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Free people have the right to vote, the right to travel, the right to life, liberty and property, and above all equal rights under law.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel

As of 2008, Arab citizens of Israel comprise just over 20% of the country's total population. The majority of these identify themselves as Arab or Palestinian by nationality and Israeli by citizenship.[3][4][5] Many have family ties to Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, as well as to Palestinian refugees in Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon. Negev Bedouins tend to identify more as Israelis than other Arab citizens of Israel.[6] Unlike other Arabs, the Druze are conscripted into the Israel Defense Forces.[7][8]


Special cases include Arabs living in East Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights, administered by Israel since the Six-Day War of 1967. The residents of East Jerusalem became permanent residents of Israel shortly after the war. Only a few of them accepted Israeli citizenship, and most of them keep close ties with the West Bank. They are allowed to vote for municipal services.[9] The mostly Druze residents of the Golan Heights are considered permanent residents under the Golan Heights Law of 1981. The vast majority have refused to accept full Israeli citizenship, choosing to retain their Syrian citizenship and identity.[10]


Of the arabs that accepted citizenship under the israeli government, they can vote.

Most, dont want full citizenship because they dont acknowledge israel's right to exist.


Arabs with citizenship can hold offices.

In January 2007 the first non-Druze Arab minister in Israel's history, Raleb Majadele, was appointed minister without portfolio

They also have representation

Arab political parties




There are three mainstream Arab parties in Israel: Hadash (a joint Arab-Jewish party with a large Arab presence), Balad, and the United Arab List, which is a coalition of several different political organizations including the Islamic Movement in Israel. In addition to these, there is Ta'al. All of these parties primarily represent Arab-Israeli and Palestinian interests, and the Islamic Movement is an Islamist organization with two factions: one which opposes Israel's existence, and another which opposes its existence as a Jewish state. Two Arab parties ran in Israel's first election in 1949, with one, the Democratic List of Nazareth, winning two seats. Until the 1960s all Arab parties in the Knesset were aligned with Mapai, the ruling party.
A minority of Arabs join and vote for Zionist parties; in the 2006 elections 30% of the Arab vote went to such parties, up from 25% in 2003,[99] though down on the 1999 (30.5%) and 1996 elections (33.4%).[100] Left-wing parties (i.e. Labor Party and Meretz-Yachad, and previously One Nation) are the most popular parties amongst Arabs, though some Druze have also voted for right-wing parties such as Likud and Yisrael Beiteinu, as well as the centrist Kadima.[101][102]
Representation in the Knesset




Palestinian Arabs sat in the state's first parliamentary assembly; currently, 14 of the 120 members of the Israeli Parliament are Arab citizens, most representing Arab political parties, and one of Israel's Supreme Court judges is a Palestinian Arab.[103]
Some Arab Members of the Knesset, past and present, are under police investigation for their visits to countries designated as enemy countries by Israeli law. This law was amended following MK Mohammad Barakeh's trip to Syria in 2001, such that MKs must explicitly request permission to visit these countries from the Minister of the Interior. In August 2006, Balad MKs Azmi Bishara, Jamal Zahalka, and Wasil Taha visited Syria without requesting nor receiving such permission, and a criminal investigation of their actions was launched. Former Arab Member of Knesset Muhammad Miari was questioned 18 September 2006 by police on suspicion of having entered a designated enemy country without official permission. He was questioned "under caution" for 2.5 hours in the Petah Tikva station about his recent visit to Syria. Another former Arab Member of Knesset, Muhammad Kanaan, was also summoned for police questioning regarding the same trip.[104] In 2010, six Arab MKs visited Libya, an openly anti-Zionist Arab state, and met with Muammar al-Gaddafi and various senior government officials. Gaddafi urged them to seek a one-state solution, and for Arabs to "multiply" in order to counter any "plots" to expel them.[105]
According to a study commissioned by the Arab Association of Human Rights entitled "Silencing Dissent," over the past three years, eight of nine of these Arab Knesset members have been beaten by Israeli forces during demonstrations.[106] Most recently according to the report, legislation has been passed, including three election laws [e.g., banning political parties], and two Knesset related laws aimed to "significantly curb the minority [Arab population] right to choose a public representative and for those representatives to develop independent political platforms and carry out their duties"[107]
[edit] Representation in the civil service sphere

