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Israel: Iran aided Hezbollah ship attack

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Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: smack Down
Iran can have all the fun it wants piss of israel because israel doesn't have the troops to occupy Iran and we a stuck in Iraq.

Israel will not want to occupy Iran, just destroy them. 🙂

Yeah hows that working out so far. I hope israel would enjoy the 30 million new suicde bombers.

Israel has contructed a wall. I doubt if they mind 30 million Arabs blowing themselves up on the other (Palestinian) side.

How well did that wall work last week when an Israel solder was captured. Walls always have and always will be defeatable when one has all the time in the world.

I am guessing you still havn't taken the time to learn the history of the region and are still just sprouting talking points.

I don't care about the history. It doesn't matter who killed who 15 minutes ago or 2000 years. What matters is tomorow and tomorow only.

But if you most explain what history has to do with the fact that a wall can be tunneled under. Also whos talking point is it that walls can be tunneled under. It is a pretty much undefuted fact.

That is why I ignore every one of your posts. Nothing more than a mouth that talks, with nothing worthwhile that comes out. 🙂

Until you become educated on the topic you are discussing your opinion does not really matter.

Show that history matters. Show that history can solve the problem. So that the last 15 minutes are more imporant then the next 15 minutes

Your use of history is to try and justify actions which are not justifiable based on the means and the expected results. When history is removed you have no justification for the actions you support and therefor chose to run away.
 
I Googled some info on the missile and attack.

Hizballah Brings out Iranian Silkworm to Hit Israel Navy Corvette

In part:

DEBKAfile?s military sources reveal that the warship was struck from Beirut by an Iran-made radar-guided C-802 shore-to-sea missile of the Silkworm family. Weighing 715 kilos, with a range of 120km, the missile is armed with a strong anti-jamming capability, which lends it a 98% success rate in escaping interception.

The Israeli ship is armed with an advanced Barak anti-missile system, which may have missed the incoming missile. Israeli military planners must now look at the vulnerability of the navy following the appearance of the first Iranian C-802 missiles
 
BBond,

Good info.

If this is confirmed to be a Silkworm, then it looks like this will not blow over soon. Lebanon will have to explain this. If they denounce Hezbollah and make assertive efforts to wash their hands of of Hezbollah, then it MIGHT help. Otherwise, the stew just thickens.
 
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: smack Down
Iran can have all the fun it wants piss of israel because israel doesn't have the troops to occupy Iran and we a stuck in Iraq.

Israel will not want to occupy Iran, just destroy them. 🙂

Yeah hows that working out so far. I hope israel would enjoy the 30 million new suicde bombers.

Israel has contructed a wall. I doubt if they mind 30 million Arabs blowing themselves up on the other (Palestinian) side.

How well did that wall work last week when an Israel solder was captured. Walls always have and always will be defeatable when one has all the time in the world.

I am guessing you still havn't taken the time to learn the history of the region and are still just sprouting talking points.

I don't care about the history. It doesn't matter who killed who 15 minutes ago or 2000 years. What matters is tomorow and tomorow only.

But if you most explain what history has to do with the fact that a wall can be tunneled under. Also whos talking point is it that walls can be tunneled under. It is a pretty much undefuted fact.

That is why I ignore every one of your posts. Nothing more than a mouth that talks, with nothing worthwhile that comes out. 🙂

Until you become educated on the topic you are discussing your opinion does not really matter.

Show that history matters. Show that history can solve the problem. So that the last 15 minutes are more imporant then the next 15 minutes

Your use of history is to try and justify actions which are not justifiable based on the means and the expected results. When history is removed you have no justification for the actions you support and therefor chose to run away.

I find it funny you rant like this, the same person who calls Israel Terrorists. How can they be terrorist if history never mattered? If the last 40 years do not matter, than it does not matter that they are in control of land from the war of 67, nor does it matter that Palestinians have a claim to it (A fact which you have stated over and over). The only thing I see here is your simple mind disregards history when it can used to refute your simple points, and clings to a warped version when it is convinient.
 
Originally posted by: maluckey
BBond,

Good info.

If this is confirmed to be a Silkworm, then it looks like this will not blow over soon. Lebanon will have to explain this. If they denounce Hezbollah and make assertive efforts to wash their hands of of Hezbollah, then it MIGHT help. Otherwise, the stew just thickens.

