Israel takes first halting step to admitting guilt in Gaza

[EagleKeeper]

Isreal has continually demonstrated that they will turn the other cheek up to a point.
The Palestinian militants (those that do not want peace) continually want to test that limit. Then when that limit is reached, they complain, ignoring the provocation that came before.

When have the Palestinians attempted to to treat Israel with the same tolerance?

 

[fallout man]

This is why they have formed humans shields of the women, the children, the elderly

Shalom!!!1

 

[Noobtastic]

Shalom!!!1

this is not a response.

israeli soldiers dont camp in jewish homes or use civilian vehicles (aka ambulances) for warfare. hamas embedds themselves among civilians and then bitches when israel considers them a legitimate target.

DUH.

 

[fallout man]

this is not a response.

israeli soldiers dont camp in jewish homes or use civilian vehicles (aka ambulances) for warfare. hamas embedds themselves among civilians and then bitches when israel considers them a legitimate target.

DUH.

The IDF is a far more evolved and structured military machine than Hamas or Hizbullah could ever hope to be. In fact, my understanding is that the IDF is a proper military of the "biggest beacon of Democracy in the Middle East." Hamas and Hizbullah are insurgents--they fight from where they live, just as any insurgent group (including the Irgun) has done in the past. You're also neglecting the fact that Gaza is one of the most densely-populated places in the world (which is of course all lies, because 1 Israeli civilian is roughly equal to 100 Palestinian "civilians" based on Israeli policy and rhetoric--AMIRITE?!). Edit: Everyone Knows This.

Please, try to Hasbara-away for all of us here how the "good neigbor" policy the IDF is routinely employing and sweeps under the rug is NOT use of "human shields." You know, the whole "human shields" argument is still valid if you're using the "enemy civilians" as a human shield. Humor us with an effort to keep up with the adults here, chief.

Also, since I decided to include the picture of nice Israeli girls autographing artillery shells at an IDF launch site: Please tell me if you'd consider these nice Israeli girls to be "legitimate targets" or "civilian human shields" if a Hizbullah rocket hit that particular launch site during the conflict.

 

[Dari]

Those are interesting pics. But this is probably accepted in Israel whereas it is absolutely illegal in the West...

 

[fallout man]

Also, since I decided to include the picture of nice Israeli girls autographing artillery shells at an IDF launch site: Please tell me if you'd consider these nice Israeli girls to be "legitimate targets" or "civilian human shields" if a Hizbullah rocket hit that particular launch site during the conflict.

Bueller?

Bueller?

 

[SamurAchzar]

The IDF is a far more evolved and structured military machine than Hamas or Hizbullah could ever hope to be. In fact, my understanding is that the IDF is a proper military of the "biggest beacon of Democracy in the Middle East." Hamas and Hizbullah are insurgents--they fight from where they live, just as any insurgent group (including the Irgun) has done in the past.

Typical Hizballah "insurgents":

Whats ironic is that Hizballah is better armed and trained than the army of Lebanon, yet when the shit hits the fan, they all crawl out of their parade uniforms like snakes.

You're also neglecting the fact that Gaza is one of the most densely-populated places in the world (which is of course all lies, because 1 Israeli civilian is roughly equal to 100 Palestinian "civilians" based on Israeli policy and rhetoric--AMIRITE?!). Edit: Everyone Knows This.

Who was the first to establish this exchange ratio? Besides, you're not very up to date, it has now become 1:1000 with the demands of Hamas on the Shalit deal.

Please, try to Hasbara-away for all of us here how the "good neigbor" policy the IDF is routinely employing and sweeps under the rug is NOT use of "human shields." You know, the whole "human shields" argument is still valid if you're using the "enemy civilians" as a human shield. Humor us with an effort to keep up with the adults here, chief.

Lets backtrack for a second and think what the fuck do Israeli soldiers do inside Gaza anyway, instead of bombing from the air. Oh, possibly they are trying to minimize civilian causalities? Couldn't be, those animal Zionists!

Also, since I decided to include the picture of nice Israeli girls autographing artillery shells at an IDF launch site: Please tell me if you'd consider these nice Israeli girls to be "legitimate targets" or "civilian human shields" if a Hizbullah rocket hit that particular launch site during the conflict.

The picture was not taken at any "launch site", it's an open day for the public at military bases on each Israeli independence day (Nakba for you).

Anyway, since you brought this up:

And here is my favorite:

That's actually a real photograph. This Hamas freedom fighter above came to an IDF checkpoint with a clear aim to blow himself up. IDF evil Zionist soldiers, instead of shooting him on sight, made him take it off, saving his life, and risking themselves in the process.

