Israel doesn't listen to the UN

[Aimster]

I am not here to bash Israel. I find it hilarious that a country the size of Israel is able to basically do whatever the hell they want whenever the hell they want. Nobody is going to stop Israel because being against Israel is being against Jews.

We have Israel troops still inside Lebanon. During the first conflict (many years ago) there are even videos of Israeli soldiers pushing UN vehicles out of the way because the UN was not allowing them to pass. Israel got their tanks and pushed the UN vehicles out of the way.

So what is the point of the UN? They cannot control a country with 6 million people.

Also, a country with 250 million people controls a country with 1.2 billion people.

The point of this thread is not about the Israel-Lebanon conflict. The point of this thread is the UN is a joke.

 

[Screech]

In general, countries will follow what the UN says as long as it benefits them; the israel stuff is nothing new. Israel ignores the UN, Hezbollah ignores the UN, everyone ignores the UN.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Aimster
The point of this thread is not about the Israel-Lebanon conflict. The point of this thread is the UN is a joke.

Agreed. The sad part of the joke is the billions of our tax money supporting them.

 

[LegendKiller]

Gee, the lap dog follows the master's lead right? Whoda thunk that once the country that lead the impetus to start the UN, abandons it, then others will to?

Screw it, who needs the UN when might makes right and we can invade who we want.

 

[SamurAchzar]

1. Israel can't be handicapped by UN resolutions. If Hizbullah can play, Israel can too
2. UNIFIL troops helped the kidnapping of the 3 Israeli soldiers in 2000; The UN admitted to be hiding evidence in this case.
3. UN resolution 1559, IIRC, claimed that Israel had no more territorial disputes with Lebanon, but that didn't stop Hizbullah

So I think that all parties in this conflict know UN is merely a formallity. What matters anyway is the opinion of 10 countries or so, and even they are insignifcant compared to the US.
I certainly wouldn't want my country to be controlled according to the opinion of 170 other countries, some of which are declared enemies, some of which are dictatorships.
US certainly wouldn't want the UN running between its legs.

UN has its role in providing some civilian assistance to trouble zones (Africa) as well as a worldwide discussion body. It's not a military organization.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Aimster
I am not here to bash Israel. I find it hilarious that a country the size of Israel is able to basically do whatever the hell they want whenever the hell they want. Nobody is going to stop Israel because being against Israel is being against Jews.

You say you are not here to bash Israel, but then that is exactly what you do.

You are the most openly pro Muslim person on this board, why state your opinion of the UN by attacking their resolutions against Israel?

If you really wanted to show that the UN is worthless why not mention the 10+ resolutions against Iraq that Iraq ignored and the UN refused to enforce?
How about the Iraqi food for oil scandal in which Kofi Annan's own son was implicated in?
How about the UN's inability to stop the slaughter in Dufar or Rowanda?
How about the fact that China, Cuba, Pakistan, Russia, Saudi Arabia and Azerbaijan were on the "United Nations Human Rights Council" ?

We don't even have to start talking about the UNs unfair treatment of Israel in order to prove its worthlessness. (There is whole page dedicated to that unfair treatment on Wikipedia)

One final question for you aimster...
You lump Israel and Jews together with your "being against Israel is being against Jews" statement.
But if anyone lumps Muslims in with terrorism you raise holy hell? Why the discrepancy?

Examples of your bias:
On the Isreal-Palastiniean conflict you said "Islam has nothing to do with the current conflict .... "
On ME governments "Lebanon is a democratic country & so is Palestine " and "Israel's democracy is no different from Lebanon's democracy and Palestine's democracy.
I dont see how you can single out one of them.. "

Here's a great comment by you about Iranian Ahmadinejad's plan to "wipe Israel" off the map

Wiping Israel off the map doesn't mean killing Jews.

It also does not mean killing civilians inside Israel.

In that same speech, he was talking about zionist and how the people of Israel need to rise up against it. He said Muslims Jews and Christians need to come together to fight Zionism.