Lebanon has to explain this? What? Defending it's territory, civilians and infrastructure against invasion? Or do you want them just to lay back and enjoy it?

It seems that you wish that Israel could just shell defenseless civilians like on the Gaza beach, but as soon as someone fires back at them they have to explain themselves? Is Israel now prepared to fight only people armed with kiwi fruit and pointed sticks?
 
Originally posted by: fornax
Originally posted by: maluckey
BBond,

Good info.

If this is confirmed to be a Silkworm, then it looks like this will not blow over soon. Lebanon will have to explain this. If they denounce Hezbollah and make assertive efforts to wash their hands of of Hezbollah, then it MIGHT help. Otherwise, the stew just thickens.

Lebanon has to explain this? What? Defending it's territory, civilians and infrastructure against invasion? Or do you want them just to lay back and enjoy it?

It seems that you wish that Israel could just shell defenseless civilians like on the Gaza beach, but as soon as someone fires back at them they have to explain themselves? Is Israel now prepared to fight only people armed with kiwi fruit and pointed sticks?


Funny, Lebannon is trying to protray itself as innocent. They will have to explain why terrorist in there country, who are not penalized are able to attack without penalty from within its border, when Lebannon is of course, innocent (such as they are trying to protray).
 
Originally posted by: fornax
Originally posted by: maluckey
BBond,

Good info.

If this is confirmed to be a Silkworm, then it looks like this will not blow over soon. Lebanon will have to explain this. If they denounce Hezbollah and make assertive efforts to wash their hands of of Hezbollah, then it MIGHT help. Otherwise, the stew just thickens.

Lebanon has to explain this? What? Defending it's territory, civilians and infrastructure against invasion? Or do you want them just to lay back and enjoy it?

It seems that you wish that Israel could just shell defenseless civilians like on the Gaza beach, but as soon as someone fires back at them they have to explain themselves? Is Israel now prepared to fight only people armed with kiwi fruit and pointed sticks?

You really believe the civilians on the beach were shelled by Israeli fire? It was one of the crappy missiles the Hamas Terrorists were firing and it Fubared..

You think Hizbulla and Lebanon should be allowed to launch their missiles into Israeli cities and not expect retaliation

You think Iran should be allowed to be a Murderous Islamic State who funds and arms terrorists in the Middle East

 
How does this mean that they have nuclear devices and are willing to use them?



Because tweaking the nose of a toughguy is bad for you if he's holding a 12 gauge and you're not.

But again, this is according to Israel. If they lie through their teeth about the Liberty, lying about this attack is cake.
 
Originally posted by: smack Down
Iran can have all the fun it wants piss of israel because israel doesn't have the troops to occupy Iran and we a stuck in Iraq.

Occupation is not a requirement to win a war through blowing the other side into the stone age.
 
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: smack Down
Iran can have all the fun it wants piss of israel because israel doesn't have the troops to occupy Iran and we a stuck in Iraq.

Occupation is not a requirement to win a war through blowing the other side into the stone age.

B-52 bombers, that could fly at heights that prevented them being seen or heard, dropped 8 million tons of bombs on Vietnam between 1965 and 1973. This was over three times the amount of bombs dropped throughout the whole of the Second World War and worked out at approximately 300 tons for every man, woman and child living in Vietnam.

8 million tons sure as hell didn't win a war even with a large amount of ground troops. How many tons would it take to win a war in Iran? Your a complete fool to think you can win a war with bombs alone.
 
Israel should suck it up and stop whining about it. In war, sometime enemy fights back with modern weapons. They should have prepared better.
 
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: smack Down
Iran can have all the fun it wants piss of israel because israel doesn't have the troops to occupy Iran and we a stuck in Iraq.

Occupation is not a requirement to win a war through blowing the other side into the stone age.

B-52 bombers, that could fly at heights that prevented them being seen or heard, dropped 8 million tons of bombs on Vietnam between 1965 and 1973. This was over three times the amount of bombs dropped throughout the whole of the Second World War and worked out at approximately 300 tons for every man, woman and child living in Vietnam.

