Israel evicts 150 Palestinians out of their homes, builds synagogue over land.

[nick1985]

At best the UN is allowing Israel to administration the TEMPORARY the occupation of such disputed lands. But by UN core doctrine, land gained by military conquest can never be owned by the any such military conquest.

They didnt get it through military conquest.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Patranus seems to have a talent for total falsehood, in saying, "Disputed land? You mean the land that the international governing organization (U.N.) gave them?"

At best the UN is allowing Israel to administration the TEMPORARY the occupation of such disputed lands. But by UN core doctrine, land gained by military conquest can never be owned by the any such military conquest.

Like GWB discovered in a military occupation of Iraq, once the UN withdraws its seal of approval for the legitimacy of a military occupation, all legitimacy for the US Iraqi occupation vanished.

Did the UN do anything about Russia gaining land by military conquest?
If a country cedes land to another as a result of war; that apparently is not valid. If so; the many of the wars that the US had against Mexico and Spain gained territory and should not count.

Where was the UN when Israel was attacked by the Arab countries in an attempt to take territory by force?

Where was the UN when Hamas began a purge in Gaza. Nowhere. But had Israel done such; there would have been an outroar.

 

[Lemon law]

The little Common Courtesy logical point missing in action, is that Russia gained the land by right of conquest BEFORE the UN existed and before the Russians joined the UN.

But when the State of Israel was created by the UN in 1948, Israel SHOULD be playing by UN rules, that clearly state, gaining land by right of military conquest is illegitimate period.

The other point to make is that Russia ended up losing the set of those nations gained by military conquest anyway some 45 years later, add 45 to 1967, and Israel is due to lose their lands gained by conquest in 2012. That world sea change is about right on schedule, and the world wide pressure on Israel will now just continue to build.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Russia still controls islands that belong to Japan

Israel was ceded land controlled by Jordan.

No one complained when Jordan was controlling the land and the expelled the PLO after Black September.

 

[Lemon law]

Russia still controls islands that belong to Japan

Israel was ceded land controlled by Jordan.

No one complained when Jordan was controlling the land and the expelled the PLO after Black September.

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No one single injustice justifies much of anything, but Common Courtesy point granted, there is no shortage of such injustices. But when an Injustice becomes a continual and systemic world problem, the world eventually has to address it. And now its becoming the Israeli Palestinian conflict's turn in the barrel as a must address problem.

And its also becoming an Israeli survival question, the very initial Israeli problem of achieving military superiority immunity from attack was achieved by 1975, and now the next Israeli problem is how to make a Israeli acceptance peace with its neighbors.

And on that latter point, Israeli is doing everything to prevent its own long term survival by preventing that desired win win win next step.

 

[nick1985]

win win win next step.

Its the Middle East. There is no win win win next step. Only bloodshed. Everyone knows this

 

[EagleKeeper]

Israel has demonstrated that if the "opponent" is sincere about wanting peace - either through economic stability or military stability; she is willing to work with them.

If the opponent demonstrates that peace is not a desire option; then a state of war will continue to exists. And while the state of war continues; people will be injured on each side. Syria does not want a ceasation of hostilities - the same with Hezbollah/Lebanon.

The Palestinians are dependant on their sponsors; some which do not want peace in the region.

 

[Lemon law]

Common Courtesy, you must be out of your mind to believe, " Israel has demonstrated that if the "opponent" is sincere about wanting peace - either through economic stability or military stability; she is willing to work with them."

That has never been the case, and if nothing else, the Annapolis peace conference proved it beyond the shadow of a doubt.

Common Courtesy, if you do not critically examine your Israeli propaganda driven initial assumptions, your conclusions become garbage in garbage out.

I will not per say defend the Arabs or Palestinians either, but what we really all have to do is ask the more critical questions, after all the Israeli, Arab, and Palestinian giant mistakes of the past 62 years, how do we now progress to a just mid-east peace that will be a win win win for everyone but terrorists?

Clue #1, no one can ever get there without looking at all sides, and being just one sided is self defeating lack of logic.

 

[EagleKeeper]

There is peace with Jordan & Egypt. Why?

There is no peace with Syria - why.
Lebanon was ignored until the Palestinians pushed into that country.

Have the Palestinians shown that they want peace and can speak with one voice?

 

[Noobtastic]

The little Common Courtesy logical point missing in action, is that Russia gained the land by right of conquest BEFORE the UN existed and before the Russians joined the UN.

But when the State of Israel was created by the UN in 1948, Israel SHOULD be playing by UN rules, that clearly state, gaining land by right of military conquest is illegitimate period.

The other point to make is that Russia ended up losing the set of those nations gained by military conquest anyway some 45 years later, add 45 to 1967, and Israel is due to lose their lands gained by conquest in 2012. That world sea change is about right on schedule, and the world wide pressure on Israel will now just continue to build.

UN242 confirmed the 1967 war was a war of self-defense.

they didn't condemn the land acquisition as illegal.

this is why israel didn't annex any land cept for jerusalem because it was supposed to be a bargaining chip to force peace.


But, the arab states rejected UN242 (OH MAN THEY BROKE THE RULES!111, but they're muslim so we cant do anythin about it) and passed the three no's.

what's israel supposed to do?

israel has had the WB, Gaza, Golan and Jerusalem longer than any Arab state.

in fact, Jordan INVADED israel and captured east jerusalem in conquest, and yet the UN said nothing. Jordan annexed and occupied west bank and the UN said nothing.

The UN is a complete failure. and now it has been hijacked by the OIC and non-alignment movement.

And its also becoming an Israeli survival question, the very initial Israeli problem of achieving military superiority immunity from attack was achieved by 1975, and now the next Israeli problem is how to make a Israeli acceptance peace with its neighbors.

so the arab states aren't accepted to make peace with israel?

After 6 decades of pointless aggression and losing 5 wars in a humiliating fashion, the arab states get to make the demands?

that's not how it works LL. when US defeated germany and japan we conquered them, occupied them for decades. We punished germany and expelled 10,000,000 to soviet satellites and japan was a shithole for years after.

aggressors get occupied. aggressors get punished. aggresors don't get to make the rules.

the way the palestinians make demands ud think they won 5 consecutive wars.

of course, like chomsky - the arab states aren't expected to make peace with israel. they aren't even expected to make peace with each other. their wars - hama massacre, lebanon civil war, egyptian-yemen, black september - not relevant.

israel is the lightening rod.

israel is the problem.

 

[monkeh624]

Sclamoz has pretty much done it all already, but just for a sense of completion, here is the BBC article on it as well:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8687974.stm

 

[Noobtastic]

Sclamoz has pretty much done it all already, but just for a sense of completion, here is the BBC article on it as well:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8687974.stm

notice how the UN, AI, HRW, are nowhere to be seen?

just as they were nowhere when hamas stashed there latest rocket barrage on border cities in heavily-populated areas.

just as hezbollah moved their missiles to the north.

americans are paying for this.