dahunan
Lifer
- Jan 10, 2002
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Yes.. look up Zionist Terrorists who did all they could since the inception of Israel to derail all peace plans
Didn't one of them even kill a great Jewish man named Yitzhak Rabin
So many find the Jews absolutely flawless and more peace promoting that mother theresa herself..
The UN just ca't win with its opponents.
Either they're worried that the UN will act too much on its own and pave the way for some world government, and if it's careful not to, they hate it for not being powerful enough.
Basically, the UN critics are "unintentional imperialists". They think that they want nothing but peace, but they set standards that only their country can have unlimited power and no others are allowed to rival it whatsoever (even to the point of wild speculations about biological weaponry distributed by cropdusters); they forgive virtually *any* violence by their nation and its allies as 'well intentioned' and therefore a good cause. They set the parameters as ones in which their nation working to rule the world is the only practical possibility of the policies, while not in any way recognizing that they are doing so, thinking all the while how 'fair' and 'generous' they are.
The sad thing is, this sort of delusion is seen in most empires, IMO. It's amazing how mythologies crop up easily in countries about why they're entitled to rule the world.
In all cases, it's actually 'for the good of the world'; why, while it's not perfect, jus think how bad it would be if the barbaric other powers ruled instead! Thank goodness!
Ozoned
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- Mar 22, 2004
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NO
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Originally posted by: NoShangriLa
Israel have the right to defend herself, and the provided images are manipulated by the bleeding heart liberal media. Just like the lies that the media painted during the Vietnam War.
Bushshite, Zionnazi Akbar....
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Originally posted by Craig234
The voice of evil.
It uses any wrong by one side as license for disproportionate, if not unlimited, wrong by the other.
It takes the clear case in Vietnam of a nation of peasants being oppressed by occupiers - China, France, Japan (during WWII), US puppets - and perversely everses the blame.
It sanitizes the unjustified aggressive murder of two million vietnamese absolving the killer.
As you bankrupt yourself morally to choose empire over decency, the little niggling realities how wrong you are have to be beaten down one by one, to fixyour cognitive dissonance. And so you rationalize each bit of reality. Collateral Damage! The fault of the enemy who hid among civilians! The liberal media trying to manipulate you!
It's not easy to look at children who are casualties and dehumanize them, but it's a dirty job and someone has to do it, and that someone is you. They're trying to trick you!
This started long before Hamas even existed, Israel has kept strict control over Gaza's watters and airspace since the end of the 1967 war.
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That was in response to aggression from the Arab states...
While Israel is allowed to bulldoze their house, drops bombs on them from above? Remember, the cease fire ended because Israel provoked it, not the other way around. The rocket attacks came after strikes from Israel.
What crack are you smoking? The rockets attacks never ended, and were continuing since the ceasefire was declared.
ZzZGuy
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- Nov 15, 2006
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Wat?
First, who are "they", and second I'm not American if that is why you are implying.
I also hate the UN because of situations like Rwanda, where the UN peace keepers rules of engagement meant that all they could do was stand around and watch as men woman and children where butchered in front of them. Solders had to be rotated out because they where cracking one by one, that is how bad it was for them to stand by and watch. The UN's arms, legs, eyes, ears and tongue are cut off by all the bickering nations that make up the UN so when they finally do something it's often very/too late and so much was compromised on that nothing can be done. Sure they are famous for sending food to starving people (often very late in the game) and peacekeepers that stand around and look pretty, but that is easy stuff. When it gets hard they crumble.
That is why I would want a 3d party that is not bound by the UN's B.S. that can exercise common sense.
palehorse
Lifer
- Dec 21, 2005
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I don't agree with that statement OR jpeyton's terrorist-hugging drivel. You're both wrong.
In order to maintain Western (my) support for their operations, Israel must adhere to the Laws of War. As long as they continue to do so, they will have our support. At the end of the day, this is the primary reason why we will never support terrorists like Hamas... they know no laws beyond Sharia, which is entirely unacceptable in a modern civilized world.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Whoa there junior - no where have I stated that Israel has been flawless. However, this thread just like so many others the last day or so are nothing but attempts for some of you to play on people's heart strings and somehow ignore the reality of the situation over there. Yes, innocent people are dying, but do you know how that can all stop? By the terrorists stopping their terrorism. The people of Gaza should stand up to the terrorists if they want the bombings by Israel to stop - it's really that simple. Ofcourse they won't because they've been taught and told to hate Israel. But hey... go ahead and try to continue with the propaganda...just be aware that it doesn't work on rational minded people.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
lol, the only morally bankrupt folks around here are the ones that don't seem to recognize that hamas is a terrorist organization that uses innocent people as "shields" and then plays the propaganda BS when attempts are made to take out the terrorists. It's quite simple as I just told your terrorist sympathizing brother - have them stop firing rockets and blowing themselves up to kill people and Israel will stop trying to kill them.