8 million tons sure as hell didn't win a war even with a large amount of ground troops. How many tons would it take to win a war in Iran? Your a complete fool to think you can win a war with bombs alone.

You compare open desert to the jungle? 😕
I dare you to hide any offensive force from infrared planes and satellites in this day.

Also, you mentioned staying. That says nothing of the forces that could be sent to in plow through all resistance and leave the very next day to move onto the next target, and then return home when Iran is in ruins.
 
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: smack Down
Iran can have all the fun it wants piss of israel because israel doesn't have the troops to occupy Iran and we a stuck in Iraq.

Occupation is not a requirement to win a war through blowing the other side into the stone age.

B-52 bombers, that could fly at heights that prevented them being seen or heard, dropped 8 million tons of bombs on Vietnam between 1965 and 1973. This was over three times the amount of bombs dropped throughout the whole of the Second World War and worked out at approximately 300 tons for every man, woman and child living in Vietnam.

8 million tons sure as hell didn't win a war even with a large amount of ground troops. How many tons would it take to win a war in Iran? Your a complete fool to think you can win a war with bombs alone.

Youre also a complete fool if you think we couldnt have won the vietnam war.

We lost because the government wouldnt allow us to win.
 
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: smack Down
Iran can have all the fun it wants piss of israel because israel doesn't have the troops to occupy Iran and we a stuck in Iraq.

Occupation is not a requirement to win a war through blowing the other side into the stone age.

B-52 bombers, that could fly at heights that prevented them being seen or heard, dropped 8 million tons of bombs on Vietnam between 1965 and 1973. This was over three times the amount of bombs dropped throughout the whole of the Second World War and worked out at approximately 300 tons for every man, woman and child living in Vietnam.

8 million tons sure as hell didn't win a war even with a large amount of ground troops. How many tons would it take to win a war in Iran? Your a complete fool to think you can win a war with bombs alone.

You compare open desert to the jungle? 😕
I dare you to hide any offensive force from infrared planes and satellites in this day.

Also, you mentioned staying. That says nothing of the forces that could be sent to in plow through all resistance and leave the very next day to move onto the next target, and then return home when Iran is in ruins.

Do bombs not work in a jungle? As for defeating infrared dig a tunnel. If you send in force planing to leave the next day the enemy will just hid and repear after you leave.
 
Originally posted by: senseamp
Israel should suck it up and stop whining about it. In war, sometime enemy fights back with modern weapons. They should have prepared better.

Why are you even mentioning that? Anyone who attacks Israel can be dealt with.

The problem which is "whined" about is that the UN would force Israel DO NOTHING and make this a one sided war. It?s difficult to respond to raids and missile strikes when the world decides you must accept the attacks.
 
Originally posted by: Acanthus
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: smack Down
Iran can have all the fun it wants piss of israel because israel doesn't have the troops to occupy Iran and we a stuck in Iraq.

Occupation is not a requirement to win a war through blowing the other side into the stone age.

B-52 bombers, that could fly at heights that prevented them being seen or heard, dropped 8 million tons of bombs on Vietnam between 1965 and 1973. This was over three times the amount of bombs dropped throughout the whole of the Second World War and worked out at approximately 300 tons for every man, woman and child living in Vietnam.

8 million tons sure as hell didn't win a war even with a large amount of ground troops. How many tons would it take to win a war in Iran? Your a complete fool to think you can win a war with bombs alone.

Youre also a complete fool if you think we couldnt have won the vietnam war.

We lost because the government wouldnt allow us to win.

That doesn't matter we still used 8 million tons of bombs and it didn't defeat the enemy. Bombs are not very effect at preventing people for waging war when the only valid targets you have road intersections. Unlike in WW2 there are no factors to attack that are vital to the war effort. You can't eleminate an enemy ablity to wage war when it has basicly no ablity in the first place.
 
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: smack Down
Iran can have all the fun it wants piss of israel because israel doesn't have the troops to occupy Iran and we a stuck in Iraq.

Occupation is not a requirement to win a war through blowing the other side into the stone age.

B-52 bombers, that could fly at heights that prevented them being seen or heard, dropped 8 million tons of bombs on Vietnam between 1965 and 1973. This was over three times the amount of bombs dropped throughout the whole of the Second World War and worked out at approximately 300 tons for every man, woman and child living in Vietnam.

