Israel, not Syria, is next target for Regime Change in Middle East

[Superdoopercooper]

Heck... with his $1B, he could almost buy Russia... after a few PMs, AR's, and AC's. Or maybe straight up... no discount. ha!

He's in Russia.

 

[Trezza]

Originally posted by: HappyGamer2
Sharon sucks, Israel needs to be straightened out, they are a pretty slippery bunch, that's what happens when you get how many dollars a year from the USA in AID.

What's your point most small countries and some larger ones get US Aid...

Dari I don't understand what you propose the US do to change power in Israel and for what reasons?

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: Trezza

Originally posted by: HappyGamer2
Sharon sucks, Israel needs to be straightened out, they are a pretty slippery bunch, that's what happens when you get how many dollars a year from the USA in AID.

What's your point most small countries and some larger ones get US Aid...

Dari I don't understand what you propose the US do to change power in Israel and for what reasons?

Yeah, but no country gets 3.5 billion dollars a year in aid, especially no country with a population of less than 10 million.

Contrary to what Bush says, Sharon is not a man of peace. He is a war hawk who strongly opposes the dismantlement of settlements, and would continue the occupation indefinetly if not strong armed by the US. He is the Israeli equivalent of Arafat. "But hes not a terrorist" you say, well I can assure you there are a lot of people who were in the Shabra and Shatila refugee camps who would beg to differ.

 

[Trezza]

I didn't say he was or wasn't a terrorist...by defination a terrorist is "One who governs by terrorism or intimidation" (dictionary.com).

The problem is there is that the middle east is way too tense and all the countries are ready to blow something up at the littlest thing. I still don't see why isreal has been singled out.

 

[HappyGamer2]

yep sharon is a trouble maker and not a peace man, I think Israel gets far more than 3.5 billion, heck we give eygpt more than that. how about 7 to 9 billion, plus who now how much more under the table.
USA doesn't really give out as much money has people think to many countries, and much of what we do give out is for weapons etc

 

[BarneyFife]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
You must be high. Israel is a true democracy with a secular lead government and by most accounts represents a defensive posture to a bunch of hateful neighbors.

OH and one more thing, they have nukes which sorta gauntees your security from "regime change" or any other high minded outside intervention.

Israel does not have a secular government. They pay "JEWS" to live in settlements. They don't recruit Catholics or Buddhists. If Israel wanted to use a nuke, they will probably be extinct in a minute.

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: Trezza
I didn't say he was or wasn't a terrorist...by defination a terrorist is "One who governs by terrorism or intimidation" (dictionary.com).

The problem is there is that the middle east is way too tense and all the countries are ready to blow something up at the littlest thing. I still don't see why isreal has been singled out.

Because Israel is illegaly occupying land, inflicting collective punishment on an entire population, has been violating UN resolutions for 35 years (funny no one mentions that), building and expanding illegal settlements, and getting half the world to hate us even more by using weapons that our tax dollars pay for. Think about it, when an Arab person watches one of Sharon's "incursions" into Palestinian terriroty and sees Apache helicopters and M1A1 Abrams tanks all over the place, and is aware that we basically give them to Israel as a gift, don't you think he's going to hold the US accountable?

BTW, terrorist also means:

adj : characteristic of someone who employs terrorism (especially as a political weapon); "terrorist activity" n : a radical who employs terror as a political weapon (dictionary.com)

In regards to Sharon, I think cutting off comunication (roads, telephone etc.) between towns, blowing up homes, random incursions to catch militants with no regard for collateral damage, preventing people from being able to work and put food on the table and shooting children who are throwing stones is pretty terrifying. And it achieves the political purpose of showing the Israeli people that he is tough on the Palestinians. You decide.

 

[Trezza]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Trezza
I didn't say he was or wasn't a terrorist...by defination a terrorist is "One who governs by terrorism or intimidation" (dictionary.com).

The problem is there is that the middle east is way too tense and all the countries are ready to blow something up at the littlest thing. I still don't see why isreal has been singled out.

Because Israel is illegaly occupying land, inflicting collective punishment on an entire population, has been violating UN resolutions for 35 years (funny no one mentions that), building and expanding illegal settlements, and getting half the world to hate us even more by using weapons that our tax dollars pay for. Think about it, when an Arab person watches one of Sharon's "incursions" into Palestinian terriroty and sees Apache helicopters and M1A1 Abrams tanks all over the place, and is aware that we basically give them to Israel as a gift, don't you think he's going to hold the US accountable?

