Israel Launches Spy Satelite, Into The Med

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: Trente
o.k. then, spell it yourself and we'll see...

BTW, did you know that it actually means: "kol oivayich yitrachaku mimech", not what everyone thinks!

"Meharsaich umachrivaich mimech yetzeu"

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: maddogchen

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: maddogchen

Originally posted by: Trente

ALLIES SPY ON EACH OTHER!

ALLIES ARE ALLIES NOT BECAUSE THEY "LIKE" EACH OTHER BUT BECAUSE THEY HAVE MUTUAL INTERESTS!

SORRY, MY CAPS LOCK KEY IS STUCK... :frown:

I wonder...if Canada spies on the US. And hypothetically speaking, if they do and we catch one of them. What would we do to him/her?

edit: and would it receive the big news like Israels?

The situations are so vastly different that it isn't comparable.

Could you explain why? I don't see much of a difference besides the fact that Canada is a neighbor. They are both allies, we support each other, and lots of US citizens live in Canada and vote just like Israel.

It is a lot of things, i'll give you a few.

Israel is supported by US despite being in the middle of a serious conflict, the US has used it's veto to make sure that several resolutions (all resolutions in fact that condemns Israels actions) have been cancelled.

The region, the US is at war in the region and specifically with the countries that threatens Israel the most.

The support, it isn't even comparable, US clearly supports Israel both monetary and Israels actions.

Now, when it comes to spying, Israel has a LOT more to gain by knowing US's foreign politics than Canada has, and if they can affect it from inside, they have truly struck gold, imagine if they could get the US to remove Iran as a threat.

Canada has no natural enemies, none what so ever.

:thumbsup:

 

[Klixxer]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Why? He's right. Israel is a theological regime with some very radical ideas and a war criminal as their leader.

coming out from a Jew! interesting 😛

it becomres rather uninsteresting compared to irans regiem of fundamentalists who fun and train terror groups. where the isrealis have shown a love of life, the iranians have shown a love of death. using children to set off mines etc. with such suicidal regiems, the concept of mutually assured anhiliation is no deterent. if that simple concept is too hard to undersetand, well... nothing can help you.

All true and i don't think anyone is condoning these actions either, at least i am not, i just wanted to state that when it comes to theological regimes with radical ideas Israel has no room to say anything about just that matter.

It can be discussed it Israel has shown a love for ALL life though, i don't think it is wrong to critizise Israel for their wrongdoings but naturally it does not excuse others wrongdoings either.

What i find is that so many get so very defensive and point at others doing the same thing or worse things, to me that doesn't matter because two wrongs does not make one right.

 

[MegaWorks]

All true and i don't think anyone is condoning these actions either, at least i am not, i just wanted to state that when it comes to theological regimes with radical ideas Israel has no room to say anything about just that matter.

It can be discussed it Israel has shown a love for ALL life though, i don't think it is wrong to critizise Israel for their wrongdoings but naturally it does not excuse others wrongdoings either.

What i find is that so many get so very defensive and point at others doing the same thing or worse things, to me that doesn't matter because two wrongs does not make one right.

:thumbsup:

 

[Genx87]

If we paid 6 bil to Iran I'm sure they'd ease up towards us too.

Israel has attacked us before.

Honestly, I'd prefer Israel got rid of its nukes and it be even that way. Israel's nukes totally discredit any effort we may have to stop proliferation.

The last figure I saw was 3 billion.

And what proof do you really have Israel has nukes?

 

[Genx87]

Why? He's right. Israel is a theological regime with some very radical ideas and a war criminal as their leader.

Isreal is a representative democracy like the United States.

And what world court convicted Sharon of war crimes?

 

[Genx87]

Israel is supported by US despite being in the middle of a serious conflict, the US has used it's veto to make sure that several resolutions (all resolutions in fact that condemns Israels actions) have been cancelled.

The reason for this is because all the resolutions only condem one side of the war. The US wants the resolutions to include condeming suicide bombers. Why is that so hard for the UN to do?

The region, the US is at war in the region and specifically with the countries that threatens Israel the most.

And??????