8 million tons sure as hell didn't win a war even with a large amount of ground troops. How many tons would it take to win a war in Iran? Your a complete fool to think you can win a war with bombs alone.

You compare open desert to the jungle? 😕
I dare you to hide any offensive force from infrared planes and satellites in this day.

Also, you mentioned staying. That says nothing of the forces that could be sent to in plow through all resistance and leave the very next day to move onto the next target, and then return home when Iran is in ruins.

Do bombs not work in a jungle? As for defeating infrared dig a tunnel. If you send in force planing to leave the next day the enemy will just hid and repear after you leave.

You just explained
8 million tons sure as hell didn't
. The explosives were weaker, the aim was horrible, and the terrain concealed everything on the ground. You seem to think technology hasn't changed since then.

Keep up the defeatist drum beat, for whatever cause you serve with it.
 
I tend to agree that bombs alone won't win a war. Just look at Iraq. We have bombed the crap out of them and still there is chaos over there. I don't know much about the history of the middle east, but they have been fighting over there for a long time. I feel sorry for the innocent civillians of the countries over there. They are the victims of whatever the governements do. It would be nice if there were peace over there, but I doubt that it would happen anytime soon. I think it also shows that religious fundamentalism is wrong no matter who is practicing it.
 
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: smack Down
Iran can have all the fun it wants piss of israel because israel doesn't have the troops to occupy Iran and we a stuck in Iraq.

Occupation is not a requirement to win a war through blowing the other side into the stone age.

B-52 bombers, that could fly at heights that prevented them being seen or heard, dropped 8 million tons of bombs on Vietnam between 1965 and 1973. This was over three times the amount of bombs dropped throughout the whole of the Second World War and worked out at approximately 300 tons for every man, woman and child living in Vietnam.

8 million tons sure as hell didn't win a war even with a large amount of ground troops. How many tons would it take to win a war in Iran? Your a complete fool to think you can win a war with bombs alone.

You compare open desert to the jungle? 😕
I dare you to hide any offensive force from infrared planes and satellites in this day.

Also, you mentioned staying. That says nothing of the forces that could be sent to in plow through all resistance and leave the very next day to move onto the next target, and then return home when Iran is in ruins.

Do bombs not work in a jungle? As for defeating infrared dig a tunnel. If you send in force planing to leave the next day the enemy will just hid and repear after you leave.

Look, more blabbling about something you have no idea about. Honestly, go open a book, I am sure your IQ will increase 10 fold if you do.
 
Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: Doboji
Originally posted by: smack Down
Iran can have all the fun it wants piss of israel because israel doesn't have the troops to occupy Iran and we a stuck in Iraq.

Israel doesnt have any desire to occupy Iran anyway... they would just bomb them back to the stone age.

With what. Israel doesn't have long range heavy bombers. You can't bomb a whole country the size of Iran with fight jets back to the stone age.

Smackdown please do your homework before commenting.....
Trust me Israel has a way.......nuff said!!

Please tell us, what is the way?
 
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: smack Down
Iran can have all the fun it wants piss of israel because israel doesn't have the troops to occupy Iran and we a stuck in Iraq.

Occupation is not a requirement to win a war through blowing the other side into the stone age.

B-52 bombers, that could fly at heights that prevented them being seen or heard, dropped 8 million tons of bombs on Vietnam between 1965 and 1973. This was over three times the amount of bombs dropped throughout the whole of the Second World War and worked out at approximately 300 tons for every man, woman and child living in Vietnam.

8 million tons sure as hell didn't win a war even with a large amount of ground troops. How many tons would it take to win a war in Iran? Your a complete fool to think you can win a war with bombs alone.

You compare open desert to the jungle? 😕
I dare you to hide any offensive force from infrared planes and satellites in this day.

Also, you mentioned staying. That says nothing of the forces that could be sent to in plow through all resistance and leave the very next day to move onto the next target, and then return home when Iran is in ruins.

Do bombs not work in a jungle? As for defeating infrared dig a tunnel. If you send in force planing to leave the next day the enemy will just hid and repear after you leave.