He is basically against any kind of Jewish state in the M.E. Because Israel is just that, a religious state.

Israel has stated the regime of Iran as barbaric and better off not existing, Iran's President said the same thing in his own wording. Yet, the media makes it appear as if he is anti-Jew.

If he was anti-Jew, the Jews in Iran would be squashed

You say he's not anti-Jew, but he also denies the holocaust and wants to wipe Israel off the map... nice.
You starting a thread by saying ?I am not here to bash Israel? would be like me starting a threat saying ?I am not here to bash Clinton but?? no one would believe me for a second.

Next time you want to bash Israel just come right out and do it, don't try to hide behind some BS statement.

 

[Rainsford]

Of course Israel doesn't listen to the UN...any more than any other country does, why would they? The UN is pretty toothless by itself, it falls to individual countries to enforce (or not) their decisions. So what you get is countries listening when it benefits them, and ignoring the UN when THAT seems like a better idea. The US is a great example of this, as are most of the countries complaining about Israel's approach to the UN...it's not like their Arab and Muslim neighbors have been model UN members either. Actually, and keep in mind I'm not exactly a big fan of Israel, they have a more consistent attitude than most of the rest of the world...they ALWAYS seem to regard the UN as a body of little consequence. Which I suppose is more respectable than the rest of the world, the US included, that rants and raves about people breaking UN resolutions when it suits them, and breaking UN resolutions left and right when THAT suits them.

 

[yllus]

Nobody wants a UN that can enforce its aims on member nations. Nobody wants a world government or a world court or a world economic policy, except for some idealists. The differing interests throughout the world would make that the least fair government ever.

The UN serves its purpose, which is to act as a forum for diplomacy - even if 99% of the time the diplomacy changes nothing. The expense incurred is still worth it.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Aimster
We have Israel troops still inside Lebanon. During the first conflict...

I don't care about their actions in the first conflict; the matter at hand is what they are doing now.

So, you say Israel troops are still inside Lebanon. What has the UN done about that? They should take action to remove or replace the Israeli troops with UNIFIL. Perhaps Israel is still in Lebanon because the UN has refused to take concrete steps against Hezbollah and securing the border?

I'm interested in how much the UN has taken up its end of the cease fire, which was the requirement to stop Israel. If it lived up to those agreements then Israel is clearly in the wrong but if the UN is screwing the pooch and the cease fire deal then Lebanon should start burning again.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Also, a country with 250 million people controls a country with 1.2 billion people.

Please explain.

 

[Corbett]

Originally posted by: Aimster
I am not here to bash Iran. I find it hilarious that a country the size of Iran is able to basically do whatever the hell they want whenever the hell they want. Nobody is going to stop Iran because being against Iran is being against Muslims.

We have Hezbollah troops still inside Lebanon.

So what is the point of the UN? They cannot control a country with 70 million people.

The point of this thread is not about the Israel-Lebanon conflict. The point of this thread is the UN is a joke.

Edited for accuracy.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Aimster
I am not here to bash Israel. I find it hilarious that a country the size of Israel is able to basically do whatever the hell they want whenever the hell they want. Nobody is going to stop Israel because being against Israel is being against Jews.

You say you are not here to bash Israel, but then that is exactly what you do.

You are the most openly pro Muslim person on this board, why state your opinion of the UN by attacking their resolutions against Israel?

If you really wanted to show that the UN is worthless why not mention the 10+ resolutions against Iraq that Iraq ignored and the UN refused to enforce?
How about the Iraqi food for oil scandal in which Kofi Annan's own son was implicated in?
How about the UN's inability to stop the slaughter in Dufar or Rowanda?
How about the fact that China, Cuba, Pakistan, Russia, Saudi Arabia and Azerbaijan were on the "United Nations Human Rights Council" ?