The support, it isn't even comparable, US clearly supports Israel both monetary and Israels actions.

Is that why we condemed them assassinating hamas leaders? btw we support many govts monetarily. What does that really prove? The last figure I saw had 19.3 billion going to Saudi Arabia.

Now, when it comes to spying, Israel has a LOT more to gain by knowing US's foreign politics than Canada has, and if they can affect it from inside, they have truly struck gold, imagine if they could get the US to remove Iran as a threat.

And how would they manage to do such a thing? It seems to me Iran is on a crash course with the world community, not just the United States.

Canada has no natural enemies, none what so ever

Heh you dont think if we let the world know an attack on Canada is an attack on the United States they would be Canada? There are a shitload of natural resources that any large, growing country could use *cough* China * cough*

 

[Trente]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Trente
o.k. then, spell it yourself and we'll see...

BTW, did you know that it actually means: "kol oivayich yitrachaku mimech", not what everyone thinks!

"Meharsaich umachrivaich mimech yetzeu"

hmmm...I guess it has more biblical kinda sound to it. my way of spelling is how you say it on the street...😛

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: ntdz
Last time i checked, Israel hasnt threatened to attack us yet while Iran has. Israel is an ally while Iran is an enemy. I don't get why youd want Iran to have nukes, why would u want to let things even up, when it will only hurt us?

He didn't pay his electric bill last month and he just broke up with his girlfriend. What reason is there for him to go on??? 😛

 

[Trente]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Why? He's right. Israel is a theological regime with some very radical ideas and a war criminal as their leader.

coming out from a Jew! interesting 😛

it becomres rather uninsteresting compared to irans regiem of fundamentalists who fun and train terror groups. where the isrealis have shown a love of life, the iranians have shown a love of death. using children to set off mines etc. with such suicidal regiems, the concept of mutually assured anhiliation is no deterent. if that simple concept is too hard to undersetand, well... nothing can help you.

All true and i don't think anyone is condoning these actions either, at least i am not, i just wanted to state that when it comes to theological regimes with radical ideas Israel has no room to say anything about just that matter.

It can be discussed it Israel has shown a love for ALL life though, i don't think it is wrong to critizise Israel for their wrongdoings but naturally it does not excuse others wrongdoings either.

What i find is that so many get so very defensive and point at others doing the same thing or worse things, to me that doesn't matter because two wrongs does not make one right.

Israel has enough haters in the world (and in these boards) without you trying to focus on it's so called "negatives". It is the states around it that SHOULD be subjected to so much criticism! Jews have nowhere else to live witout being persecuted because of their religion, but Israel. this state has fought very, VERY hard to exist up until know. many Jews lost their lives in the process of making dreams a reality and damned we are if we do not keep Israel alive and kicking! (else that "pasuk" will turn out to be correct...)

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Trente

SORRY, MY CAPS LOCK KEY IS STUCK... :frown:

An alternative is that you are an infuriated, salivating troll.

 

[Trente]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Trente

SORRY, MY CAPS LOCK KEY IS STUCK... :frown:

An alternative is that you are an infuriated, salivating troll.

look who is talking. AT No.1 troll! STFU, and bite me while doing so...

 

[CWRMadcat]

Israel has enough haters in the world (and in these boards) without you trying to focus on it's so called "negatives". It is the states around it that SHOULD be subjected to so much criticism! Jews have nowhere else to live witout being persecuted because of their religion, but Israel. this state has fought very, VERY hard to exist up until know. many Jews lost their lives in the process of making dreams a reality and damned we are if we do not keep Israel alive and kicking! (else that "pasuk" will turn out to be correct...)

Being Jewish doesn't grant you any immunity from criticism or accountability. Persecution is not a jewish thing, and not just jews have lost their lives in building nations. Get over yourself.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Klixxer

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Why? He's right. Israel is a theological regime with some very radical ideas and a war criminal as their leader.

coming out from a Jew! interesting 😛

In the bible it says: "meharsaich uo mehuravaich - mimech yetzo."

Isaiah 49:17 but i find your spelling odd.

I don't find it offensive, but tha could be because i do not believe in it.

