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Israel should attack Iran

RichardE

Banned
Hezbollah Nourished by Iran, Syria Roots

By KATHERINE SHRADER
The Associated Press
Friday, July 21, 2006; 4:24 PM

WASHINGTON -- The Hezbollah military machine that has been attacking Israel draws much of its strength from two shadowy sources that are proving difficult to cut off: Syria and Iran.

The two countries, which President Bush blames for fomenting terrorism and destabilizing the Middle East, provide Hezbollah with training, weapons and financing, according to Western intelligence officials who are working to stem the flow of aid.
Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich., a House Intelligence Committee member who was briefed on the Middle East situation during a recent trip to Iraq, said Syria has more than 1,000 agents in southern Lebanon, working either directly for Syrian intelligence or compensated by Syria for information. He says they are there "to cause trouble" and help prop up Hezbollah militarily.

Lebanon is two-thirds the size of Connecticut. In a country that small, Rogers said, "a thousand intelligence agents is unbelievable. It's huge."

Along with Syria's agents, Iran's well-trained Revolutionary Guard is believed to be providing military advisers to Hezbollah, with some level of coordination with Syria, according to U.S. officials and Anthony Cordesman, a Middle East expert with the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies.

The U.S. officials spoke on condition of anonymity because of the subject's sensitivity.

Cordesman said the Iranian role has evolved over time. Earlier, significant numbers of Iranians could be seen operating at terrorist training camps in Lebanon's Bekaa Valley. Syria provided them safe haven in the region. "Now, what you have is people who are less visible," he said.

While intelligence agencies may try to pin down such details with spies, eavesdropping equipment and overhead surveillance, the details are among any government's most classified secrets. And some of what is public may be misinformation.

"I'll be perfectly blunt: Israeli intelligence is political, and you can't trust it," Cordesman said.

The United States lists Hezbollah as a terror organization. Yet the complicated 24-year-old Shiite Muslim organization has stepped in to fill vacuums left by the country's anemic government and controls much of the southern part of Lebanon, operating schools, health care and other social services.

It was created to counter Israeli occupying forces after Israel's 1982 invasion of Lebanon and it still provides much of the security along the border with the Jewish state. Tensions have mounted between Israel and Hezbollah's base in southern Lebanon since Hezbollah's brazen July 12 raid into northern Israel when it kidnapped two Israeli soldiers and killed eight others.

Hezbollah's leader, Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, has said repeatedly that his group has more than 12,000 rockets, but experts have disputed those claims.



Other estimates suggest the supply of rockets rose to 10,000 this year. That includes some Iranian-made rockets with a range of perhaps as much as 45 miles, but the vast majority _ the Katyusha-type rockets _ have a range of less than 20 miles.

Israel says Hezbollah has missiles and rockets that can go much farther. Israeli officials said the naval warship struck Friday was hit with an Iranian-made, radar-guided C-802 cruise missile, which has a range of up to 74 miles. Iran denies the claim, and U.S. officials have no information to confirm the missile was the C-802

In an interview with the Associated Press on Friday, Israeli Ambassador Daniel Ayalon said his country's recent operations against Hezbollah have knocked out 40 percent of the group's military capabilities, including most of its long-range missiles.

Numerous security and intelligence experts caution that estimates on Hezbollah's rocket arsenal aren't firm because they're based on calculations about the potential volume of known weapons shipments, rather than any actual count. Israel has been trying to cut off any resupply by destroying land routes from Syria into Lebanon.

Hezbollah can do limited reconnaissance. The group launched at least two unmanned aerial vehicles in 2004 and in 2005. Both Hezbollah and Israel have said the light, low-flying aircraft were made by the group itself, while American analysts believe the drones were Iranian-made.

So far, U.S. officials and other experts have seen no sign that the group's drones have been armed with weapons.

It is difficult for Western officials to determine how Hezbollah makes and spends its money.

Hezbollah gets significant support from Iran and from Lebanese people living abroad, and more limited financing from Syria, a relatively poor country.

One senior U.S. intelligence official said the group has access to several hundred million dollars a year, much of it going to the social service network in southern Lebanon rather than arms and terrorism. But that money could be diverted to terror or military operations.