In the public employment sphere, by the end of 2002, 6.1% of 56,362 Israeli civil servants were Arab.[108] In January 2004, Prime Minister Ariel Sharon declared that every state-run company must have at least one Arab citizen of Israel on its board of directors.[109]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel#cite_note-108
Representation in political, judicial and military positions




Cabinet: Nawaf Massalha, an Arab Muslim, has served in various junior ministerial roles, including Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs, since 1999.[110] Until 2001, no Arab had been included in a Prime Minister's cabinet, or invited to join any political coalition. In 2001, this changed, when Salah Tarif, a Druze Arab citizen of Israel, was appointed a member of Sharon's cabinet without a portfolio. Tarif was later ejected after being convicted of corruption.[111] In 2007 the first non-Druze Arab minister in Israel's history, Raleb Majadele, was appointed a minister without portfolio, and a month later appointed minister for Science, Culture and Sport.[41][112] The appointment of Majadele was criticized by far-right Israelis, some of whom are also within the Cabinet, but this drew condemnation across the mainstream Israeli political spectrum.[42][113] Meanwhile Arab lawmakers called the appointment an attempt to "whitewash Israel's discriminatory policies against its Arab minority".[114][115]
Knesset: Arab citizens of Israel have been elected to every Knesset, and currently hold 12 of its 120 seats. The first female Arab MP was Hussniya Jabara, a Muslim Arab from central Israel, who was elected in 1999.[116]
Supreme Court: Abdel Rahman Zuabi, a secular Muslim from northern Israel, was the first Arab on the Israeli Supreme Court, serving a 9-month term in 1999. In 2004, Salim Joubran, a Christian Arab from Haifa descended from Lebanese Maronites, became the first Arab to hold a permanent appointment on the Court. Jubran's expertise lies in the field of criminal law.[117]
Foreign Service: Ali Yahya, an Arab Muslim, became the first Arab ambassador for Israel in 1995 when he was appointed ambassador to Finland. He served until 1999, and in 2006 was appointed ambassador to Greece. Other Arab ambassadors include Walid Mansour, a Druze, appointed ambassador to Vietnam in 1999, and Reda Mansour, also a Druze, a former ambassador to Ecuador. Mohammed Masarwa, an Arab Muslim, was Consul-General in Atlanta. In 2006, Ishmael Khaldi was appointed Israeli consul in San Francisco, becoming the first Bedouin consul of the State of Israel.[118]
Israel Defense Forces: Arab Generals in the IDF include Major General Hussain Fares, commander of Israel's border police, and Major General Yosef Mishlav, head of the Home Front Command and current Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories.[119] Both are members of the Druze community. Other high ranking officers in the IDF include Lieutenant Colonel Amos Yarkoni (born Abd el-Majid Hidr/ عبد الماجد حيدر) from the Bedouin community, a legendary officer in the Israel Defense Forces and one of six Israeli Arabs to have received the IDF's third highest decoration, the Medal of Distinguished Service.
Jewish National Fund: In 2007, Ra'adi Sfori became the first Arab citizen of Israel to be elected as a JNF director, over a petition against his appointment. The court upheld the JNF's appointment, explaining, "As this is one director among a large number, there is no chance he will have the opportunity to cancel the organization's goals."[120]


I dont expect you to read it, but I think you get the picture. there are arabs in every aspect of israeli society.

