Israel, not Syria, is next target for Regime Change in Middle East

[Dari]

As I've stated countless times within the last 6 months, the road to peace in the Middle East goes through Baghdad. Now that the outlaw regime in Baghdad has fallen, America's next target should be Jerusalem. Seeing that we have another right-wing-settler oriented government in Jerusalem, regime change is all but inevitable for there to be some type of peace between the Israelis and Palestinians. The Shamir government was brought down because it refused to cooperate in the previous peace talks, replaced by Rabin. Now, Sharon's, unless he plays his cards right, will be the next to go. However, to do this, Bush needs the guts to face the Jewish lobbies and Christian right, of which Sharon will surely utilize to make Bush back off (remember the rabbis protesting against the senior Bush back in 1991?).

I hope Bush heeds the call of common sense and does the right thing.

 

[Zebo]

You must be high. Israel is a true democracy with a secular lead government and by most accounts represents a defensive posture to a bunch of hateful neighbors.

OH and one more thing, they have nukes which sorta gauntees your security from "regime change" or any other high minded outside intervention.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
You must be high. Israel is a true democracy with a secular lead government and by most accounts represents a defensive posture to a bunch of hateful neighbors.

OH and one more thing, they have nukes which sorta gauntees your security from "regime change" or any other high minded outside intervention.

You obviously missed my point.

 

[Nitemare]

Simple...remove all the illegal Jewish settlements in Palestine, set up a DMZ between the 2 and shoot anyone who steps foot in it.

 

[Zebo]

I got you point and Sharon was recently elected and is overwhelingly popular. You missed mine.

What cho gonna do about it?

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
I got you point and Sharon was recently elected and is overwhelingly popular. You missed mine.

What cho gonna do about it?

Saddam got elected unanimously...see where it got him?

Both Sharon and Arafat are both thugs who are unfit to rule.

 

[colonel]

However, to do this, Bush needs the guts to face the Jewish lobbies and Christian right, of which Sharon will surely utilize to make Bush back off

Very hard to tell, the Jewish lobbies control the Congress

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
I got you point and Sharon was recently elected and is overwhelingly popular. You missed mine.

What cho gonna do about it?

Regime change can come in many forms: Through massive pressure, the Shamir government eventually came down after it refused to wholeheartedly participate in the Madrid Peace Conference. When election time came around, the people of Israel choose someone who they thought could bring them peace: Rabin. Just because a government is popular today doesn't mean it can't fall when faced with the realities of a superpower breathing down its neck (for concessions) and a population tired of constant suicide bombings.

 

[Zebo]

Saddam got elected unanimously...see where it got him?

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Did he have the means to defend himself?

I urge everyone to so some research on the "just war thoery" of military science. It will really help you understand what is feasable and what's not when it comes to war and international relations

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Saddam got elected unanimously...see where it got him?

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Did he have the means to defend himself?

had close to a billion in cash...I'm thinking exile to Tahiti

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Saddam got elected unanimously...see where it got him?

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Did he have the means to defend himself?

had close to a billion in cash...I'm thinking exile to Tahiti

He's in Russia.

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Saddam got elected unanimously...see where it got him?

.

Did he have the means to defend himself?

had close to a billion in cash...I'm thinking exile to Tahiti

He's in Russia.

Siberia or Tahiti....guess this is proof that he is crazy

 

[junkyardDawg]

Israel has had numerous leadership changes, Netanyahu(sp?) was replaced by Barak with heavy support by the Clinton admin. the constant has been Arafat

 

[jjones]

No matter what happens with Israel's leadership, nothing coming close to peace will ever arrive until Arafat is out of the picture. Sharon just recently admitted that he's ready to make some hard decisions about the settlements and that he's come to the conclusion that he must attempt to get Israel back to the peace negotiations. Arafat, on the other hand, is still trying to keep all the power either directly or through his cronies, forcing the more moderate Abbas to walk away from the post of Prime Minister now. Until that useless POS is no longer a factor, peace negotiations haven't got a chance.

 

[konichiwa]

Sharon and Arafat are both volatile to the situation and the only way to achieve peace is to see BOTH of them gone. Nothing will be solved with radicals in power...

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: jjones
No matter what happens with Israel's leadership, nothing coming close to peace will ever arrive until Arafat is out of the picture. Sharon just recently admitted that he's ready to make some hard decisions about the settlements and that he's come to the conclusion that he must attempt to get Israel back to the peace negotiations. Arafat, on the other hand, is still trying to keep all the power either directly or through his cronies, forcing the more moderate Abbas to walk away from the post of Prime Minister now. Until that useless POS is no longer a factor, peace negotiations haven't got a chance.

you're right about arafat, but when sharon says he's ready to make "painful" concessions, he ususally means for the Palestinians.