The organization also has been linked to almost every type of organized crime, including drug trafficking, drug counterfeiting and selling stolen baby formula

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The Battle of Bint Jubayl and Hezbollah's Army
By Bill Roggio

As the smoke clears from the fighting in the Lebanese border town of Bint Jubayl, Hezbollah's military capabilities become clearer. Today, 8 Israeli soldiers from the Golani Brigade's 51st Battalion were killed and 22 wounded during a "well-planned Hezbollah ambush on the outskirts" outside of Bint Jubayl. This follows the 4 killed and 18 wounded during Sunday's engagement in the town.

Hezbollah was reported to have suffered 150 killed as of this morning, and another 40 killed in today's action after fighting "gun battles at point-blank range." An unnamed American military officer reports several Hezbollah operatives, whose primary purpose is logistical support, have been captured and are currently being interrogated by Israeli intelligence.

The Hezbollah bunker in Bint Jubayl was taken nearly intact. Hezbollah attempted to destroy the equipment in the bunker, but was not successful in destroying it all, according to an intelligence source. Abu Jaafar, the Hezbollah commander in southern Lebanon, may have killed himself rather than being captured. The Israeli troops seized Hezbollah computers, documents and monitoring devices used to observe the Israeli border, in addition to the "electronic surveillance equipment, weapons and communication devices made in Iran" which was reported yesterday. The bunker served as the equivalent of a Hezbollah headquarters and command and control center for the southern border.

The Israelis targeted the town of Bint Jubayl with the hope of obtaining further intelligence on Hezbollah's organization and capabilites, as well as the location of their two captured soldiers. The documents and computer seized by the IDF may outline Hezbollah's command and organizational structure in southern Lebanon, although this is unknown at this time. Israeli intelligence is currently analyzing the data.

The Israelis have confirmed that Hezbollah is fighting like a professional military. Their units are fighting at the company level at the least (Unit size of approximately 100 men), and perhaps in larger formations. Intelligence also confirms there is specialization within the Hezbollah units, including trained infantry, mortar teams, missile squads, and logistical personal. Iran has trained and organized Hezbollah's army into something far more deadly than a militia force. Hezbollah's core 'active' army is estimated at 3,000 - 5,000, with as many as 50,000 part time militia and support personnel that can be called upon to fight (20,000 is the average estimate).

Intelligence sources also have confirmed that members of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Corps have indeed been killed during the fighting in Bint Jubayl.

The Lebanese coastal city of Tyre (also referred to as Sour) has "has steadily fallen more and more under Hezbollah's influence since the Syrian withdrawal from Lebanon, and rocket launchers in the city are hitting the city of Haifa and the northern Israeli towns. Israeli air strikes have been focusing on the city, but a steady barrage of about 100 missiles continue to fall in Israeli territory each day.

The Israeli government is signaling their plan to combat Hezbollah is to establish a 1-2 kilometer security buffer along the border and accept international peace keepers without explicitly requiring Hezbollah to disarm in accordance to United Nations Security Council Resolution 1559. This would give Hezbollah a monumental political and propaganda victory, while allowing Hezbollah's army the time and space it needs to rearm, train and improve their tactics for the next battle with the Israeli Defense Force.

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As it is obvious to anyone, Iran and Syria have been providing support to Hez to attack Israel and prepare themselves for an eventual ground invasion. Israel should attack and disbale Iran. If Iran is willing to start a war right now by training/supplying Hez, what will they do when they aquire nuclear weapons. Israel should attack Iran now.

I feel that Israel is now wasting its missiles on Lebannon. They should save the remainder of there missiles for Iran, and use Iraq as a staging ground for an attack. The US joining in a strike against Iran would be favorable. The leader of Iran has admited to training/aiding Hez, Hez has admitted that Iran helped. The Iranian leader has attacked Israel through proxy, swore to destroy her and threatned to destroy the US. He needs to be removed.
 
Israel cant attack Iran.

Iran has air defense systems and Israel cant even reach Iran and be able to return back to Israel.

Attacking Iran requires 50+ aircraft + 100s of cruise missiles attacking at once. Shock and awe or the attack would be pointless.

Iran's not a Lebanon.

The title should read:

U.S should attack Iran.
U.S stealth + cruise misssiles = unstoppable

Then be prepared for oil pricces to hit 100+ barrel and possible U.S invasion that would be deadly. I dont know what happened but losing soldiers in war is shocking for the citizens of the U.S. We aren't a robot army. Man vs Man. Deal with it and stop using the death tolls for political gains. This is why we are not attacking Iran because of the fear of the death toll and the political mess.
 