What does it mean Klixxer?

 

[Trente]

Originally posted by: CWRMadcat

Israel has enough haters in the world (and in these boards) without you trying to focus on it's so called "negatives". It is the states around it that SHOULD be subjected to so much criticism! Jews have nowhere else to live witout being persecuted because of their religion, but Israel. this state has fought very, VERY hard to exist up until know. many Jews lost their lives in the process of making dreams a reality and damned we are if we do not keep Israel alive and kicking! (else that "pasuk" will turn out to be correct...)

Being Jewish doesn't grant you any immunity from criticism or accountability. Persecution is not a jewish thing, and not just jews have lost their lives in building nations. Get over yourself.

As much as I will attempt to defend Israel and explain the delicate situation, it will be to no avail, as you are not going to change your mind. It is hard for me as it is to express my thoughts in English as it is not my native language...

 

[Zephyr106]

Criticizing Israel is anti-Semitic because it denies the right of the Jews to have a homeland. Just as criticizing France is racist because it denies the right of the French to have a homeland.

In other news you queers really crack me up.

Zephyr

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Zephyr106
Criticizing Israel is anti-Semitic because it denies the right of the Jews to have a homeland. Just as criticizing France is racist because it denies the right of the French to have a homeland.

In other news you queers really crack me up.

Zephyr

LoL.

Quick note....Being anti-Israel is not being anti-Semitic as you correctly but sarcastically stated. The fact that most Jews in the world are of European decent and there is only a minorty group of Semitic decent also further proves this as being a misnomer. Then again not all Semitic peoples are Jews as well.

If you want to purchase the NY Times article and read it go ahead.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/a...0C7A8EDDA90994DE494D81

or you can read it for free here.

http://www.santafe.edu/~johnson/articles.yiddish.html


http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=semitic

4 entries found for semitic.
Se·mit·ic Audio pronunciation of "semitic" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (s-mtk)
adj.

1. Of or relating to the Semites or their languages or cultures.
2. Of, relating to, or constituting a subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic language group that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, and Aramaic.


n.

1. The Semitic languages.
2. Any one of the Semitic languages.

 

[Trente]

Originally posted by: Zephyr106
Criticizing Israel is anti-Semitic because it denies the right of the Jews to have a homeland

I just pointed to Klixxer that IMO even if he thinks Israel is acting wrong, should keep his views to himself as there are too many people here (including yourself) who do a great job in expressing their anti-Israeli views that could very well be based and founded upon anti-Semitic pre-views.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Zephyr106
Criticizing Israel is anti-Semitic because it denies the right of the Jews to have a homeland

I just pointed to Klixxer that IMO even if he thinks Israel is acting wrong, should keep his views to himself as there are too many people here (including yourself) who do a great job in expressing their anti-Israeli views that could very well be based and founded upon anti-Semitic pre-views.

Yeah just like anyone who talks bad about Mexicans is really is only doing so because they have racist views towards Mexicans or other Latinos. Just like anyone who talks ill of Jessie Jackson more then likely dons a white sheet and burns crosses on weekends.

 

[Trente]

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: Zephyr106
Criticizing Israel is anti-Semitic because it denies the right of the Jews to have a homeland. Just as criticizing France is racist because it denies the right of the French to have a homeland.

In other news you queers really crack me up.

Zephyr

LoL.

Quick note....Being anti-Israel is not being anti-Semitic as you correctly but sarcastically stated. The fact that most Jews in the world are of European decent and there is only a minorty group of Semitic decent also further proves this as being a misnomer. Then again not all Semitic peoples are Jews as well.

[/quote]


Being anti-semitic means generating hate towards jews because they are jews. jews are considered, according to the bible, as a semite-people. the word 'semite' came from the name of Noach's son, named Shem. Now you're happy?

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: Zephyr106
Criticizing Israel is anti-Semitic because it denies the right of the Jews to have a homeland. Just as criticizing France is racist because it denies the right of the French to have a homeland.

In other news you queers really crack me up.

Zephyr

LoL.