Equal rights under the law

Israel's Declaration of Independence called for the establishment of a Jewish state with equality of social and political rights, irrespective of religion, race, or sex.[137]


The rights of citizens are guaranteed by a set of basic laws (Israel does not have a written constitution).[138] Although this set of laws does not explicitly include the term "right to equality", the Israeli Supreme Court has consistently interpreted "Basic Law: Human Dignity and Liberty"[139] and "Basic Law: Freedom of Occupation (1994)"[140] as guaranteeing equal rights for all Israeli citizens.[141]


The Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs states that "Arab Israelis are citizens of Israel with equal rights" and states that "The only legal distinction between Arab and Jewish citizens is not one of rights, but rather of civic duty. Since Israel's establishment, Arab citizens have been exempted from compulsory service in the Israel Defense Forces (IDF)."[142] Druze and Circassians are drafted into the Israeli army, while other Arabs may serve voluntarily; however, only a very small number of Arabs choose to volunteer for the Israeli army.



Also, Arabs are allowed to travel within israel without problem. Except for the occasional checkpoint that everyone has to pass through, they are fine.
 

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Off the top of my head, ethnically cleansing about three quarters of a million of them from their homeland between 1947-1949 is one of the more obvious examples. Do you not consider that oppressive?

Israel did not ethnically cleanse 750,000 people.

MOST OF THEM LEFT BECAUSE THERE WAS WAR.

ISRAEL DID NOT START THE WAR.

you point the finger at israel, yet you forget who started to war to begin with.


That's not true, as I explained previously in this thread:


Here is the link for the first source which I accidently left out of my previous post.

israel stated that all permits that were already given out to build would be honored and those building wouldnt stop.

all new permits were on hold.


he clearly stated this when he voted on it.

"I have promised to allow our 300,000 brothers residing in the West Bank to continue to lead normal lives, and therefore construction that is already underway will not ne halted. We will continue to build synagogues, schools and kindergartens," he said.

so honestly, why should the palestinians complain?

its not like they can stop the settlements any way OTHER than sit at the table.

besides, all of the settlements being built are in areas Israel wants in a peace deal with the palestinians.

it would be argued to swap some land around to adjust to these settlements that are too large to just abandon.
 

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Originally Posted by bfdd


Israel seems bent on oppression? Point to all the pro-active measures Israel has taken to oppress the Palestinians.




Off the top of my head, ethnically cleansing about three quarters of a million of them from their homeland between 1947-1949 is one of the more obvious examples. Do you not consider that oppressive?


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Originally Posted by bfdd


9 month settlement freeze in which Israel agreed to sit down and discuss their issues. Palestinians did nothing until after the deadline in which they bitched about the unfreezing of settlements.




That's not true, as I explained previously in this thread:


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Originally Posted by kylebisme


Nonsense, see Cabinet approves 10-month West Bank settlement freeze:


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Eleven ministers vote in favor of Netanyahu's proposal to halt construction in West Bank for 10-month period in bid to jumpstart peace talks. Eleven ministers vote in favor of initiative; two Shas ministers absent. PM says, 'I hope Arab world will seize this opportunity to promote peace.' Palestinians reject move because freeze does not include construction in east Jerusalem




And Israel didn't even honor what limited freeze they did claim, as detailed in New report by Peace Now - Eight months into the settlement freeze:


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The Main Findings:
• At least 600 housing units have started to be built during the freeze, in over 60 different settlements.
• At least 492 of those housing units are in direct violation of the law of the freeze.
• During an average year (when there is no freeze) approximately 1,130 housing units start to be built in 8 months in the settlements. The new construction starts during the moratorium constitute approximately half of the normal construction pace in the settlements.
• Some 2,000 housing units are currently under construction in the settlements, most of them started before the freeze was announced in November 2009.




Palestinians would have been fools to negotiations while Israel was claiming a freeze yet continuing to expand settlements.




