Clinton tried to weasel the Palestinians into giving up any chance of ever having a viable sovereign nation.Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Clinton tried to do the same thing towards the end of his time in office.
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Why not just declare Olmert the leader of the Palestinian people and cut out the middle man.
Then after months of tough negotiation Olmert can cede two squares inches of waterless desert
for a Palestinian state.
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Clinton tried to weasel the Palestinians into giving up any chance of ever having a viable sovereign nation.Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Clinton tried to do the same thing towards the end of his time in office.
http://gush-shalom.org/generous/generous.html
That is hardly a plan for peace.
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Yep, much like if you were asking to keep your body, and I demanded your heart along with a few other organs and appendages while claiming I was making a generious offer by being willing to give you 90% of what you asked for. Surely you would consider that a rather scumbag-ish thing for me to do, wouldn't you?
Originally posted by: Perry404
Bush is a neo-con and the neo-cons have hijacked the Zionist cause. Zionism is no more. Israel is a nation and it's staying that way. Bush, as all others, will attempt to force Israel to give up land.
Land for peace always fails. We need to get the hell out of the area and let Israel, the Palestinians, Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia & Jordan deal with the issue. Western leaders tromping into the middle-east so they can gain the title "great peacemaker" always ends in disaster.
Originally posted by: Narmer
Originally posted by: Perry404
Bush is a neo-con and the neo-cons have hijacked the Zionist cause. Zionism is no more. Israel is a nation and it's staying that way. Bush, as all others, will attempt to force Israel to give up land.
Land for peace always fails. We need to get the hell out of the area and let Israel, the Palestinians, Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia & Jordan deal with the issue. Western leaders tromping into the middle-east so they can gain the title "great peacemaker" always ends in disaster.
I think Israel should either annex the land they rightfully won or give it all back to the Palestinians. Anything else is just wasting everybody's time.
A nation surrounded by foreign nation's boarder supervision and divided by their settlement blocs, bypass roads, and roadblocks, is "sovereign" by what definition of the word?Originally posted by: sirjonk
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Yep, much like if you were asking to keep your body, and I demanded your heart along with a few other organs and appendages while claiming I was making a generious offer by being willing to give you 90% of what you asked for. Surely you would consider that a rather scumbag-ish thing for me to do, wouldn't you?
If my choice was to get my body minus my hands or no body at all, I'd go with the body. But that's me. Some people wouldn't cut off their hands to spite their lives. Ok the body analogy sucks either way.
But you get peace, a sovereign country to build your homes, world recognition of your statehood, and the possibility of future negotiations among unarmed delegates for disputed lands. Or not...
Your history is a bit off there, the Six Day War started with Israel attacking Egypt.Originally posted by: Perry404
Originally posted by: Narmer
Originally posted by: Perry404
Bush is a neo-con and the neo-cons have hijacked the Zionist cause. Zionism is no more. Israel is a nation and it's staying that way. Bush, as all others, will attempt to force Israel to give up land.
Land for peace always fails. We need to get the hell out of the area and let Israel, the Palestinians, Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia & Jordan deal with the issue. Western leaders tromping into the middle-east so they can gain the title "great peacemaker" always ends in disaster.
I think Israel should either annex the land they rightfully won or give it all back to the Palestinians. Anything else is just wasting everybody's time.
Israel should have kept all the land they gained in the six day war and used it as a bargaining chip. Think of it, they were attacked by multiple nations, defended themselves and gained a huge swath of land and then they gave it all back!(except the Syrian Heights)
What were they thinking?
I will answer this question. They were thinking they didn't want to cause any trouble and thought that if they gave the land back they'd be left alone.
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Your history is a bit off there, the Six Day War started with Israel attacking Egypt.Originally posted by: Perry404
Originally posted by: Narmer
Originally posted by: Perry404
Bush is a neo-con and the neo-cons have hijacked the Zionist cause. Zionism is no more. Israel is a nation and it's staying that way. Bush, as all others, will attempt to force Israel to give up land.
Land for peace always fails. We need to get the hell out of the area and let Israel, the Palestinians, Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia & Jordan deal with the issue. Western leaders tromping into the middle-east so they can gain the title "great peacemaker" always ends in disaster.
I think Israel should either annex the land they rightfully won or give it all back to the Palestinians. Anything else is just wasting everybody's time.
Israel should have kept all the land they gained in the six day war and used it as a bargaining chip. Think of it, they were attacked by multiple nations, defended themselves and gained a huge swath of land and then they gave it all back!(except the Syrian Heights)
What were they thinking?
I will answer this question. They were thinking they didn't want to cause any trouble and thought that if they gave the land back they'd be left alone.
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Your history is a bit off there, the Six Day War started with Israel attacking Egypt.
Originally posted by: sirjonk
Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Your history is a bit off there, the Six Day War started with Israel attacking Egypt.
True, thought it leaves out a bit of the backstory. It's like if I got in your face and said, "I'm gonna punch you, and I'm gonna do it right now." And you then kicked me in the balls because you knew if I actually hit you, it'd knock your head off. So technically you started the fight, but if you didn't you'd be so dead right now.