Israel has spied on the US, that does not mean that I hate all jews. I do not think Israel plotted 9/11 or London.

 

[laFiera]

as always, topic has gone out of topic..... lock!

 

[linkgoron]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: linkgoron
So what exactly are you saying?

Here's is how you can know. Read my posts in this thread. Closely. Don't jump to conclusions or imagine I think one thing because I say another. If I say I think Israel has spied on the US, that does not mean that I hate all jews. I do not think Israel plotted 9/11 or London.

From what I could see you blamed israel of knowing but not saying anthing.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: linkgoron
From what I could see you blamed israel of knowing but not saying anthing.

Knowing WHAT? Which specific quotes are you talking about?

 

[linkgoron]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: linkgoron
From what I could see you blamed israel of knowing but not saying anthing.

Knowing WHAT? Which specific quotes are you talking about?

Knowing about 9/11 before it happened (jews being warned), or London attacks (Netnaynu being warned, which happened after the first blast)

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: linkgoron

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: linkgoron
From what I could see you blamed israel of knowing but not saying anthing.

Knowing WHAT? Which specific quotes are you talking about?

Knowing about 9/11 before it happened (jews being warned), or London attacks (Netnaynu being warned, which happened after the first blast)

_IF_ Israel knew yes I would put blame on Israel. Anyway, I'm not sure where you are going with this.

 

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: linkgoron

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: linkgoron
From what I could see you blamed israel of knowing but not saying anthing.

Knowing WHAT? Which specific quotes are you talking about?

Knowing about 9/11 before it happened (jews being warned), or London attacks (Netnaynu being warned, which happened after the first blast)

If Israel WAS warned about 9/11 how would you feel if THEY didn't warn us also? << just answer the question and don't add anything about what you think I am trying to say..

 

[linkgoron]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: linkgoron

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: linkgoron
From what I could see you blamed israel of knowing but not saying anthing.

Knowing WHAT? Which specific quotes are you talking about?

Knowing about 9/11 before it happened (jews being warned), or London attacks (Netnaynu being warned, which happened after the first blast)

_IF_ Israel knew yes I would put blame on Israel.

From what you wrote I understand that you believe that Israel warned Israelis not to go to the WTC, meaning Israel knew that something was going to happen... Which means that Israel could've warned the US... Really, do you think Israel sent Emails or called thousands of Israelis and told them not to go the WTC and it would've been kept secret?

If Israel WAS warned about 9/11 how would you feel if THEY didn't warn us also? << just answer the question and don't add anything about what you think I am trying to say..

Was that to me?

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: linkgoron

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: Infohawk
I don't recall conjur blaming jews for the attack...

thats right, the insinuations about the jews and this attack and 9/11 were made by you. your antisemitic views are so thinly veiled you may as well just come out of the closet.

I NEVER INSINUATED JEWS WERE BEHIND THIS ATTACK OR 911. CRITICIZING ISRAEL IS NOT ANTI-SEMITIC.

Read my posts carefully next time. I never said that all jews were saved from WTC.

So what exactly are you saying?

he was just slandering the jews by throwing an antisemitic conspiracy out there. its more of the same old history of antisemism where people like him just use conspiracies to blame jews for whatever disaster there is. its pretty obvious what he believes.


and as for warnings. there are always terror threats and warnings during the g8 amoung other events. whether one comes to fruitition and where is completely another matter.

 

[judasmachine]

Originally posted by: borosp1
They cant warn the public of every potential attack. That would cripple most major cities in the world. ..And The WTC story is totally false as many jews died in the WTC towers.

Since when is Israel above sacrificing anyone? Mandatory military service anyone?

 

[TJones2]

Mossad has the best intelligence service going regarding this sort of thing, they knew it was coming just like they did 9/11. That's all I have to say on this matter.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: TJones2
Mossad has the best intelligence service going regarding this sort of thing, they knew it was coming just like they did 9/11. That's all I have to say on this matter.

probably should be. considering there are still successful attacks in israel by palestinian terrorists i guess you are saying they don't even warn themselves?

 

[Trente]

:roll:^infinity

that is all...

 

[morkinva]

Hmm, interesting...:

London Terror Tip-off: Timeline Refutes Israeli Denial

In denying widespread reports that Israeli Finance Minister Benjamin Netanyahu received a warning of the London terrorist attacks "minutes before" they occurred, Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom claims that "After the first explosion, our finance minister received a request not to go anywhere."

The problem with this explanation is that it was only after the third explosion that London police realized they were in the midst of a terrorist attack. Up until that point, authorities thought they were dealing with a series of accidents caused by a power surge, as this timeline from the Australian Times-Herald makes clear:

8.49am (GMT): An incident on the train line between Liverpool Street and Aldgate is reported to British Transport Police.

9.15am: Media reports emergency services called to London's Liverpool Street station after an explosion.

9.24am: Police say the incident was possibly caused by a collision between two trains, a power cut or a power cable exploding. Police report "walking wounded".

9.33am: Passengers told that all underground train services are being suspended because of a power fault across the network.

9.33am: Reports of another incident at Edgware Road station.

9.40am: Police say power surge incidents have occurred on Aldgate, Edgware Road, King's Cross, Old Street and Russell Square stations.

10.02am: Scotland Yard says it is dealing with a "major incident".

10.14am: A witness says that a bus has been ripped apart in an explosion in central London.

10.21am: Scotland Yard reports "multiple explosions".

10.23am: Police confirm an explosion on a bus in Tavistock Place.

10.25am: The BBC's Andrew Marr, with Prime Minister Tony Blair in Scotland, says the PM is "still unsure" whether the explosions are a terrorist attack.

If Netanyahu was told a terrorist attack was underway after the first explosion ? which everyone, including the police, thought was due to a power surge ? then that?s a lot more than the victims of the subsequent explosions were told as they rode the Tube to their doom. Which means the Foreign Minister?s explanation ? Netanyahu was told to stay in his hotel room after the first explosion, rather than show up at the Israeli economic conference at a hotel near Liverpool station ? is entirely consistent with the claim that he was tipped off to what was really going on, while the rest of the city stumbled into disaster and, in some cases, death.

Another account draws a somewhat tighter timeline:

"Authorities said they initially thought the explosions were caused by power surges and were reluctant to activate well-practiced procedures designed to shut down the system in the event of a terrorist attack. But when the third explosion occurred at 9:17 a.m. near the Edgware Road station in west London, it was obvious that a coordinated attack was underway. Seven people were killed in that explosion.

The entire London Underground network shut down immediately afterward."

If we take the original leaker at his (or her) word, Netanyahu was told "minutes before" the first explosion. However, even if we believe Minister Shalom?s account, it still points to a weird anomaly: It took a full hour for the rest of London to find out that they were under attack, and yet Netanyahu was privy to this well before anyone else ? including Prime Minister Tony Blair.

What did Netanyahu know, when did he know it, and how did he know it? Andrew Sullivan can stuff his ethno-religious special pleading: if there is any "canard" more "tired" and "hideous" than anti-Semitism it is the attempt to reduce all inquiries about Israel's behavior to bigotry. These questions deserve honest answers. Why is no one asking them?