Israel Using Chemical Weapons on Civilians in the Gaza Strip

wwswimming

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There were Four threads created to keep the issues categorized.

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http://www.onlinejournal.com/a...ish/article_1502.shtml

Part 1 has 26 different references (information sources quoted in the article)

"The first reports about Israel s new weapon came from Dr Joma Al-Saqqa, chief of the emergency unit at Gaza s largest hospital, Al-Shifa. Dr. Al-Saqqa said that Israel was using a new chemical weapon and its siege was a live exercise on a new ammunition that, so far, has resulted in killing 50 Palestinians and injuring 200. He observed that, despite the damage in internal soft tissue in the bodies of injured people, the fragments were not detected by X-ray. In other words, they had disappeared or dissolved inside the body. [13]

There were usually entry and exit wounds, Dr. Al-Saqqa reported. When the wounds were explored no foreign material was found. There was tissue death, the extent of which was difficult to determine. . . . A higher deep infection rate resulted with subsequent amputation. In spite of amputation there was a higher mortality. The effects of the weapon seemed radioactive. [14] [15]

According to Palestine News Network, Dr. Al-Saqqa confirmed that there were dozens of wounded legs and arms. Many of them had been burned from the inside, and distorted to the point that they cannot return to life again. [16]

When the shrapnel hit the body, it causes very strong burns that destroy the tissues around the bones . . . it burns and destroys internal organs, like the liver, kidneys, and the spleen and other organs and makes saving the wounded almost impossible. As a surgeon, I have seen thousands of wounds during the Intifada, but nothing was like this weapon. [17]"



Part 2 has 22 different references (information sources quoted in the article)

http://www.onlinejournal.com/a...ish/article_1507.shtml

"Italian investigators have reported evidence that the unidentified Israeli weapon is probably Dense Inert Metal Explosives, or DIME, a so-called LCD ( low collateral damage ) weapon developed by the United States Air Force. [3]"

 

dphantom

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Your headline is completely inaccurate, absolutely false. Many modern munitions are using tungsten now in place of depleted uranium.

Those wounds described are typical of high speed shrapnel and warrant no concern.
 

dphantom

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Originally posted by: The Green Bean
The IDF are terrorists and must be eliminated. The arab governments are greedy cowards.

And that makes Pakistanis what?
 

yllus

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Sounds like it's a different (new) type of bomb that's meant to be more lethal than traditional explosives. If you accept that the purpose of dropping bombs is to kill people it's hard to see what should be generating outrage here. Regular bombs are "chemical weapons" too.

Edit: The author of that 'article' is the webmaster of Vermonters for a Just Peace in Palestine/Israel, which seems to be at least slightly biased to one side in this conflict.
 

palehorse

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Originally posted by: dphantom
Your headline is completely inaccurate, absolutely false. Many modern munitions are using tungsten now in place of depleted uranium.
this.

Another sucka born every minute!
 

OCGuy

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Someone didnt realize that he can post this garbage in the official thread.
 

Genx87

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Tungsten has been used for decades. How do you think those Shermans were able to knock out Panthers and Tigers on the Western front?
 
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Why is it that, in regard to this conflict, the vast preponderance of threads that start off with vastly overblown/incorrect/overstated/faked/distorted information, and plain old propaganda, are either pro-Palestinian, anti-Israel, or both? What is up with that, exactly?
 

kylebisme

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Because that is what happens when madmen mislead the world to perpetuate a conflict for decades; people on all sides loose their grasp on reality.
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Because that is what happens when madmen mislead the world to perpetuate a conflict for decades; people on all sides loose their grasp on reality.

I apologize for ever thinking you were radical on this issue Snowman. You represent your side of the issue with actual debate over land, etc. A couple members posting threads with garbage like this do your cause more harm then good. Pretty much like the "kill all palestinians" on the other side.
 

palehorse

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I wonder if wwswimming will return to admit his obvious mistake.

Perhaps he's busy running off to his al-Fajr Media Center controllers to receive his next assignment...
 

SamurAchzar

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Originally posted by: The Green Bean
The IDF are terrorists and must be eliminated. The arab governments are greedy cowards.

Haven't they tried doing that in 48, 56, 67 and 73? Do you need me to give you links describing the results?
 

Jiggz

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Originally posted by: The Green Bean
The IDF are terrorists and must be eliminated. The arab governments are greedy cowards.

There you go again using emotions and belief instead of logic! IDF's are terrorists only to those who disagree with them, the same way that Hamas and Hezbollah are! But as far as who is supposed to be eliminated, we already knew that from the previous wars that IDF won!
 