We don't even have to start talking about the UNs unfair treatment of Israel in order to prove its worthlessness. (There is whole page dedicated to that unfair treatment on Wikipedia)

One final question for you aimster...
You lump Israel and Jews together with your "being against Israel is being against Jews" statement.
But if anyone lumps Muslims in with terrorism you raise holy hell? Why the discrepancy?

Examples of your bias:
On the Isreal-Palastiniean conflict you said "Islam has nothing to do with the current conflict .... "
On ME governments "Lebanon is a democratic country & so is Palestine " and "Israel's democracy is no different from Lebanon's democracy and Palestine's democracy.
I dont see how you can single out one of them.. "

Here's a great comment by you about Iranian Ahmadinejad's plan to "wipe Israel" off the map

Wiping Israel off the map doesn't mean killing Jews.

It also does not mean killing civilians inside Israel.

In that same speech, he was talking about zionist and how the people of Israel need to rise up against it. He said Muslims Jews and Christians need to come together to fight Zionism.

He is basically against any kind of Jewish state in the M.E. Because Israel is just that, a religious state.

Israel has stated the regime of Iran as barbaric and better off not existing, Iran's President said the same thing in his own wording. Yet, the media makes it appear as if he is anti-Jew.

If he was anti-Jew, the Jews in Iran would be squashed

You say he's not anti-Jew, but he also denies the holocaust and wants to wipe Israel off the map... nice.
You starting a thread by saying ?I am not here to bash Israel? would be like me starting a threat saying ?I am not here to bash Clinton but?? no one would believe me for a second.

Next time you want to bash Israel just come right out and do it, don't try to hide behind some BS statement.

EH?

You link being Muslim to being against Israel as if it has anything to do with the religion of Muslims. It is an Arab vs Israel problem. You continue to fail to see that.

& you are new here so here is a news flash, I have family in Israel and my mother's family is Jewish. That makes Aimster.. JEWISH by birth. I eat pork I don't fast I have sex and I hate the religion that has taken over Iran. Anyone on this board who has read my stuff for the last 1-2 years know this.

So instead of jumping to assumptions and taking out your pro-Israel BS on me, go find another hobby.

If you want to defend Israel like some members on this forum do the world a favor and go die for them. I live in the U.S and I will die for the U.S. The hell with Israel if you want to regard it as some perfect state. They are def. not perfect.

& I have openly defended Israel numerous times, esp. in their conflict with Arabs.

Defending Muslims? I do not defend Muslims. I point out the FACTS. You call that defending? Stating something is not part of the Quran is not defending anything. Unlike certain members here I don't need to BS. Unlike certain members here I do not find it a hobby to bash another's religion every day by making threads on ATOT.

& everything I said in those things you quoted me on have been TRUE.
Don't sit here and tell me I was wrong because I wasn't. If I was wrong then people should have said something then.

So you are mad because I don't state the truth in Israel threads? THERE ARE NONE. The number of anti-Muslim threads vs anti-Israel threads is like 99-1. & Nobody on this board is going around saying "Jews did this". People are going around saying "Muslims did this". The same people who create one anti-Muslim thread create another. Like I said they have a sick hobbby or they just want to reassure that their hate is justified.

There is a lot of anti-Muslim crap on these boards. They are carried out by the same people over and over and over again.

I am stating facts.
If you do not like my facts then post your own facts.

& as far as Iran's President goes... I don't care if he denies the holocaust or not. That has what to do with hating Jews? Maybe you should read his arguement for the Holocaust rather than just read the headline on CNN.com. & wiping Israel off the map does not mean killing the Jews. It means calling Israel Palestine and letting the people of "Palestine" vote on their future. Maybe you should read the entire transcript rather than take the word of CNN.com headline.
He came to the U.S. Nobody asked him "Do you hate Jews? Do you want Jews dead?". Why? Because they know that is not what he meant.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: Aimster
Also, a country with 250 million people controls a country with 1.2 billion people.

Please explain.

