Israel trying out new torture/interrogation methods that may find their way to America

[dahunan]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Aimster
Are the same practices applied to the Jews?

No, Arabs just blow the Jews up.

Your neighbor committed a crime so now here I come with my bulldozer to destroy his home and yours... TOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BAD... what ya gonna do about it... eh?

Report the next neighbor I live next to who plans to blow up a disco?

DING DING DING! We have a winner!

You are on crack if you think that is what YOU would do... YOU.. would go John Rambo on their ass... and don't lie

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Aimster
Are the same practices applied to the Jews?

No, Arabs just blow the Jews up.

Your neighbor committed a crime so now here I come with my bulldozer to destroy his home and yours... TOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BAD... what ya gonna do about it... eh?

Report the next neighbor I live next to who plans to blow up a disco?

DING DING DING! We have a winner!

You are on crack if you think that is what YOU would do... YOU.. would go John Rambo on their ass... and don't lie

I do not even understand the question...?

I honestly have no idea what I would do in their situation; because, fortunately, my neighbors do not spend their weekends blowing up women and children.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Aimster
Are the same practices applied to the Jews?

No, Arabs just blow the Jews up.

Your neighbor committed a crime so now here I come with my bulldozer to destroy his home and yours... TOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BAD... what ya gonna do about it... eh?

Report the next neighbor I live next to who plans to blow up a disco?

DING DING DING! We have a winner!

You are on crack if you think that is what YOU would do... YOU.. would go John Rambo on their ass... and don't lie

I do not even understand the question...?

I honestly have no idea what I would do in their situation; because, fortunately, my neighbors do not spend their weekends blowing up women and children.

Are your neighbors in Iraq and Afghanistan?😉

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: palehorse74
That said, any accusations of physical abuse, such as beatings, should be thoroughly investigated, and any perpetrators should be punished accordingly.

What about dressing them up as prisoners or putting them in handcuffs? All this is meant to force a confession out of the accused. IMHO, it's psychological torture because you feel the guilt of putting your family behind bars and that can force you to do or say things you never intended.

Kid gloves... we all need smiley face masks and kid gloves to get confessions.

Or do you actually have something reasonable to suggest after banishing anything uncomfortable?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
How will God judge these people and their supporters when they die?

With 100 virgins, what else?

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: palehorse74
That said, any accusations of physical abuse, such as beatings, should be thoroughly investigated, and any perpetrators should be punished accordingly.

What about dressing them up as prisoners or putting them in handcuffs? All this is meant to force a confession out of the accused. IMHO, it's psychological torture because you feel the guilt of putting your family behind bars and that can force you to do or say things you never intended.

Kid gloves... we all need smiley face masks and kid gloves to get confessions.

Or do you actually have something reasonable to suggest after banishing anything uncomfortable?

Well, the next time you get arrested, how about the cops bring in your younger brother/sister, cuffed, and see how you like it? How about they let you go and punish them insyead. Let's see how you like it.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: palehorse74
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That said, I think we've gone off on a tangent. I still dont believe that the actions described in the OP are "torture." (arresting and parading the family members in front of a suspect, etc).

It's pretty damn ruthless, but it ain't torture.

It's probably not torture, but your definition of it as a valid interrogation technique is making a LOT of assumptions. If family members are suspected as accomplices, arresting them and "accidentally" having them run into the suspect at the police station is perfectly OK and something that goes on in US police stations all the time. But if the Israelis are just arresting your family members to soften you up, or if they are implying that they will hurt your family if you don't confess, that's not an OK interrogation method. It's all about context, which this article doesn't provide a lot of.

 

[fallout man]

The apple does not fall too far from the tree.

I'm really </sarcasm> happy that I'm paying for this bullshit with my tax dollars. Go Democracy!!!!1

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: fallout man
The apple does not fall too far from the tree.

I'm really </sarcasm> happy that I'm paying for this bullshit with my tax dollars. Go Democracy!!!!1

Interesting. I never knew this about Israeli history. They are no better than the Palestinians.

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: fallout man
The apple does not fall too far from the tree.

I'm really </sarcasm> happy that I'm paying for this bullshit with my tax dollars. Go Democracy!!!!1

Interesting. I never knew this about Israeli history. They are no better than the Palestinians.

Me too.

Welcome aboard.

 

[cumhail]

Originally posted by: fallout man

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: fallout man
The apple does not fall too far from the tree.

I'm really </sarcasm> happy that I'm paying for this bullshit with my tax dollars. Go Democracy!!!!1

Interesting. I never knew this about Israeli history. They are no better than the Palestinians.

Me too.

Welcome aboard.

Seriously? It's been discussed in this forum on several occasions. And in addition to the Stern Gang, which at one time was led by future Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir, one might also take note of another cooperating terrorist organization, the Irgun, which had future Prime Minister Menachem Begin as one of its commanders.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun

If you check the Oxford English Dictionary, in fact, you'll find that for the modern definition of terrorism, they use as a defining example Irgun's 1946 bombing of the King David Hotel (at the time under Begin's leadership).