BTW, terrorist also means:

adj : characteristic of someone who employs terrorism (especially as a political weapon); "terrorist activity" n : a radical who employs terror as a political weapon (dictionary.com)

In regards to Sharon, I think cutting off comunication (roads, telephone etc.) between towns, blowing up homes, random incursions to catch militants with no regard for collateral damage, preventing people from being able to work and put food on the table and shooting children who are throwing stones is pretty terrifying. And it achieves the political purpose of showing the Israeli people that he is tough on the Palestinians. You decide.

Your also asking a group of people who religion was the only reason that they were hunted, gathered and slaugtered to trust / lower their defences to the people who invented modern terrorism.

I agree with you that expanding into the territories that are not their is wrong. I don't believe that Israel is a terrorist nation but a nation that is fighting back against it. The problem with developing superior technology is that your opponnent will realize that they can never beat you in a battle. This is where the "great" idea of bombing markets/schools/houses began for those without tech. Israel won't stand for it, they throw done the morale high ground and say fine we will do the same... I am not saying its right just how it is

Btw I still don't see what Israel is in violation of ... people stated that 30? un resolutions were violated what were they and what are the consequences thereof?

please no flames just facts. I'm not saying anyones wrong just show me your side's info.

 

[alexruiz]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Trezza
I didn't say he was or wasn't a terrorist...by defination a terrorist is "One who governs by terrorism or intimidation" (dictionary.com).

The problem is there is that the middle east is way too tense and all the countries are ready to blow something up at the littlest thing. I still don't see why isreal has been singled out.

Because Israel is illegaly occupying land, inflicting collective punishment on an entire population, has been violating UN resolutions for 35 years (funny no one mentions that), building and expanding illegal settlements, and getting half the world to hate us even more by using weapons that our tax dollars pay for. Think about it, when an Arab person watches one of Sharon's "incursions" into Palestinian terriroty and sees Apache helicopters and M1A1 Abrams tanks all over the place, and is aware that we basically give them to Israel as a gift, don't you think he's going to hold the US accountable?

BTW, terrorist also means:

adj : characteristic of someone who employs terrorism (especially as a political weapon); "terrorist activity" n : a radical who employs terror as a political weapon (dictionary.com)

In regards to Sharon, I think cutting off comunication (roads, telephone etc.) between towns, blowing up homes, random incursions to catch militants with no regard for collateral damage, preventing people from being able to work and put food on the table and shooting children who are throwing stones is pretty terrifying. And it achieves the political purpose of showing the Israeli people that he is tough on the Palestinians. You decide.

Sir, this is not the first post where you write with the REASON on your side.... Kudos my friend! If you are from the USA, your country has hope!! (It is good to see that not everyone is a mindless brainwashed parrot, believing that the man in charge is protecting you "from the evil persons.....")

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: Trezza

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Trezza
I didn't say he was or wasn't a terrorist...by defination a terrorist is "One who governs by terrorism or intimidation" (dictionary.com).

The problem is there is that the middle east is way too tense and all the countries are ready to blow something up at the littlest thing. I still don't see why isreal has been singled out.

Because Israel is illegaly occupying land, inflicting collective punishment on an entire population, has been violating UN resolutions for 35 years (funny no one mentions that), building and expanding illegal settlements, and getting half the world to hate us even more by using weapons that our tax dollars pay for. Think about it, when an Arab person watches one of Sharon's "incursions" into Palestinian terriroty and sees Apache helicopters and M1A1 Abrams tanks all over the place, and is aware that we basically give them to Israel as a gift, don't you think he's going to hold the US accountable?

BTW, terrorist also means:

adj : characteristic of someone who employs terrorism (especially as a political weapon); "terrorist activity" n : a radical who employs terror as a political weapon (dictionary.com)

In regards to Sharon, I think cutting off comunication (roads, telephone etc.) between towns, blowing up homes, random incursions to catch militants with no regard for collateral damage, preventing people from being able to work and put food on the table and shooting children who are throwing stones is pretty terrifying. And it achieves the political purpose of showing the Israeli people that he is tough on the Palestinians. You decide.

Your also asking a group of people who religion was the only reason that they were hunted, gathered and slaugtered to trust / lower their defences to the people who invented modern terrorism.

I agree with you that expanding into the territories that are not their is wrong. I don't believe that Israel is a terrorist nation but a nation that is fighting back against it. The problem with developing superior technology is that your opponnent will realize that they can never beat you in a battle. This is where the "great" idea of bombing markets/schools/houses began for those without tech. Israel won't stand for it, they throw done the morale high ground and say fine we will do the same... I am not saying its right just how it is

Btw I still don't see what Israel is in violation of ... people stated that 30? un resolutions were violated what were they and what are the consequences thereof?

please no flames just facts. I'm not saying anyones wrong just show me your side's info.