Here is the link for the first source which I accidently left out of my previous post.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/09/18/Israel-proposes-9-month-settlement-freeze/UPI-12251253279430/

Israel proposes 9-month settlement freeze

We could go 9 months or 10 months.....iether way the people who call themselves Palestinians never approached Israel about Peace. Then when israel offered to sit down and have 24/7 talks until a Peace could be worked out the people who call themselves Palestinians had nobody in authority to take Israel up on the offer. Plus they had a perfect opportunity to sit and talk and wait for Israel to back out of the talks. What a PR opportunity they missed.

The Israelis have shown themselves open to multiple avenues of peace. It is not they who are saying, "No," to reasonable offers.
The Palestinians, in their demand for complete capitulation, are the aggressors here.--DominionSeraph
 

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kyle, there's a big difference between oppression 60+ years ago and oppression now.
Not really, as Israel continues robbing Palestinians of their homeland through settlement expansion to this day, much of the West Bank settlements being built on privately owned Palestinian land.

And no, I don't support reparations. All nations are founded on the blood of others, all owned land was once someone elses.
Would you deny Holocaust survivors their right reparations too? If they had been denied reparations and some chose to engage in violence against those who robbed them of their homeland, would you consider oppressing Holocaust survivors a justified reaction?

Anyway, for a current an particularly vial form of oppression see how, Israeli settlements pump raw sewage on Palestinian farmland.

you point the finger at israel, yet you forget who started to war to begin with.
Rather, it's because the people who established the Israel ethnically cleansed hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from their homeland before declaring statehood on May 15 of 1948, and that's what started the war. When are you suggesting the war started?

so honestly, why should the palestinians complain?
Because as long as Israelis continue building wherever they like on the Palestinian side of the Green Line, Israel can't be expected to negotiate honestly. It would take a real settlement freeze for Israel to demonstrate real respect for Palestinian rights, not the pseudo-freeze they engaged in.

its not like they can stop the settlements any way OTHER than sit at the table.
Palestinians came to the table at Oslo where Israel negotiated them down to the Green Line, and it's not like that did anything but result in accelerated settlement expansion throughout the West Bank. While I gather you have a rather low opinion of Palestinians, surely you can't expect them to be so foolish to fall for the same trick twice?
 

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Not really, as Israel continues robbing Palestinians of their homeland through settlement expansion to this day, much of the West Bank settlements being built on privately owned Palestinian land.

wahh, israel already annexed the west bank from jordan back in 1967 and the peace deal with them reaffirmed just that.


Would you deny Holocaust survivors their right reparations too? If they had been denied reparations and some chose to engage in violence against those who robbed them of their homeland, would you consider oppressing Holocaust survivors a justified reaction?


Anyway, for a current an particularly vial form of oppression see how, Israeli settlements pump raw sewage on Palestinian farmland.


Rather, it's because the people who established the Israel ethnically cleansed hundreds of thousands of Palestinians from their homeland before declaring statehood on May 15 of 1948, and that's what started the war. When are you suggesting the war started?

bullshit. The israelis and arabs were fighting on BOTH sides after the 47 partition plan.

in 1948's independence war, israel was attacked by 7 arab countries and started the war which displaced a well put majority of the "refugees"

Because as long as Israelis continue building wherever they like on the Palestinian side of the Green Line, Israel can't be expected to negotiate honestly. It would take a real settlement freeze for Israel to demonstrate real respect for Palestinian rights, not the pseudo-freeze they engaged in.

Israel offered. Palestinians did not counteroffer.

just as with the pullout of gaza, the palestinians did nothing to help show they wanted peace

Palestinians came to the table at Oslo where Israel negotiated them down to the Green Line, and it's not like that did anything but result in accelerated settlement expansion throughout the West Bank. While I gather you have a rather low opinion of Palestinians, surely you can't expect them to be so foolish to fall for the same trick twice?


it goes both ways. Israel pulled out of gaza and got hamas. they pulled out of lebanon and got hezbollah.

why would israel try a third time without international (especially the arab league) to support it?

and I dont see the arab league all accepting israel as a country now-a-days, in fact, ever

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Earth to FGD, earth to FGD, just because Israel grants semi-equal rights to a 20% Arab minority, when it grants no such equal right to its larger Palestinian 30% minority, Israel simply cannot claim to be a democracy.

