Israel Spent(lost) 6.8 Billion In Fighting Hezbollah

Aimster

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These figures do not include military equipment lost , but the cost of fuel, ammo, etc.

Israel is going to ask the U.S for about $2B in military assistance which it will not have to pay back,.

The U.S is going to seriously consider the offer when it is requested.

So... should the U.S pay Israel for the loss of ammo, fuel, etc?
 

magomago

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How he hell do they spend 6.8 Billion? Where do these figures go! I would think that Israel's cost shouldn't even come near the destruction they wraught upon Lebanon and Lebanon estimated damages at 3 billion...And Lebanon suffered MASSIVE infrastructure damage whereas Israel suffered from nearly none.
 

Aisengard

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Not that I'm doubting military costs these days, but could we please have a link?
 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: magomago
How he hell do they spend 6.8 Billion? Where do these figures go! I would think that Israel's cost shouldn't even come near the destruction they wraught upon Lebanon and Lebanon estimated damages at 3 billion...And Lebanon suffered MASSIVE infrastructure damage whereas Israel suffered from nearly none.

Those bombs/misssiles Israel has on their aircraft probably cost tens of thousands each.
 

JEDIYoda

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There is more than one way to read that article...sad to say i don`t agre with Aimsters interpretation of the article!
 

lozina

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unfortunately for us tax payers most of our polticians put israeli interests over our own.

isn't our government in enough financial trouble as it is with iraq & afghanistan bills? we are not exactly swimming in money here
 

Cattlegod

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Originally posted by: lozina
unfortunately for us tax payers most of our polticians put israeli interests over our own.

isn't our government in enough financial trouble as it is with iraq & afghanistan bills? we are not exactly swimming in money here

no sh1t. and i love how we hand over 2 billion to isreal each year and our govn't has openly said they will not help the domestic auto industry.

what a bunch of crap.
 

lyssword

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Not anything against israel, but I think they can afford the costs. They are a highly developed industrial country I'm sure they will get the cash..
 

Aimster

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well my vote is no.. but rather the U.S should invest in Israel tech (like the anti-RPG) system. That would add fuel to Israel's economy, but the U.S doesn't have a clue.
 

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Hey ISRAEL FIRST so that's fine right. I mean hey, what's a friend for right? Let's not be selfish here. Let's just get ripped then both ways every time Israel decides to conduct a war. We'll pick up the tab for replacing the estimated gross bomb payload dropped, ...plus the tab to repair everything those bombs destroy.

The fact our USA soldiers still don't have bio-warfare suits that work worth a crap or the best personal body armor comes second right? When they return home sick stack'em and rack'em in waiting lines to see a doctor and make them hire attorney's to prove their DU and other war realated sicknesses.

Israel first. Our boys second.
Israel first. Our boys second.
Israel first. Our boys second.

Got it?
 

Harabec

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We have no real need for the US to pay. It will take some time, but our economy can manage it. The army is just being the whiney bitch it has always been in the last 10 years.

There's a lot more to the issue, but its all internal struggles that won't interest you. The bottom line is that we don't NEED the US to pay. Olmert and Co. may WANT it to...but that's it.

The war exposed a lot of bad stuff in the military that we need to fix, so as I said, everyone's whining about it.
 

her209

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The US taxpayers (the elected politicians) "give away" money to a foreign government. The foreign government then turns around and buys more military hardware from the US defense companies. Is that right?
 

ahurtt

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Originally posted by: her209
The US taxpayers (the elected politicians) "give away" money to a foreign government. The foreign government then turns around and buys more military hardware from the US defense companies. Is that right?

Well we can't just run around handing out guns and bombs for free now can we? I mean how would that look?

Though truth be told, as I understand, Israel has conceived of and manufactures some of the most advanced military technology in the world.
 

imported_dna

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I see this thread is packed savvy financial specialists....
How about you geniuses do a bit of research before complaining for the sake of complaining.
Here, read this.

In 2004, the United States is providing some form of foreign assistance to about
150 countries. Israel and Egypt continue, as they have since the late 1970s, as the
largest recipients, although Iraq, receiving over $20 billion for reconstruction
activities since mid-2003, is the biggest recipient in FY2004.

As for helping the domestic auto industry, you seem to be forgetting that they got into this mess on their own: they got help from the government by lobbying against a rise in the CAFE standards -- a short term solution that allowed them to avoid having to spend money on increasing their efficiency.

But don't worry, you complain about a billion here or there for Israel, while ignoring the auto industry's role in getting the USA into this dependence on Middle East oil. All that money flowing to Saudi Arabia will come to bite you in the ass, as they spend a whole lot on promoting their ideology of hate; here's a snippet:
According to some estimates, Saudi Arabia has spent $75 billion in the last quarter century supporting this propaganda, roughly three times more a year than the Soviet Union did during the height of the Cold War.