Not bothering to repeat myself, since you can't understand the points.
But on the cause of the the rockets, the recent history as I understand it is:
Last June, a 6 month truce was reached. The terms were for Hamas to stop the rocket attacks, and Israel to relax the embargo.
What reportedly happened is that Hamas stopped the rocket attacks, and Isralel did not keep their end of the deal. As time went on, Hamas continued to honor the truce, while Israel never did honor their agreement. As the deadline approached, and Israel said they wanted an extension, Hamas said that they were willing to renew the truce if the embargo ended. When Israel did not agree to that, Hamas said the truce would not be renewed.
After the truce was announced to be over, Hamas, apparently to pressure Israel to agree to the terms, launched many rockets; Israel responded with the invasion.
So, if my understanding is correct, the blame can be put on Israel's failing to honor the agreement on the embargo while Hamas gets credit for honoring the truce during the 6 month period, while Hamas is the nation who chose to renew rocket launches because of the embargo.
You can ask why Hamas thinks they're entitled to launch rockets over an embargo, and you can ask why Israel did not end the embargo.
That seems the basic situation - Israel pointing at the rocket attacks as grounds for war, and Hamas pointing to the ongoing oppression like the embargo as grounds for attacks.
The thing to note is your selectivity above and failiure to note how jpeyton was answering with a mirror for the evil JS80, who even you later disagree with
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Selective history much? Hamas did not stop the rocket attacks. They were infrequent during the truce but they were still launched. Also Israel did infact loosen the embargo but didn't go further due to continued rocket attacks. So again we are back to the terrorists not being able to help themselves in their quest to kill people and didn't stop firing rockets. There was no reason for Israel to open up more than they already had since the terrorists(hamas) had not fully stopped the rocket attacks. Oh, and there was plenty that was getting through despite the propaganda by the Israel haters.
idiotekniQues
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- Jan 4, 2007
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i would say most of the hyper pro-israeli anandtech Zionist contingent here are the same ones that rail against 'religious extremism' - as long as they are brown religious extremists.
but most of those same rabid neo-con foreign policy supporters all have a huge raging hard-on for the israelis.
now israel, the zionist state, was based upon ancient religious doctrine. its entire existance was premised on fanatical interpretation of ancient religious doctrine applied to modern times. you cant get much more religious extremist than that.
so while all progressives denounce religious extremists of the muslim religion, their treatment of women, etc...
the right-wingers, most of them, can decry it out of one side of their mouth, but support the zionist religious extremist state of israel.
all without batting an eye.
double the standards, twice the virtues.
but most of those same rabid neo-con foreign policy supporters all have a huge raging hard-on for the israelis.
now israel, the zionist state, was based upon ancient religious doctrine. its entire existance was premised on fanatical interpretation of ancient religious doctrine applied to modern times. you cant get much more religious extremist than that.
so while all progressives denounce religious extremists of the muslim religion, their treatment of women, etc...
the right-wingers, most of them, can decry it out of one side of their mouth, but support the zionist religious extremist state of israel.
all without batting an eye.
double the standards, twice the virtues.
Zebo
Elite Member
- Jul 29, 2001
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Cry me a river. They choose war and thats what they are getting. War is hell.
BTW- Where were all these threads and intense diplomatic efforts when Israelis were being terrorized for years with ballbearing laden ordnance shot at their cities? The whole purpose to maim and kill children. The whole world is racist against Israelis from my perspective. Europe always been racists and same with the Arabs both two places where Mein Kampf was best seller at one time or another. Perhaps if you put as much effort into condemning the Arab terrorists there would be no need for war, no broken bodies, no bloody streets?
BTW- Where were all these threads and intense diplomatic efforts when Israelis were being terrorized for years with ballbearing laden ordnance shot at their cities? The whole purpose to maim and kill children. The whole world is racist against Israelis from my perspective. Europe always been racists and same with the Arabs both two places where Mein Kampf was best seller at one time or another. Perhaps if you put as much effort into condemning the Arab terrorists there would be no need for war, no broken bodies, no bloody streets?
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