You see, it's easy: Above all, one side of the conflict is part of the modern civilization, the other one is a nation of backwards, self-detonating mindless Muslim barbarians with a negative contribution to the world. This is why Hasbara or not, it is very easy to take sides here.

 

[Noobtastic]

The IDF is a far more evolved and structured military machine than Hamas or Hizbullah could ever hope to be. In fact, my understanding is that the IDF is a proper military of the "biggest beacon of Democracy in the Middle East." Hamas and Hizbullah are insurgents--they fight from where they live, just as any insurgent group (including the Irgun) has done in the past. You're also neglecting the fact that Gaza is one of the most densely-populated places in the world (which is of course all lies, because 1 Israeli civilian is roughly equal to 100 Palestinian "civilians" based on Israeli policy and rhetoric--AMIRITE?!). Edit: Everyone Knows This.

This is a joke.

Hezbollah and Hamas are terrorist organizations that purposefully embed themselves in civilian areas to deter Israeli attack. Gaza is a densley populated area (not the most in the world), but the doesn't change the fact that Hamas openly recruits women and children in combat and mixes in among civilian populations to confuse Israeli soldiers and inflate casualties so useful leftist idiots like yourself become lobbyists for Jihadists.

Dropping millions of leaflets, phoning homes, and just the general military strategy of Israel is simply inconsistent with the policies of competing nations.

India, Saudi Arabia, Russia, United States, and the Arab countries do not do HALF of what Israel does for its enemies.

And look at the casualties. In Iraq civilians outnumber combatants by a factor of 6. In Chechnya, overwhelming majority of casualties are civilian. The Saudis simply carpet bomb entire neighborhoods. Just last month 100 were killed, and the Yemeni government killed 30 people last weekend.

Propotional force is based on military objectives, not body count. Israel values the lives of its citizens and has one of the most advanced civil defense programs in the World. Every day a bomb is found on the beach, a suicide plot is foiled, attacks everywhere.

America is still going crazy over the silly airplane hijacking.

Well that's one week of terror in Israel.

Just yesterday several unexploded bombs were found near the beach designed to attack the Israeli Navy. Barely made the news.

Now you think if Al-Qaeda were to try an attack the US navy, would it not be all over world media 24/7 for 3 months?

And look what Israel is doing now. SUBSIDIZING GAZA. Israeli soldiers were deliverying insulin to diabetic Gazans because the aid stations closed up during the conflict. HOW MANY AMERICAN MARINES HAVE HAND-DELIVERED AID TO THE ENEMY, DURING WAR?

Zero.

If your moral standard is Israel then you better consider moving to the Moon or else you're nothing but a Jew bashing leftist troll.

 

[fallout man]

this is a joke.

America is still going crazy over the silly airplane hijacking.

wow.

 

[Noobtastic]

wow.

Oh, I see.

When America is victim to terrorism the answer is "wow."

Better go bomb some more Afghanis....for peace.

 

[SamurAchzar]

wow.

Very convincing points you have there. So who's the chief of the ATOT Martyer Brigades, you or wwswimming?

 

[fallout man]

The picture was not taken at any "launch site", it's an open day for the public at military bases on each Israeli independence day (Nakba for you).

BULLSHIT.

ISRAEL LEBANON BORDER, ISRAEL: Israeli girls write messages in Hebrew on shells ready to be fire by mobile artillery unit toward Hezbollah targets in southern Lebanon 17 July 2006, at a military staging area along the northern Israeli border with Lebanon. Prime Minister Ehud Olmert vowed today to continue Israel's punishing twin offensive against the 'terrorists' of Hezbollah and Hamas, declaring his country was facing a 'moment of truth'. At least 47 people were killed in Israeli strikes in Lebanon today and 10 more bodies found, pushing the death toll from the Israeli offensive to more than 200 over the past six days. The overall toll now comprises 195 civilians and 12 soldiers killed in Lebanon since 12 July, medics and police said. Nine of the 12 soldiers were killed today. More than 440 people have been wounded. AFP PHOTO/PEDRO UGARTE (Photo credit should read PEDRO UGARTE/AFP/Getty Images)

Very convincing points you have there. So who's the chief of the ATOT Martyer Brigades, you or wwswimming?

Snappy come-back there, Ace!

 

[SamurAchzar]

Snappy come-back there, Ace!