Quick note....Being anti-Israel is not being anti-Semitic as you correctly but sarcastically stated. The fact that most Jews in the world are of European decent and there is only a minorty group of Semitic decent also further proves this as being a misnomer. Then again not all Semitic peoples are Jews as well.

Being anti-semitic means generating hate towards jews because they are jews. jews are considered, according to the bible, as a semite-people. the word 'semite' came from the name of Noach's son, named Shem. Now you're happy?[/quote]


Sorry but please show me a non-biased link that states that Jews are the only Semitic peoples in the world from a respected and well known anthropologist.

Of course if we use your logic...Maybe you are just saying that because you hate all non-Jews. Using your logic any criticism of non-Jews is being anti-Gentile and that means you must have racist views towards non-Jews. Using your logic of course.

 

[Trente]

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Zephyr106
Criticizing Israel is anti-Semitic because it denies the right of the Jews to have a homeland

I just pointed to Klixxer that IMO even if he thinks Israel is acting wrong, should keep his views to himself as there are too many people here (including yourself) who do a great job in expressing their anti-Israeli views that could very well be based and founded upon anti-Semitic pre-views.

Yeah just like anyone who talks bad about Mexicans is really is only doing so because they have racist views towards Mexicans or other Latinos. Just like anyone who talks ill of Jessie Jackson more then likely dons a white sheet and burns crosses on weekends.

Israel is a country that is dedicated for the Jews.
Mexico is a country that is dedicated for the Mexicans.

Quite the difference...

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Zephyr106
Criticizing Israel is anti-Semitic because it denies the right of the Jews to have a homeland

I just pointed to Klixxer that IMO even if he thinks Israel is acting wrong, should keep his views to himself as there are too many people here (including yourself) who do a great job in expressing their anti-Israeli views that could very well be based and founded upon anti-Semitic pre-views.

Yeah just like anyone who talks bad about Mexicans is really is only doing so because they have racist views towards Mexicans or other Latinos. Just like anyone who talks ill of Jessie Jackson more then likely dons a white sheet and burns crosses on weekends.

Israel is a country that is dedicated for the Jews.
Mexico is a country that is dedicated for the Mexicans.

Quite the difference...

So Israel is a country dedicated to a religion while Mexico is a country dedicated to a ethnic group.

 

[Trente]

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: Zephyr106
Criticizing Israel is anti-Semitic because it denies the right of the Jews to have a homeland. Just as criticizing France is racist because it denies the right of the French to have a homeland.

In other news you queers really crack me up.

Zephyr

LoL.

Quick note....Being anti-Israel is not being anti-Semitic as you correctly but sarcastically stated. The fact that most Jews in the world are of European decent and there is only a minorty group of Semitic decent also further proves this as being a misnomer. Then again not all Semitic peoples are Jews as well.

Being anti-semitic means generating hate towards jews because they are jews. jews are considered, according to the bible, as a semite-people. the word 'semite' came from the name of Noach's son, named Shem. Now you're happy?

Sorry but please show me a non-biased link that states that Jews are the only Semitic peoples in the world from a respected and well known anthropologist.[/quote]

I never said that! but the term Anti-Smitic is a way to say Anti-Jewish most of the time...

 

[Trente]

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: Trente

Originally posted by: Zephyr106
Criticizing Israel is anti-Semitic because it denies the right of the Jews to have a homeland

I just pointed to Klixxer that IMO even if he thinks Israel is acting wrong, should keep his views to himself as there are too many people here (including yourself) who do a great job in expressing their anti-Israeli views that could very well be based and founded upon anti-Semitic pre-views.

Yeah just like anyone who talks bad about Mexicans is really is only doing so because they have racist views towards Mexicans or other Latinos. Just like anyone who talks ill of Jessie Jackson more then likely dons a white sheet and burns crosses on weekends.

Israel is a country that is dedicated for the Jews.
Mexico is a country that is dedicated for the Mexicans.

Quite the difference...

So Israel is a country dedicated to a religion while Mexico is a country dedicated to a ethnic group.

Israel is a country that was built for jews in the first place, after so many years of persecution by almost every empire existed. You wouldn't mind giving us a land as big as 1/460 that of the US, now would you?