I am not saying Israel is a terrorist state. I have a lot of Jewish friends, some of who come from Israel, and the consensus we have, after a lot of contructive debate, is that the solution, albeit obvious, is two states living side by side. Your average Israeli wants what your average Palestinian wants: security. They agree that Israel has no place in the occupied territories and that collective punishment is wrong. Of course, it's the extremist elements on BOTH sides with their extreme views and actions that hinder any possibility for peace. About the UN resolutions, I want to be specific, so let me get back to you on that, I have class in five mins.

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: alexruiz

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Trezza
I didn't say he was or wasn't a terrorist...by defination a terrorist is "One who governs by terrorism or intimidation" (dictionary.com).

The problem is there is that the middle east is way too tense and all the countries are ready to blow something up at the littlest thing. I still don't see why isreal has been singled out.

Because Israel is illegaly occupying land, inflicting collective punishment on an entire population, has been violating UN resolutions for 35 years (funny no one mentions that), building and expanding illegal settlements, and getting half the world to hate us even more by using weapons that our tax dollars pay for. Think about it, when an Arab person watches one of Sharon's "incursions" into Palestinian terriroty and sees Apache helicopters and M1A1 Abrams tanks all over the place, and is aware that we basically give them to Israel as a gift, don't you think he's going to hold the US accountable?

BTW, terrorist also means:

adj : characteristic of someone who employs terrorism (especially as a political weapon); "terrorist activity" n : a radical who employs terror as a political weapon (dictionary.com)

In regards to Sharon, I think cutting off comunication (roads, telephone etc.) between towns, blowing up homes, random incursions to catch militants with no regard for collateral damage, preventing people from being able to work and put food on the table and shooting children who are throwing stones is pretty terrifying. And it achieves the political purpose of showing the Israeli people that he is tough on the Palestinians. You decide.

Sir, this is not the first post where you write with the REASON on your side.... Kudos my friend! If you are from the USA, your country has hope!! (It is good to see that not everyone is a mindless brainwashed parrot, believing that the man in charge is protecting you "from the evil persons.....")

Thank you, I appretiate that. Yes, I am proud to be an American and do not worry, there are a lot of people just like me in this country who are not afraid to look at issues objectivly and disagree with the policies of our government. If only more people would differentiate the American people from the American government, we would all get along a lot lot better.

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: Trezza

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: Trezza
I didn't say he was or wasn't a terrorist...by defination a terrorist is "One who governs by terrorism or intimidation" (dictionary.com).

The problem is there is that the middle east is way too tense and all the countries are ready to blow something up at the littlest thing. I still don't see why isreal has been singled out.

Because Israel is illegaly occupying land, inflicting collective punishment on an entire population, has been violating UN resolutions for 35 years (funny no one mentions that), building and expanding illegal settlements, and getting half the world to hate us even more by using weapons that our tax dollars pay for. Think about it, when an Arab person watches one of Sharon's "incursions" into Palestinian terriroty and sees Apache helicopters and M1A1 Abrams tanks all over the place, and is aware that we basically give them to Israel as a gift, don't you think he's going to hold the US accountable?

BTW, terrorist also means:

adj : characteristic of someone who employs terrorism (especially as a political weapon); "terrorist activity" n : a radical who employs terror as a political weapon (dictionary.com)

In regards to Sharon, I think cutting off comunication (roads, telephone etc.) between towns, blowing up homes, random incursions to catch militants with no regard for collateral damage, preventing people from being able to work and put food on the table and shooting children who are throwing stones is pretty terrifying. And it achieves the political purpose of showing the Israeli people that he is tough on the Palestinians. You decide.

Your also asking a group of people who religion was the only reason that they were hunted, gathered and slaugtered to trust / lower their defences to the people who invented modern terrorism.

I agree with you that expanding into the territories that are not their is wrong. I don't believe that Israel is a terrorist nation but a nation that is fighting back against it. The problem with developing superior technology is that your opponnent will realize that they can never beat you in a battle. This is where the "great" idea of bombing markets/schools/houses began for those without tech. Israel won't stand for it, they throw done the morale high ground and say fine we will do the same... I am not saying its right just how it is

Btw I still don't see what Israel is in violation of ... people stated that 30? un resolutions were violated what were they and what are the consequences thereof?

please no flames just facts. I'm not saying anyones wrong just show me your side's info.

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