Democracy means equal rights to all, not just a few elite. And democracy cannot be based on heritability based birth, all children born inside of Israel must be granted equal rights or Israel immediately fails the democracy sniff test.
 

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Earth to FGD, earth to FGD, just because Israel grants semi-equal rights to a 20% Arab minority, when it grants no such equal right to its larger Palestinian 30% minority, Israel simply cannot claim to be a democracy.

Democracy means equal rights to all, not just a few elite. And democracy cannot be based on heritability based birth, all children born inside of Israel must be granted equal rights or Israel immediately fails the democracy sniff test.


want to show me how, on israeli territory, there is population that is not under equal rights?


gaza and west bank do not count because they are governed by the PA and Hamas.
 

Lemon law

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want to show me how, on israeli territory, there is population that is not under equal rights?


gaza and west bank do not count because they are governed by the PA and Hamas.
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Wrong again FGD, Israel governs the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem, if your statement were correct, Israel would go back to their 1948 borders and instead they refuse to do so.

Under what bullshit la la la basket have you been been hiding under for 44 years and counting.

Not only is democracy 100% or fail, so is the Israeli governance of land its can never own.

Israel simply needs to get the hell out of land it can never own.

And instead like a tiny child throwing a temper tantrum, Israel demands the right to tell their parents what to do.

And what the larger world is going to have to do, and that day draws ever closer, is to dope slap the child, on the principle of spare the rod or you spoil the child.

The only person you fool FGD, is only yourself.
 

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Wrong again FGD, Israel governs the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem, if your statement were correct, Israel would go back to their 1948 borders and instead they refuse to do so.

Under what bullshit la la la basket have you been been hiding under for 44 years and counting.

Not only is democracy 100% or fail, so is the Israeli governance of land its can never own.

Israel simply needs to get the hell out of land it can never own.

And instead like a tiny child throwing a temper tantrum, Israel demands the right to tell their parents what to do.

And what the larger world is going to have to do, and that day draws ever closer, is to dope slap the child, on the principle of spare the rod or you spoil the child.

The only person you fool FGD, is only yourself.

no, israel already pulled out of gaza. they do not rule over it, hamas does.

by your analogy, its like miami firing rockets at ft. lauderdale, but the federal government isnt doing anything to stop it.


all israel does with gaza is have a blockade so more rockets dont get smuggled in.



Why is the world demanded 67 borders and not 48?

After the peace treaty with israel, egypt gave up claims to gaza.

after the peace treaty with israel, jordan gave up claims to the west bank.

what happens now, is that israel can do what it wants with those territories.
 

Lemon law

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no, israel already pulled out of gaza. they do not rule over it, hamas does.

by your analogy, its like miami firing rockets at ft. lauderdale, but the federal government isnt doing anything to stop it.


all israel does with gaza is have a blockade so more rockets dont get smuggled in.



Why is the world demanded 67 borders and not 48?

After the peace treaty with israel, egypt gave up claims to gaza.

after the peace treaty with israel, jordan gave up claims to the west bank.

what happens now, is that israel can do what it wants with those territories.
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To only address the first and last piece of your bullshit, lets address the Gaza question first. Israel claims to have totally withdrawn from Gaza, yet they still maintain to have total control of Gaza air space, sea space, and when they don't like the policies of Hamas, they claim the right to ilegally embargo any and all Gaza imports or exports. Sorry FGD, that does not even begin to meet any sniff test of Gaza self determination. In short, Israel still rules Gaza.