Originally posted by: Aimster
Israel cant attack Iran.

Iran has air defense systems and Israel cant even reach Iran and be able to return back to Israel.

Attacking Iran requires 50+ aircraft + 100s of cruise missiles attacking at once. Shock and awe or the attack would be pointless.

Iran's not a Lebanon.

The title should read:

U.S should attack Iran.
U.S stealth + cruise misssiles = unstoppable

Then be prepared for oil pricces to hit 100+ barrel and possible U.S invasion that would be deadly. I dont know what happened but losing soldiers in war is shocking for the citizens of the U.S. We aren't a robot army. Man vs Man. Deal with it and stop using the death tolls for political gains. This is why we are not attacking Iran because of the fear of the death toll and the political mess.


Sorry, I meant to add in the OP that the US should allow Israel to fuel in Iraq.
 
The world wide thinking is that Iran isn?t worth the cost of attacking.

Of course, they said the same thing about North Korea and now we cannot stop them with anything short of nuclear war. Shall we do the same to Islamic Fascism?

The resounding answer here, and from the UN, is yes.
 
Originally posted by: RichardE
[Israel should attack Iran
I volunteer YOU to do it, by yourself. Until you're ready to do it, don't volunteer others to suffer the consequenses of such a ridiculous suggestion. :thumbsdown: :frown: :thumbsdown:
 
I see the typical P&N bloodthirst continues on.

If we all, meaning the world keep it up, pretty soon, the world will look like the end of the Planet of the Apes movie.
 
Originally posted by: Harvey
Originally posted by: RichardE
[Israel should attack Iran
I volunteer YOU to do it, by yourself. Until you're ready to do it, don't volunteer others to suffer the consequenses of such a ridiculous suggestion. :thumbsdown: :frown: :thumbsdown:

How about you say why it is a rediculous suggestion? Is it better to wait for Iran to launch a pre-emptive strike to fulfill on its promise to wipe Israel off the map?

Or is it ok now for countries to attack another country with terrorists as long as it is not the US? It doesn't matter who terrorists kill as long as it is not us right?
 
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: Aimster
Israel cant attack Iran.

Iran has air defense systems and Israel cant even reach Iran and be able to return back to Israel.

Attacking Iran requires 50+ aircraft + 100s of cruise missiles attacking at once. Shock and awe or the attack would be pointless.

Iran's not a Lebanon.

The title should read:

U.S should attack Iran.
U.S stealth + cruise misssiles = unstoppable

Then be prepared for oil pricces to hit 100+ barrel and possible U.S invasion that would be deadly. I dont know what happened but losing soldiers in war is shocking for the citizens of the U.S. We aren't a robot army. Man vs Man. Deal with it and stop using the death tolls for political gains. This is why we are not attacking Iran because of the fear of the death toll and the political mess.


Sorry, I meant to add in the OP that the US should allow Israel to fuel in Iraq.

Israel can't weaken Iran like they did Lebanon. Iran is simply too big and has a lot of obstacles that must be taken out. F-16s light up on radar. Stealth fighters and cruise missiles (hundreds of them) are pretty much unstoppable.

Any attack on Iran by Israel will bring the U.S into this because they had a hand in the operation. Iran will then simply attack U.S forces inside Iraq and possibly block the Persian Gulf. This will obviously lead to a major war.

The negotiations with Iran over their nuclear program are a waste of time. Im sure the leaders of Israel and U.S have discussed attack options for years now.

The topic of attacking Iran has been going on for decades now. Every year the U.S is supposedly going to attack Iran, but it never happens. Iran and the U.S poke at each other and have been doing it for the last 30 years.

If it wasn't for oil, the U.S would have probably carpet bombed Iran. However, since the world economy can collapse if the oil supply is disrupted, Iran basically has a card up their sleeve that they can use whenever they wish.
 
Hezbollah Nourished by Iran, Syria Roots

By KATHERINE SHRADER
The Associated Press
Friday, July 21, 2006; 4:24 PM

WASHINGTON -- The Hezbollah military machine that has been attacking Israel draws much of its strength from two shadowy sources that are proving difficult to cut off: Syria and Iran.