Come back from what, you idiot? Look at who you are defending, brain-dead self-detonating human lemmings who contribute exactly zero to the world. One thing I'll give them though, they sure manage to get the sympathy of the stupid and naive. Go strap some explosives on, boy.

 

[Zebo]

Jews are portrayed as the eternal enemies of Allah, and the killing of Jews is Allah's will. But no matter how many times it's said on Muslim TV stations, by their leaders, Imams, and shown demonstratively throughout the centuries including Mo himself, the 'perfect man', the prophet, who massacred thousands of jews, people, even stupid Jewish people, still refuse to believe it. Instead they believe the redefined reasons for conflict, as one over borders, for western consumption, instead of a religious war in which compromise is heretical. About half of Israeli has a suicidal death wish.

 

[Craig234]

Come back from what, you idiot? Look at who you are defending, brain-dead self-detonating human lemmings who contribute exactly zero to the world. One thing I'll give them though, they sure manage to get the sympathy of the stupid and naive. Go strap some explosives on, boy.

So, you stated as fact the picture was on a one day a year open house. He responded with a caption saying that was wrong. Were you wrong? If so, why did you ignore his response?

 

[Lemon law]

One can choose to believe the over simplistic Zebo version of "Jews are portrayed as the eternal enemies of Allah, and the killing of Jews is Allah's will."

One can choose to understand other roots of the Arab, Israeli Palestinian conflict.

Or equally we can say that Jews are even more racist because they favor only themselves and will Brutalize Arabs, Christians, and Palestinians equally.

The point being the existing Israeli policy is heading for a long term train wreck, and Jews, Christians, Arabs, and Palestinians are all capable of wiser long term policies.

The other point to make in the immensely old History of the Holy land, is that no group
has ever been able to pig the Holy Land for Long. Dominant groups come and go in a short 100-150 year time frame, but is it possible, to have sharing instead for a damn change? And actually have the Holy Land be a peaceful place for a damn change?

 

[Ozoned]

One can choose to believe the over simplistic Zebo version of "Jews are portrayed as the eternal enemies of Allah, and the killing of Jews is Allah's will."

One can choose to understand other roots of the Arab, Israeli Palestinian conflict.

Or equally we can say that Jews are even more racist because they favor only themselves and will Brutalize Arabs, Christians, and Palestinians equally.

The point being the existing Israeli policy is heading for a long term train wreck, and Jews, Christians, Arabs, and Palestinians are all capable of wiser long term policies.

The other point to make in the immensely old History of the Holy land, is that no group
has ever been able to pig the Holy Land for Long. Dominant groups come and go in a short 100-150 year time frame, but is it possible, to have sharing instead for a damn change? And actually have the Holy Land be a peaceful place for a damn change?

There is only one cause. Israel exists as a state, and as a strong political force on the Island of Muhammed.

The two religions view each other as an existential threat.

Neither will cede without a strong external force. That is what you advocate, even though there isn't one strong enough. Of course JMHO...

 

[Zebo]

One can choose to believe the over simplistic Zebo version of "Jews are portrayed as the eternal enemies of Allah, and the killing of Jews is Allah's will."

Book 041, Number 6985:

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/...ts/muslim/hadith/muslim/041.smt.html#041.6981

Scriptures say it, Mo did it, and they continue to say and do it. Should be simple unless you wish to obfuscate it due to it's obvious repulsiveness.

 

[SamurAchzar]

So, you stated as fact the picture was on a one day a year open house. He responded with a caption saying that was wrong. Were you wrong? If so, why did you ignore his response?

I might have been wrong, although the chances of little girls hanging around an artillery launch site are as slim as cheerleaders patrolling routes in Baghdad - first because it's under rocket range, and second because of the immense noise these places make.

 

[Lemon law]

What Zebo ignores in saying, "Scriptures say it, Mo did it, and they continue to say and do it. Should be simple unless you wish to obfuscate it due to it's obvious repulsiveness."

Its the simple fact that existing Israeli policy is equally repulsive that must be recognized also.

We can all choose to dwell in that distant past or we can say, its a modern world and we can all do better. Simply because human intellect is always capable of change.

The longer sweep of history demonstrates that humans progress, and Zebo asserts humans are always locked in an immutable past. Always doomed to repeat past counterproductive stupidity.

 

[fallout man]

Come back from what, you idiot? Look at who you are defending, brain-dead self-detonating human lemmings who contribute exactly zero to the world. One thing I'll give them though, they sure manage to get the sympathy of the stupid and naive. Go strap some explosives on, boy.