Then the fact is and remains, by the post UN doctrine that land gains by conquest is illegitimate, only Israel claims they still have still have sovereignty when a best they can claim that an over extended 44 year and counting military occupation is their only claim to legitimacy regarding the West bank and East Jerusalem. Not a other single country including the USA will not recognize any permanent Israeli claim to any of the disputed territories.

Yet when this thread is about Israel destroying a West Bank road that would grant a peaceful Fatah a bit of autonomy, Israel without a single ounce of legitimacy demands the right to destroy an internationally funded road. True Israeli democracy in action, but wait, FGD claims Fatah and not Israel rules the West Bank?

Please sing with me to the tune of the jolly bastard kind of England, Israeli settler parties are full of fleas, and keep perpetually robbing, murdering, and raping their own Palestinians in only two and threes, but God bless the merry settler parties of Israel. As longs as the kings claim to be truly democratic, we should believe the Israeli claim, because the jolly bastard kings of England were also truly democratic.
 

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wahh, israel already annexed the west bank from jordan back in 1967 and the peace deal with them reaffirmed just that.
Not true, see here:

Through the Jerusalem Law Israel effectively, though not officially, annexed the territory of East Jerusalem, and its Palestinian residents have legal permanent residency status. Rejecting the Jerusalem Law, the UN Security Council passed UN Security Council Resolution 478, declaring that the law was "null and void". Although permanent residents are permitted, if they wish, to receive Israeli citizenship if they meet certain conditions including swearing allegiance to the State and renouncing any other citizenship, most Palestinians did not apply for Israeli citizenship for political reasons. There are various possible reasons as to why the West Bank had not been annexed to Israel after its capture in 1967.
Besides, Jordan never had any legal right to the West Bank to begin with, East Jerusalem or otherwise. They were illegally occupying it then, just as Israel is now, though Jordan was a far less malevolent occupier than Israel continues to be.

bullshit. The israelis and arabs were fighting on BOTH sides after the 47 partition plan.

in 1948's independence war, israel was attacked by 7 arab countries and started the war which displaced a well put majority of the "refugees"
Rather, Zionists were fighting anyone who their conquest of Palestine all the way back to their 1924 murder of Jacob Israel de Haan a Dutch Jew who promoted peaceful coexistence with the indigenous population rather than colonization.

But again, Zionists ethnically cleansed around 400,000 Palestinians from nearly 200 localities across both sides of the partition plan from the day it was adopted to the day the Arab states stepped in to stop it, as recounted in this Wiki article which I linked previously.

Israel offered. Palestinians did not counteroffer.
Rather, Israel offered psudo-freeze to start negotiations, and Palestinians effectively counteroffered by pointing out the fact that it wasn't a real freeze, as recounted in this Ynet article I quoted twice in this thread already.
, notably "Palestinians reject move because freeze does not include construction in east Jerusalem."

just as with the pullout of gaza, the palestinians did nothing to help show they wanted peace
Israel didn't give them any chance with that, withdrawing unilaterally to leave the place in chaos rather than arranging a peaceful transfer of power to the Palestinian Authority. Granted, that was exactly the plan, as Ariel Sharon's senior adviserDov Weisglass explained "The significance of the disengagement plan is the freezing of the peace process."

it goes both ways. Israel pulled out of gaza and got hamas. they pulled out of lebanon and got hezbollah.
If you bother to check the history on the formation of Hamas and Hezbollah, you'll find your timeline is way off. It was military occupying Palestine and Lebanon which got Israel Hamas and Hezbollah, while it's the lack of full withdrawal from Palestinian and Lebaniese territory which keeps them furious with Israel.

why would israel try a third time without international (especially the arab league) to support it?

and I dont see the arab league all accepting israel as a country now-a-days, in fact, ever
If you check UNGA proposal Peaceful settlement of the question of Palestine and it's voting record, you'll see the resolution has strong international support, including members of the Arab League who've also proposed the comparable Arab Peace Initiative directly. However, as Dov Weisglass explained in the article I linked above, it's really the Israeli establishment that doesn't want peace.
 