Look, more blabbling about something you have no idea about. Honestly, go open a book, I am sure your IQ will increase 10 fold if you do.

Is your plan going to be to drop a 2000 pound bomb on each person living in Iran? That seems like it will take a really long time. Good luck with that plan.
 
smack Down (and others)

Look, you CAN destroy a country by air to the point where they no longer have a method or will to retaliate. Israel is completely capable of defeating the air forces of Syria and Iran at the same time.

You cannot hide in bunkers (proven in Iraq). You cannot hide in tunnels for long (they show by satellite). You can't even move under cover of darkness (As proven in Iraq, Afghanistan, Panama etc). You can defeat armored vehicles (Iraq, Afghanistan), and you can remove the ability to manufacture weapons of any sort more complex than a club (Iraq, Afghanistan, Bosnia). You can inhibit movement of troops to the point where they are ineffective (Iraq, Afghanistan, Panama). All this can be done without hitting individuals or cities as entities. Only the infrastructure itself needs to be hit.

Vietnam, as others are babbling about, had preselected targeting lists, made months earlier, and aproved by a congressional committee. Of course the enemy also knew this after a short while, so kept a fluid battle line. There were NO TARGETS OF OPPORTUNITY allowed, and changes to the list required months, by which time the enemy was no longer there.

 
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: smack Down
Originally posted by: Jaskalas
Originally posted by: smack Down
Iran can have all the fun it wants piss of israel because israel doesn't have the troops to occupy Iran and we a stuck in Iraq.

Occupation is not a requirement to win a war through blowing the other side into the stone age.

B-52 bombers, that could fly at heights that prevented them being seen or heard, dropped 8 million tons of bombs on Vietnam between 1965 and 1973. This was over three times the amount of bombs dropped throughout the whole of the Second World War and worked out at approximately 300 tons for every man, woman and child living in Vietnam.

8 million tons sure as hell didn't win a war even with a large amount of ground troops. How many tons would it take to win a war in Iran? Your a complete fool to think you can win a war with bombs alone.

You compare open desert to the jungle? 😕
I dare you to hide any offensive force from infrared planes and satellites in this day.

Also, you mentioned staying. That says nothing of the forces that could be sent to in plow through all resistance and leave the very next day to move onto the next target, and then return home when Iran is in ruins.

Do bombs not work in a jungle? As for defeating infrared dig a tunnel. If you send in force planing to leave the next day the enemy will just hid and repear after you leave.

Look, more blabbling about something you have no idea about. Honestly, go open a book, I am sure your IQ will increase 10 fold if you do.

Is your plan going to be to drop a 2000 pound bomb on each person living in Iran? That seems like it will take a really long time. Good luck with that plan.

Perhaps you should learn some basics about warfare, really really simple basics before you begin sprouting off. You have to give the most ignorant, uneducated answers on this forum. How about you tell me where anyone said anything about 2000 pound bombs on each person? Are you that pathetic that you need to sprout off ignorant crap that you have no idea over. You ignored my comment earlier in regards to your history does not matter, perhaps it would do you well to head that device before you make a bigger fool of yourself here. Honestly, my brother who is in the 10th grade knows more regarding the politics of the ME than you do, or I am afraid you ever will. Perhaps it would be for the best if quit posting in any ME threads until you take a crash course on the history, or at least try to eductae yourself. An educated opinion is the only opinion that matters.
 
Again I ask, how will Israel strike targets in Iran, especially eastern Iran?

The F-15Is at the end of their legs, just able to reach Tehran, overflying Iraq/Saudi Arabia/Jordan just to get there?

Or will they be refueled over Iraq?

Or maybe lob 24 Popeye Turbos from the 3 Dolphin submarines?

Really going to blow a huge country into the stone age.....

Or are people advocating nukes again?
 
Originally posted by: Termagant
Again I ask, how will Israel strike targets in Iran, especially eastern Iran?

The F-15Is at the end of their legs, just able to reach Tehran, overflying Iraq/Saudi Arabia/Jordan just to get there?

Or will they be refueled over Iraq?

Or maybe lob 24 Popeye Turbos from the 3 Dolphin submarines?

Really going to blow a huge country into the stone age.....

Or are people advocating nukes again?

They will refuel in Iraq obviously.
 
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