Originally posted by: Ozoned
Where do you draw the line? The distiction between terrorists (hamas), and those that harbor (voted them in) them.
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The where you draw the line question is worth asking, and cuts equally all ways.
In some ways, Hamas is a legitimate political party democratically elected, in the same ways the Israeli government is a legitimate government democratically elected, and at the same time, both the Israeli government and the Hamas governments are acting exactly like terrorists organizations.
Who in their populations are free from guilt? I can proudly state, I did not vote for GWB or the GOP in 2000 or 2004 as GWB&co quite arguably behaved as international war criminals, as such, I was at best in a 48% minority in 2004, and an actual majority in 2000 when Gore won the national popular vote. As we know from world history, the guilt is more collective when the price of policy is to be repaid in random violence.
Pardon me if I observe in all the threads on this latest Israeli retaliation on Gaza is
a common mistaken tendency to view this as its own independent incident, thus ignoring what is the larger history, namely that as long as the Palestinian people are deprived of equal rights, no amount of Israeli retaliation is going to prevent Palestinian and Arab hatreds and counter retaliation.
If there is anything to be learned in the 60 year larger struggle of Arabs and Palestinians Vs. Israelis, is that thus far, Israeli military might increases while Israel stays under constant attack. In short, Israel will know no peace as the same attacks, coming perhaps from different quarters will continue.
And when our country, the USA, was founded on the basis of the basis of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, we should not miss the obvious fact that the Palestinians, have gotten the short end of the stick, becoming third class citizens in the land of their own birth. And being herded into a squalid concentration camps
so Israel can enjoy its land gains is neither justice, or anything any human being will accept. Without Liberty and the fair pursuit of happiness, life is not worth living.
But the giant delusion most suffer under is that this some sort of a sports game,
and magically, some number of innings will occur, in the case of baseball, nine, or in the case of football or basketball, some celestial time clock will tick to zero, the scores will be compared, and we will all agree who won or lost.
In short, this type of struggle is going to keep going and going and going like some perpetual energy energizer bunny.
Of course some morally bankrupt people seem to suggest, Israel should kill all three million Palestinians, but then there will be some 100 million appalled Arabs as well of the rest of the world that wonder if the happiness, and the piggishness of six million Jews in Israel are worth that.
More than danger of the aspirations of the 3 million Palestinians, is the danger of the 100 million Arabs, and the various other terrorists groups. The notion that now
standing on the sideline nations like Egypt, Jordon, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, will be able to with stand the demands of their populations to strike a blow against Israel will be called in serious question, now and into the future.
We may currently think of the Arab nations as divided, unorganized, and weak, but with the right set of leadership, that equation can turn around almost overnight.
Look at Alexander the Great, Napoleon, Genghis Kahn, Gandhi, Mao, the initial expansion of Islam, the triumph of Christianity in Rome, and that names but a few examples.
That too is a somewhat rare but constant lesson of history, Israel damn well better
make some sort of just an equitable peace before that happens.
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