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Why is the world demanded 67 borders and not 48?
Because, as I explained above, Palestinians gave up everything past the 1967borders at Oslo in the hopes of getting peace from Israel, but Israel responded with accelerated settlement expansion instead.

what happens now, is that israel can do what it wants with those territories.
As there's no legal basis for this claim, I'm curious as to where you derive it from? I also have to wonder, if Israelis decided they wanted to build gas chambers on the territory to exterminate their Christian and Muslim populations with, do you contend they have the right to do that too, or where do you draw the line?
 

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Having Kylebisme and Lemon law post in the same thread is just totally idiotic madness!!
Both of them cannot get their stories straight.
Hell Kylebisdme is still smarting over having his ass handed to him in a hand basket in the 9/11 thread. Hell Kyle had to plagiarize somebody elses flawed physics and tried to pass them off as his own.

There is no way in hell that any of what both of you say could even remotely be the truth ....rofl...hahahahaaa

Good mushrooms huh???
 

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Hell Kyle had to plagiarize somebody elses flawed physics and tried to pass them off as his own.
Do you not realise that attempting to slander me with this wildly of topic lie only serves to demonstrate how you are completely incapable of refuting the facts I've presented in this thread?
 

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Do you not realise that attempting to slander me with this wildly of topic lie only serves to demonstrate how you are completely incapable of refuting the facts I've presented in this thread?

you really are delusional aren`t you???
You were proved wrong in your 9/11 thread and now you claim to post fact??? Just like you claimed to post facts in the 9/11 thread???

hahahaa
 

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I can see that JEDIYoda can't show proof he was in the US Navy during the 1982 Lebanon war. As usual he will tell any and every lie to put the Israelis in good light. We all know how open and welcoming the Israeli truly are as they only accept Jews that meets their standards.
 

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you should watch the documentary on NK

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/explorer/3089/Overview

I saw this one on netflix.

come back to me when you honestly believe israel is anything like that POS country

I did not compare Israel to North Korea. But oppression is oppression and it isn't right for a child born in Israeli occupied lands to live in the conditions they do.

I will say the same thing about kids in Cuba, our embargo is in part responsible for the world they live in, which is why I think we should stop the embargo. That doesn't mean I don't also think Cuba is responsible too, but I'm an American so my responsibility is to call out my government when I think it's wrong.

My points in this thread are directed to supporters of Israel, I am one myself, that when Israel behaves like a thug, a proper response isn't to blame their victim.
 

Lemon law

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Having Kylebisme and Lemon law post in the same thread is just totally idiotic madness!!
Both of them cannot get their stories straight.
Hell Kylebisdme is still smarting over having his ass handed to him in a hand basket in the 9/11 thread. Hell Kyle had to plagiarize somebody elses flawed physics and tried to pass them off as his own.

There is no way in hell that any of what both of you say could even remotely be the truth ....rofl...hahahahaaa

Good mushrooms huh???
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I just gotta love JEDIY logic. Here Kylebisme just posted some high quality links, and the first was a wikilink. Rather than rebut the links in any way, JediY points out that Kylesbisme may have been wrong once so not only must Kylebisme be 100% wrong on everything, ole Kylebisme has also magically acquired a reverse Midas effect, such that everything he reads turns from hard fact into total fiction.

You have discovered something very useful JEDIY, now all we have to do is get Kylebisme to explain why taxation is needed to fund governments, and poof taxes will not only vanish, we will get all the taxes we ever paid in our life refunded to us instantly. If one of our relatives died, all we have to do is hire Kyle to read their Obit, and instantly, our relative will be back alive. Son of Bitch, Kyle can get rich.

Well maybe not and its really a case where JEDIY is FOS again, and when he can't come up with any logic to support his position, he tries the ole baffle us with bullshit as the last refuge of scoundrels. And it takes far more than mere mushrooms to ever become as logically different as JEDIY is.