Kadarin

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OP: OMGNOES!!!1 the IDF is using some kind of new weapon!
The Green Bean: Teh IDF are terrists, teh Arabs must "do something about it"
Everyone Else: Yawn
 

kylebisme

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Originally posted by: Ocguy31
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Because that is what happens when madmen mislead the world to perpetuate a conflict for decades; people on all sides loose their grasp on reality.

I apologize for ever thinking you were radical on this issue Snowman. You represent your side of the issue with actual debate over land, etc. A couple members posting threads with garbage like this do your cause more harm then good. Pretty much like the "kill all palestinians" on the other side.
Not a problem, I understand completely. With our media's portrayal of this conflict it is hard to see people like me as anything but. Like Jon Stewart said on the Daily Show Monday as a crack on our media's flagrantly biased portrayal of this conflict; "It's the mobius strip of issues, it only has one side!"

There is the "death to Israel" side and the "death to Palestine" side. Our media and government leaders are firmly on the "death to Palestine" side, and actively achieving their goal. They do so with callous disregard for the death and destruction it reaps throughout Israel and the Palestinian territory and elsewhere, as they continue to perpetuate this conflict in their mad quest to colonize Palestinian land. They are too busy achieving their goal to bother chanting it in slogans at rallies and writing it into charters, but they are extremists of the same ilk as Hamas.

Then there are those of us working to end this madness; both Israelis and Palestinians, Arabs and Jews, and people all over the world. I'm part of that side, an American who's only skin in this is my tax dollars going to support Israel as they continue perpetuate this conflict, and the blowback we get from terrorists who see those injustices our extremists perpetrate as an excuse to commit their own injustices against us. Those of us trying to put a stop to this madness could use all the help we can get.

If you think you might be willing to chip in, here are some good places to start, all run by Israelis who are working to end this insanity:

http://www.btselem.org/English/

http://zope.gush-shalom.org/index_en.html

http://kibush.co.il/
 

dphantom

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Tungsten has been used for decades. How do you think those Shermans were able to knock out Panthers and Tigers on the Western front?

But only in the rear! :D
 

kylebisme

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The author of that article, Uri Avnery, is a great man who the extremists perpetuating this conflict from our side have shamelessly slandered beyond mention, called for his murder, and one even stabbed him. Avnery is a Jewish man who fled from Nazi Germany in 1933, coming to Palestine to in the hopes of establishing the state of Israel. He first joined a Jewish militia called Irgun, but soon left them in response to their terrorist tactics. He then served Israel in the 1948 war to establish the state, and later served as a representative in the Israeli Parliament, and helped establish Gush-Shalom (Hebrew for "The Peace Bloc"). He has been working long and hard to spread understanding of this conflict in the hopes of bringing it to an end.

I highly recommend checking the archives for more of Avnery's work to better how this madness has gone on for so long. Here is the one about Gaza being 'The Great Experiment' which was mentioned in his most recent article:

http://zope.gush-shalom.org/ho...els/avnery/1160914974/
 

Aimster

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Israel is not using chemical weapons on anyone

If Israel used chemical weapons then that means Israel is gone. Population of Israel will drop every year.
Why? That gives all the Arabs around Israel the right to acquire chemical weapons and use them. Every Arab nation has chemical weapons. Their programs are strong and they have so much of it that they could cause disaster to Israel.

Why the hell would Israel do such a thing?

Don't post garbage
 

mxyzptlk

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Originally posted by: dphantom
Those wounds described are typical of high speed shrapnel and warrant no concern.

LOL, I know it's not the way you intended but damned if that isn't funny.. Oh, I'm goin to hell.
 

nixium

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Originally posted by: TheSnowman
The author of that artcile, Uri Avnery, is a great man who the extremists perpetuating this conflict from our side have shamelessly slandered beyond mention, called for his murder, and one even stabbed him. Avnery is a Jewish man who fled from Nazi Germany in 1933, coming to Palestine to in the hopes of establishing the state of Israel. He first joined a Jewish militia called Irgun, but soon left them in response to their terrorist tactics. He then served Israel in the 1948 war to establish the state, and later served as a representative in the Israeli Parliament, and helped establish Gush-Shalom (Hebrew for "The Peace Bloc"). He has been working long and hard to spread understanding of this conflict in the hopes of bringing it to an end.

I highly recommend checking the archives for more of Avnery's work to better how this madness has gone on for so long. Here is the one about Gaza being 'The Great Experiment' which was mentioned in his most recent article:

http://zope.gush-shalom.org/ho...els/avnery/1160914974/

I agree. I've been following his articles for a while now, ever since I started reading about this conflict. One of the few - and dwindling - voices of reason, IMO.
 

halik

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tungsten tipped ammo is common... it doesn't cause leukemia unlike spent uranium rounds.