Also, your suggestion for helping the auto industry brings to mind the help given to the air industry after 9/11: lots of money given, while I've read some people saying that the industry was losing money prior to 9/11 and was due for a shakeup and consolidations. Now, with all the semi-bankruptcies, the workers had to agree to slashing their benefits by half, while the managment will be hitting it big time when companies emerge out of bankruptcy. SItuation must have been the same in the auto industry -- managment was comfy when they were the top dog in selling cars, and didn't bother improving; they raked in a lot of money, and that's all that mattered to them. Now, if they go bankrupt, then their underfunded pension will fall on the taxpayer. Link:
At UAL?s United Airlines, workers stand to lose more than $3 billion in promised benefits as the airline passes its pension obligations on to the government.

Unfunded pension obligations at Ford have risen to a whopping $12.3 billion, and General Motors is looking at shortfalls of $7.5 billion.

In the executive suites of these companies, however, there's no pain to be found. United Airlines chief executive Glenn Tilton collected $3.4 million in compensation in the year leading up to the airline?s 2002 bankruptcy. He received another $4.5 million of his pre-bankruptcy pay package in 2003-2005.
 

lozina

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Originally posted by: dna
I see this thread is packed savvy financial specialists....
How about you geniuses do a bit of research before complaining for the sake of complaining.
Here, read this.

In 2004, the United States is providing some form of foreign assistance to about
150 countries. Israel and Egypt continue, as they have since the late 1970s, as the
largest recipients, although Iraq, receiving over $20 billion for reconstruction
activities since mid-2003, is the biggest recipient in FY2004.

What exactly is your point? Are you suggesting that since we are already giving away too much money for foreign aid we should just WASTE EVEN MORE? Wow- I would not want you to manage my money.



 

imported_dna

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Originally posted by: lozina
What exactly is your point? Are you suggesting that since we are already giving away too much money for foreign aid we should just WASTE EVEN MORE? Wow- I would not want you to manage my money.

Are you asking me a question, or are you a mind reader?
I wasn't arguing for or against, merely pointing out that you people don't know much about the foreign aid spent by the US, so keep your conjenctures to yourself.
 

rchiu

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Originally posted by: dna
Originally posted by: lozina
What exactly is your point? Are you suggesting that since we are already giving away too much money for foreign aid we should just WASTE EVEN MORE? Wow- I would not want you to manage my money.

Are you asking me a question, or are you a mind reader?
I wasn't arguing for or against, merely pointing out that you people don't know much about the foreign aid spent by the US, so keep your conjenctures to yourself.

Heh, in other word, you are contributing zip to the thread and just bad mouthing people cause they hurt ur feeling on aid on Israel.
 

lozina

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Originally posted by: dna
Originally posted by: lozina
What exactly is your point? Are you suggesting that since we are already giving away too much money for foreign aid we should just WASTE EVEN MORE? Wow- I would not want you to manage my money.

Are you asking me a question, or are you a mind reader?
I wasn't arguing for or against, merely pointing out that you people don't know much about the foreign aid spent by the US, so keep your conjenctures to yourself.

Typically when a sentence is followed by a "question mark", it usually means it is a question.

I'm pretty sure everyone here knows we spend alot of money already on foreign aid, with amounts already disportionally higher to Israel specifically... so why send them even more money? We really should be thinking about cutting the foreign aid program completely, instead of thinking about wasting more money.
 

imported_dna

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Originally posted by: rchiu
Heh, in other word, you are contributing zip to the thread and just bad mouthing people cause they hurt ur feeling on aid on Israel.

My feelings weren't hurt, and you'd be the last one I'd pay attention to.
However, if participating in this thread requires it, here goes:
Aid is bad.... uga-booga..... Israel evil...... uga-booga.

That pretty much sums up the contribution of others to this thread.
 

imported_dna

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Originally posted by: lozina
Typically when a sentence is followed by a "question mark", it usually means it is a question.

Typically, a question followed by an assertion is no longer a question.

I'm pretty sure everyone here knows we spend alot of money already on foreign aid, with amounts already disportionally higher to Israel specifically... so why send them even more money? We really should be thinking about cutting the foreign aid program completely, instead of thinking about wasting more money.

Ah, yes -- "everybody knows" -- like the folkloric Palestinian refugee issue that everybody knows about, yet cannot give any details regarding what happened.

I say show some numbers, have a context, and keep it in perspective -- otherwise this is indeeded nothing but an Israel bashing thread.