The two countries, which President Bush blames for fomenting terrorism and destabilizing the Middle East, provide Hezbollah with training, weapons and financing, according to Western intelligence officials who are working to stem the flow of aid.
Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich., a House Intelligence Committee member who was briefed on the Middle East situation during a recent trip to Iraq, said Syria has more than 1,000 agents in southern Lebanon, working either directly for Syrian intelligence or compensated by Syria for information. He says they are there "to cause trouble" and help prop up Hezbollah militarily.

OH NOESSSS!!
In other breaking news.... Iraq has WMD's according to western intelligence officials
 
Originally posted by: compnovice
Hezbollah Nourished by Iran, Syria Roots

By KATHERINE SHRADER
The Associated Press
Friday, July 21, 2006; 4:24 PM

WASHINGTON -- The Hezbollah military machine that has been attacking Israel draws much of its strength from two shadowy sources that are proving difficult to cut off: Syria and Iran.

The two countries, which President Bush blames for fomenting terrorism and destabilizing the Middle East, provide Hezbollah with training, weapons and financing, according to Western intelligence officials who are working to stem the flow of aid.
Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Mich., a House Intelligence Committee member who was briefed on the Middle East situation during a recent trip to Iraq, said Syria has more than 1,000 agents in southern Lebanon, working either directly for Syrian intelligence or compensated by Syria for information. He says they are there "to cause trouble" and help prop up Hezbollah militarily.

OH NOESSSS!!
In other breaking news.... Iraq has WMD's according to western intelligence officials


Umm..Iran has admitted to this, Hez has admitted to this, Syria has admitted to this, Israel has reported this...

What else do you want? Fly down and look for yourself?
 
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: RichardE

Blah Blah Blah

All that and you didn't post one shread of an idea of what to do after an attack.

Leave. Plain and simple.

Brilliant plan.

The US and Israel would be attacking there military capability to wage war past there own borders. There would be no invasion force, to think otherwise is foolish.
 
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: RichardE

Blah Blah Blah

All that and you didn't post one shread of an idea of what to do after an attack.

Leave. Plain and simple.

So the inflamed, radicalized population can March With Freedom, and Democratize the Middle East and elect more radical leaders? Or maybe a more radical dictator will just take power and we can skip the whole Freedom's on the March bit.
 
Originally posted by: Termagant
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: RichardE

Blah Blah Blah

All that and you didn't post one shread of an idea of what to do after an attack.

Leave. Plain and simple.

So the inflamed, radicalized population can March With Freedom, and Democratize the Middle East and elect more radical leaders? Or maybe a more radical dictator will just take power and we can skip the whole Freedom's on the March bit.

See post before yours.
 
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: RichardE

Blah Blah Blah

All that and you didn't post one shread of an idea of what to do after an attack.

Leave. Plain and simple.

Brilliant plan.

The US and Israel would be attacking there military capability to wage war past there own borders. There would be no invasion force, to think otherwise is foolish.

I agree with you that sending in troops would be foolish, almost as foolish as to think you can eleminate the ablity to wage war.
 
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: RichardE

Blah Blah Blah

All that and you didn't post one shread of an idea of what to do after an attack.

Leave. Plain and simple.

Brilliant plan.

The US and Israel would be attacking there military capability to wage war past there own borders. There would be no invasion force, to think otherwise is foolish.

I agree with you that sending in troops would be foolish, almost as foolish as to think you can eleminate the ablity to wage war.

You can, easily with a large amount of cruise missiles and stealth bombers. That is all the attack would be, ground forces (besides SF I assume) would never set foot in Iran.
 
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: RichardE

Blah Blah Blah

All that and you didn't post one shread of an idea of what to do after an attack.

Leave. Plain and simple.

Brilliant plan.

The US and Israel would be attacking there military capability to wage war past there own borders. There would be no invasion force, to think otherwise is foolish.

I agree with you that sending in troops would be foolish, almost as foolish as to think you can eleminate the ablity to wage war.

You can, easily with a large amount of cruise missiles and stealth bombers. That is all the attack would be, ground forces (besides SF I assume) would never set foot in Iran.

So you want to spend a million dollar missle to blow up a 500 dollar pick up truck and a 50 dollar knock off Ak-47. Or would you use the half a billion dollar plane to do it Brilliant.
 
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