 

[OneManArmy]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
You must be high. Israel is a true democracy with a secular lead government and by most accounts represents a defensive posture to a bunch of hateful neighbors.

OH and one more thing, they have nukes which sorta gauntees your security from "regime change" or any other high minded outside intervention.

yeah!

 

[OneManArmy]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Simple...remove all the illegal Jewish settlements in Palestine, set up a DMZ between the 2 and shoot anyone who steps foot in it.

what about animals. they are nice.

 

[OneManArmy]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Carbonyl

Saddam got elected unanimously...see where it got him?

.

Did he have the means to defend himself?

had close to a billion in cash...I'm thinking exile to Tahiti

HAD...a billion in cash. Most of his assets were frozen, although im sure he had a nice wad stashed under his pillow.

 

[OneManArmy]

Originally posted by: junkyardDawg
Israel has had numerous leadership changes, Netanyahu(sp?) was replaced by Barak with heavy support by the Clinton admin. the constant has been Arafat

true, but arafat is just a lapdog idiot with no real power, who is willing to sacrifice the well being of his people for his own turn in the spotlight.

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: Carbonyl
You must be high. Israel is a true democracy with a secular lead government and by most accounts represents a defensive posture to a bunch of hateful neighbors.

OH and one more thing, they have nukes which sorta gauntees your security from "regime change" or any other high minded outside intervention.

I think the fact that it flaunts itself as "The Jewish State" contradicts you calling it secular. Do you honestly think anything would get done in Israel if the ultra OrthodoX Jews opposed it? And are you ready to deny that Israeli Arabs are treated like second class citizens?

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: colonel

However, to do this, Bush needs the guts to face the Jewish lobbies and Christian right, of which Sharon will surely utilize to make Bush back off

Very hard to tell, the Jewish lobbies control the Congress

After seeing what happened to his father come election time for not agreeing 100% with Israel and its policies, there is no way in hell that Bush is going to oppose Sharon. Remember when he told Sharon to get out of the occupied territories when the IDF surrounded Arafat's compound? He politely told Bush to fvck off and the siege continued. You cannot critisize Israel for anything in this country unless you want to be labeled an anti-Semite and blackballed from the gov. They have America by the balls, not the other way around. Wait and see how many people will call me anti-Semetic now for not agreeing with the way Israel does things, it should be amusing.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: colonel

However, to do this, Bush needs the guts to face the Jewish lobbies and Christian right, of which Sharon will surely utilize to make Bush back off

Very hard to tell, the Jewish lobbies control the Congress

After seeing what happened to his father come election time for not agreeing 100% with Israel and its policies, there is no way in hell that Bush is going to oppose Sharon. Remember when he told Sharon to get out of the occupied territories when the IDF surrounded Arafat's compound? He politely told Bush to fvck off and the siege continued. You cannot critisize Israel for anything in this country unless you want to be labeled an anti-Semite and blackballed from the gov. They have America by the balls, not the other way around. Wait and see how many people will call me anti-Semetic now for not agreeing with the way Israel does things, it should be amusing.

you sound so afraid. I rather be called an anti-semite for doing the right thing than appeasing anyone. Furthermore, if any jew thinks that just because the president goes against the leader of israel he is an anti-semite needs to have his/her head examined. If anything, Bush needs to save Sharon from himself. Israel has been a political impossibility for too long. It's about time we used them, rather than the other way around.

 

[HappyGamer2]

Sharon sucks, Israel needs to be straightened out, they are a pretty slippery bunch, that's what happens when you get how many dollars a year from the USA in AID.

 

[LilBlinbBlahIce]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: LilBlinbBlahIce

Originally posted by: colonel

However, to do this, Bush needs the guts to face the Jewish lobbies and Christian right, of which Sharon will surely utilize to make Bush back off

Very hard to tell, the Jewish lobbies control the Congress

After seeing what happened to his father come election time for not agreeing 100% with Israel and its policies, there is no way in hell that Bush is going to oppose Sharon. Remember when he told Sharon to get out of the occupied territories when the IDF surrounded Arafat's compound? He politely told Bush to fvck off and the siege continued. You cannot critisize Israel for anything in this country unless you want to be labeled an anti-Semite and blackballed from the gov. They have America by the balls, not the other way around. Wait and see how many people will call me anti-Semetic now for not agreeing with the way Israel does things, it should be amusing.

you sound so afraid. I rather be called an anti-semite for doing the right thing than appeasing anyone. Furthermore, if any jew thinks that just because the president goes against the leader of israel he is an anti-semite needs to have his/her head examined. If anything, Bush needs to save Sharon from himself. Israel has been a political impossibility for too long. It's about time we used them, rather than the other way around.

How on earth do I sound afraid? Try irritated.