U.S - India
U.S has veto

India has..?

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Corbett

Originally posted by: Aimster
I am not here to bash Iran. I find it hilarious that a country the size of Iran is able to basically do whatever the hell they want whenever the hell they want. Nobody is going to stop Iran because being against Iran is being against Muslims.

We have Hezbollah troops still inside Lebanon.

So what is the point of the UN? They cannot control a country with 70 million people.

The point of this thread is not about the Israel-Lebanon conflict. The point of this thread is the UN is a joke.

Edited for accuracy.

How is Iran doing anything they want?

How is being against Iran being against Muslims? Many Muslims are against Iran.
In fact the majority of them are.

Hezbollah is inside Lebanon because they are Lebanese. Let's deport them to your house? Problem solved?

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: Aimster
I am not here to bash Israel. I find it hilarious that a country the size of Israel is able to basically do whatever the hell they want whenever the hell they want. Nobody is going to stop Israel because being against Israel is being against Jews.

We have Israel troops still inside Lebanon. During the first conflict (many years ago) there are even videos of Israeli soldiers pushing UN vehicles out of the way because the UN was not allowing them to pass. Israel got their tanks and pushed the UN vehicles out of the way.

So what is the point of the UN? They cannot control a country with 6 million people.

Also, a country with 250 million people controls a country with 1.2 billion people.

The point of this thread is not about the Israel-Lebanon conflict. The point of this thread is the UN is a joke.

The most important thing is for the U.S., one of the main backers and creators of the U.N., to follow the U.N. to set an example and lead. They don't, so why should others?

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: shadow9d9

Originally posted by: Aimster
I am not here to bash Israel. I find it hilarious that a country the size of Israel is able to basically do whatever the hell they want whenever the hell they want. Nobody is going to stop Israel because being against Israel is being against Jews.

We have Israel troops still inside Lebanon. During the first conflict (many years ago) there are even videos of Israeli soldiers pushing UN vehicles out of the way because the UN was not allowing them to pass. Israel got their tanks and pushed the UN vehicles out of the way.

So what is the point of the UN? They cannot control a country with 6 million people.

Also, a country with 250 million people controls a country with 1.2 billion people.

The point of this thread is not about the Israel-Lebanon conflict. The point of this thread is the UN is a joke.

The most important thing is for the U.S., one of the main backers and creators of the U.N., to follow the U.N. to set an example and lead. They don't, so why should others?

I'm sure there are plenty (Iraq probably), but can you name instances when the U.S has not followed the U.N?

I figure that since the U.S can veto anything they want that they have actually followed all the rules of the UN since they just used their veto power thus making it acceptable.

 

[Tom]

"The point of this thread is the UN is a joke."


The UN is about communication, not creating a world dominating organization that orders countries around.

If God wanted the UN to be in charge, he wouldn't have told G Bush it's his job.

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Aimster
U.S - India
U.S has veto

India has..?

I hope you do realize that you could've phrased your original post a lot better than you did, since if you have not mentioned the veto issue -- which is what you really complain about -- then you were implying that India is the USA's puppet.

Oh, and if you really had nothing against Israel, and this thread was really about the UN, then you would not have used "Israel doesn't listen to the UN".

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: Aimster
U.S - India
U.S has veto

India has..?

I hope you do realize that you could've phrased your original post a lot better than you did, since if you have not mentioned the veto issue -- which is what you really complain about -- then you were implying that India is the USA's puppet.

Oh, and if you really had nothing against Israel, and this thread was really about the UN, then you would not have used "Israel doesn't listen to the UN".

My main point was the country the size of Israel is owning the UN thus making the UN a joke. Which is exactly why the U.S-India comparo was brought up.

It was not intended to be about Israel-Lebanon which I made clear.

Now you know and knowing is half the battle

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Aimster

You link being Muslim to being against Israel as if it has anything to do with the religion of Muslims. It is an Arab vs Israel problem. You continue to fail to see that.