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: fallout man

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: fallout man
The apple does not fall too far from the tree.

I'm really </sarcasm> happy that I'm paying for this bullshit with my tax dollars. Go Democracy!!!!1

Interesting. I never knew this about Israeli history. They are no better than the Palestinians.

Me too.

Welcome aboard.

From your link:

"As a group that never had over a few hundred members..."

I guess Fred Phelps = all christians? You guys are Lame.

 

[cumhail]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: fallout man

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: fallout man
The apple does not fall too far from the tree.

I'm really </sarcasm> happy that I'm paying for this bullshit with my tax dollars. Go Democracy!!!!1

Interesting. I never knew this about Israeli history. They are no better than the Palestinians.

Me too.

Welcome aboard.

From your link:

"As a group that never had over a few hundred members..."

I guess Fred Phelps = all christians? You guys are Lame.

Ah, but which members? Or do you think that Fred Phelp's occupies a similar place in our nation's history (or his faith's, if you prefer) as does Yitzhak Shamir in his?

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: palehorse74
The "trickery" involving family members should NOT be considered "torture" unless there is physical abuse against the prisoners or any members of their family.

How is it unreasonable to bring in his family members for questioning?!

"Trickery," such as letting the family members cross paths in the waiting rooms, is perfectly acceptable. Most legal interrogations involve some form of trickery or incentive -- including the manipulation of individual perceptions and implied repercussions, etc.

That said, any accusations of physical abuse, such as beatings, should be thoroughly investigated, and any perpetrators should be punished accordingly.

What about dressing them up as prisoners or putting them in handcuffs? All this is meant to force a confession out of the accused. IMHO, it's psychological torture because you feel the guilt of putting your family behind bars and that can force you to do or say things you never intended.

Isn't that the point?

Like I said, most legal interrogations involve some form of psychological gaming -- ie. confusing the subject, false implications, perception manipulation, etc.

ie.

"If you don't tell us where the defensive positions are, all of your friends might die when we're forced to shoot and bomb the entire village. I don't want that to happen, so please tell me where the insurgents are hiding, and you and I can have them captured instead of killed..."

or

"If you don't cooperate, we'll let all the other prisoners see you receive extra food, extra meals, more privileges, etc... and we both know what they'll be thinking then..."

or

/slowly tear up a photo of his wife... then a photo of the kids... throw the pieces on the floor... walk away saying "Get used to missing them..."

You get the point... arresting, questioning, and then releasing the parents may, or may not, have the same type of effects. It also still seems reasonable for investigative purposes. Why can't they be arrested and questioned as accomplices or fellow suspects? 😕

You're missing the point, which is that a coerced confession is meaningless, and at the same time an assault on the liberty. You need to lay off the 24.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: Aimster
Are the same practices applied to the Jews?

No, Arabs just blow the Jews up.

Your neighbor committed a crime so now here I come with my bulldozer to destroy his home and yours... TOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BAD... what ya gonna do about it... eh?

Report the next neighbor I live next to who plans to blow up a disco?

DING DING DING! We have a winner!

You are on crack if you think that is what YOU would do... YOU.. would go John Rambo on their ass... and don't lie

I do not even understand the question...?

I honestly have no idea what I would do in their situation; because, fortunately, my neighbors do not spend their weekends blowing up women and children.

I hope some day you end up in prison for a long time because some corrupt small town cops coerced you to confess to a crime you didn't commit by threatening to rape your family.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
I hope some day you end up in prison for a long time because some corrupt small town cops coerced you to confess to a crime you didn't commit by threatening to rape your family.

LAWL! Are you wearing clown-shoes?!

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: palehorse74

Originally posted by: Throckmorton
I hope some day you end up in prison for a long time because some corrupt small town cops coerced you to confess to a crime you didn't commit by threatening to rape your family.

LAWL! Are you wearing clown-shoes?!

Are you trying to make a funny? Your attempt at funny is not funny.

Stick to being an expert in counter-insurgency, or whatever it is you do.

There's no reason to re-state the obvious... again. Israel doesn't give a shit about human rights, and that kind of attitude is like a very potent virus. I'm afraid that we (Americans) have already caught it, and will have a hell of a time as a culture of getting rid of the disease.

This disease takes root not overnight, but over years. Look back at your post in a decade, and we can both have a reminiscent chuckle about it--or perhaps not, since it might be your hired goon boot at my throat.

If it's OK for our most steadfast allies (lol) to treat people as subhumans, it wont's take much until the same rules are extended to your backyard. After all, hey--those were "effective tactics which were not condembed by the dickless international community."

Don't be delusional. You cannot take back rights you forfeit to your master without spilling blood.