I was referring to your poorly-worded, deluded, and self-hating tangent where you called me a terrorist sympathizer and/or suicide bomber on account of my Christian values. Oh, and way to throw in the ol' Dixie "boy" in there. I can smell dumb, dull pigs like you from a mile away in real life. Fuck you.

I might have been wrong, although the chances of little girls hanging around an artillery launch site are as slim as cheerleaders patrolling routes in Baghdad - first because it's under rocket range, and second because of the immense noise these places make.

"You spin me round round;
Baby round round;
Like a record baby;
Round round round round."

Riddle me this: would you call these Israeli girls "human shields" if God-forbid they were killed by a Hizbullah armament that struck that IDF artillery site during the conflict?

 

[EagleKeeper]

...

Riddle me this: would you call these Israeli girls "human shields" if God-forbid they were killed by a Hizbullah armament that struck that IDF artillery site during the conflict?

If there was intent of using the civilians as a deterent to stop an attack - then they should be classified as such.

 

[fallout man]

If there was intent of using the civilians as a deterent to stop an attack - then they should be classified as such.

When you're shooting fish in a barrel, as the IDF routinely does in Gaza, how do you discern between "using civilians as a deterrent to stop an attack" and innocent civilians being caught in the radius of a disproportionately powerful and indiscriminate weapon in one of the most densely-populated places in the world? Let's not even bother getting into Israeli use of WP (and experimental DIME weapons on civilians)--that would surely derail our little pro-Zion circle-jerk here.

What I'm trying to stress here is that loli in the series of pics were at this clearly recognizable wartime IDF military site by choice (well, and their parents' numb-skullery). Gazan parents and their children don't have the luxury to decide if they're in danger of being a target.

 

[Noobtastic]

When you're shooting fish in a barrel, as the IDF routinely does in Gaza, how do you discern between "using civilians as a deterrent to stop an attack" and innocent civilians being caught in the radius of a disproportionately powerful and indiscriminate weapon in one of the most densely-populated places in the world?

More B.S. Hamas purposely embeds themselves in civilians, mixes in civilian populations, camps in hospitals, homes, recruits women and children in combat, booby-traps elementary schools and seizes ambulances for military purposes, and loots UN aid buildings.

The IDF does not "shoot fish in the barrel" and the gender distribution of casualties, points of aggression, and overall combat policy prove this.

I've said this dozens of times and you've maliciously ignored my post, LOL!

Let's not even bother getting into Israeli use of WP (and experimental DIME weapons on civilians)--that would surely derail our little pro-Zion circle-jerk here.

Nobody uses white phosphorus on civilians.

Israel used no chemical weapons, incendiary, conventional weapons, or Falafel balls on civilians.

What there was is the use of legit smoke shells mark M825, the only artillery ammunition in the IDF's arsenal that contains white phosphorus.

The definition of the M825 smoke shell: "designed to place quick or immediate smoke on a target for either screening enemy forces or for marking a target for further artillery bombardments."

Smoke shells are not used "on" targets (civilian or terrorists) but on an area, to cover maneuvering of forces, in this case, the eviction of injured soldiers from a firefight where they were surrounded by bigger enemy force that used UNWRA facility as a fire position, as Hamas terrorists did so many times in the past (examples? please ask for!).

Such use is not prohibited by international law. Read the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons.

Here is proof that Israel used the M825 smoke shell:

See the M825 to the right of the soldier? SEE IT?!

Gaza War:

Smoke shell exploding above Gaza City. If Israel were to use WP in a weapons-state, the shells would explode on the surface, not above ground. And the M825 cannot explode on the surface.


P.S on a side note, Israel has delivered 10 million dollars to the administration in Gaza as a mere gesture of good will, acknowledging they are not responsible for Hammas's use in their facilities.

Also note that Hamas looted the UNRWA building Israel hit.

You have been owned, now go apologize for Jihad somewhere else.

Try stormfront.com

 

[woolfe9999]

What I'm trying to stress here is that loli in the series of pics were at this clearly recognizable wartime IDF military site by choice (well, and their parents' numb-skullery). Gazan parents and their children don't have the luxury to decide if they're in danger of being a target.

You're right, they don't. So why is Hamas firing rockets across a border at a militarily superior enemy, when they are aware that their enemy's weapons will inevitably kill Palestinian civilians? Hamas are behaving like children, or worse. They're basically saying, we're going to fire at you, but don't fire back, because look, we have high population density here and if you fire back, it's going to cause a humanitarian disaster.

- wolf