That has almost become a fact of life: Muslims have some sort of beef with Jews, whether they are in the Middle East, Indonasia, Africa, Britain, or the USA.

& you are new here so here is a news flash, I have family in Israel and my mother's family is Jewish. That makes Aimster.. JEWISH by birth. I eat pork I don't fast I have sex and I hate the religion that has taken over Iran. Anyone on this board who has read my stuff for the last 1-2 years know this.

Well then, you must be one of those self-hating quasi-Jews.
Reminds me of these bozos that would sooner side with Hezbollah, than with Israel.

If you want to defend Israel like some members on this forum do the world a favor and go die for them. I live in the U.S and I will die for the U.S. The hell with Israel if you want to regard it as some perfect state. They are def. not perfect.

And this totally voids your comment about being half-Jewish, etc, etc.
It's not about defending Israle, but when you start a thread with the title you did, what do you expect people to think of you motives?

Defending Muslims? I do not defend Muslims. I point out the FACTS. You call that defending?

Pointing out some facts, while ignoring others.

& everything I said in those things you quoted me on have been TRUE.
Don't sit here and tell me I was wrong because I wasn't. If I was wrong then people should have said something then.

Sorry I missed your comment about what Iran's "true" intentions are, but making a distinction between Jews and Zionist is rather lame, especially when The Protocols of the Elders of Zion are popular with Muslims. Also, articles like the following -- Iran's Jews face growing climate of fear -- don't support any argument that Iran has any intentions other than killing Jews.

Nobody on this board is going around saying "Jews did this". People are going around saying "Muslims did this". The same people who create one anti-Muslim thread create another. Like I said they have a sick hobbby or they just want to reassure that their hate is justified.

You really have to give examples about "Jews did this"; after all, people do see what Muslims (or pseudo Muslims) do. People are affected directly by a plane being blown up, or a cabby deciding that he cannot transport someone who got a bottle of wine at the duty free shop.

There is a lot of anti-Muslim crap on these boards. They are carried out by the same people over and over and over again.

Perhaps we don't like the crap muslims do? or that the majority is complicit in what the minority is doing?

 

[imported_dna]

Originally posted by: Aimster
My main point was the country the size of Israel is owning the UN thus making the UN a joke. Which is exactly why the U.S-India comparo was brought up.

What the hell are you talking about? How does Israel own the UN?

If anything, the Arab League, and their weak-minded European friends own the UN, otherwise there would not have been a bazillion condemnations Israel.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: dna

Originally posted by: Aimster

You link being Muslim to being against Israel as if it has anything to do with the religion of Muslims. It is an Arab vs Israel problem. You continue to fail to see that.

That has almost become a fact of life: Muslims have some sort of beef with Jews, whether they are in the Middle East, Indonasia, Africa, Britain, or the USA.

& you are new here so here is a news flash, I have family in Israel and my mother's family is Jewish. That makes Aimster.. JEWISH by birth. I eat pork I don't fast I have sex and I hate the religion that has taken over Iran. Anyone on this board who has read my stuff for the last 1-2 years know this.

Well then, you must be one of those self-hating quasi-Jews.
Reminds me of these bozos that would sooner side with Hezbollah, than with Israel.

If you want to defend Israel like some members on this forum do the world a favor and go die for them. I live in the U.S and I will die for the U.S. The hell with Israel if you want to regard it as some perfect state. They are def. not perfect.

And this totally voids your comment about being half-Jewish, etc, etc.
It's not about defending Israle, but when you start a thread with the title you did, what do you expect people to think of you motives?

Defending Muslims? I do not defend Muslims. I point out the FACTS. You call that defending?

Pointing out some facts, while ignoring others.

& everything I said in those things you quoted me on have been TRUE.
Don't sit here and tell me I was wrong because I wasn't. If I was wrong then people should have said something then.

Sorry I missed your comment about what Iran's "true" intentions are, but making a distinction between Jews and Zionist is rather lame, especially when The Protocols of the Elders of Zion are popular with Muslims. Also, articles like the following -- Iran's Jews face growing climate of fear -- don't support any argument that Iran has any intentions other than killing Jews.

Nobody on this board is going around saying "Jews did this". People are going around saying "Muslims did this". The same people who create one anti-Muslim thread create another. Like I said they have a sick hobbby or they just want to reassure that their hate is justified.

You really have to give examples about "Jews did this"; after all, people do see what Muslims (or pseudo Muslims) do. People are affected directly by a plane being blown up, or a cabby deciding that he cannot transport someone who got a bottle of wine at the duty free shop.

There is a lot of anti-Muslim crap on these boards. They are carried out by the same people over and over and over again.

Perhaps we don't like the crap muslims do? or that the majority is complicit in what the minority is doing?

Blah blah...

I counter your scotsman.com post

with this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5367892.stm

It is not a sight you would expect in a revolutionary Islamic state, but there are synagogues dotted all over Iran where Jews discreetly practise their religion.

"Because of our long history here we are tolerated," says Jewish community leader Unees Hammami, who organised the prayers.

Despite the offence Mahmoud Ahmedinejad has caused to Jews around the world, his office recently donated money for Tehran's Jewish hospital. - OMG WTF? He is supposed to hate JEWS! OMGWTF!&(*!#

In between chopping up meat, butcher Hersel Gabriel tells me how he expected problems when he came back from Israel, but in fact the immigration officer didn't say anything to him.

He says the father of Iran's revolution, Imam Khomeini, recognised Jews as a religious minority that should be protected.

"It's not a problem coming and going; I went to Israel once through Turkey and once through Cyprus and it was not problem at all," she says.


So therefore the fact that Jews living inside Iran which is a fanatical wacko Muslim state do not feel threatened ... it proves that everything you have just said about Jews-Muslims is total BS.

That is unless you want to post more crap from unreliable sources and counter my bbc source.

Bye and keep trying.

In fact I will make a thread about this. You can destroy it all you want. I will will not reply.

 

[imported_dna]

Sorry buddy, as far as I'm concerned, the BBC has lost credibility during the Israel-Lebanon conflict. (EDIT: to take a page from your play book -- they are not a reliable source )

Furthermore, seeing as how the Iranian gov. controls everything, I have no reason to believe that whatever Jews said they love Iran, didn't just do that out of fear; I'm more inclined to believe my article. After all, didn't you mention in another thread that a newspaper that criticized the president got closed down within days?

Oh, and your attempt to prove a point by stressing that he donated money to a hostpital is simply laughable: donating some money doesn't prove anything -- it only helps him convince credulous people like you. (btw, he'd have to donate a serious amount of money in order for it to be of any indication, but, alas, they don't tell you how much)

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: dna
Sorry buddy, as far as I'm concerned, the BBC has lost credibility during the Israel-Lebanon conflict. (EDIT: to take a page from your play book -- they are not a reliable source )

Furthermore, seeing as how the Iranian gov. controls everything, I have no reason to believe that whatever Jews said they love Iran, didn't just do that out of fear; I'm more inclined to believe my article. After all, didn't you mention in another thread that a newspaper that criticized the president got closed down within days?

Oh, and your attempt to prove a point by stressing that he donated money to a hostpital is simply laughable: donating some money doesn't prove anything -- it only helps him convince credulous people like you. (btw, he'd have to donate a serious amount of money in order for it to be of any indication, but, alas, they don't tell you how much)

haha

Sorry BBC > scotsman

 

[imported_dna]

Sorry buddy, but after accepting crap from Hezbollah, like the ambulance story, as facts, I have little reason to trust their reporting skills in hot zones.

Also, as can be seen here, the fact that the photo was staged dosen't stop them from using it -- they just seem to accept that kind of staging as being harmless.