Israel Bombing Footage Part Deux: View From The Ground

[JS80]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: JS80

There is no such thing as an innocent palestinian, they democratically VOTED IN HAMAS AS THEIR LEADERS!

Bolded for truth

Just as Americans are not innocent either voting for Bush twice.

I don't see American civilians acting as human shield for the military, nor do we keep caches of weapons in our homes or at shopping malls.

As usual dave is fail.

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: JS80

There is no such thing as an innocent palestinian, they democratically VOTED IN HAMAS AS THEIR LEADERS!

Bolded for truth

Just as Americans are not innocent either voting for Bush twice.

No doubt Dave. flip that logic around on js80 and he will be in denial.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: RichardE
Sad that Hamas has to hide weapons and themselves in civilian centers

R.I.P innocents hopefully not many more need to die before this cancer is removed.

Gee maybe if Israel didn't steal all their land they wouldn't be in a population center. How about Israel open up it boards and lets refugees leave the refugee camp to except the bombing.

How about Egypt doing just that and letting refugees escape, instead of shooting on sight?

They must have a good reason.

Why it isn't Egypt creating this mess it is israel.

 

[SamurAchzar]

I don't think there's a matter of innocence here. They chose Hamas as their leaders, and that's completely legitimate in my eyes. It just shows they choose the path of war, and war they are getting.

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: JS80

There is no such thing as an innocent palestinian, they democratically VOTED IN HAMAS AS THEIR LEADERS!

Bolded for truth

Just as Americans are not innocent either voting for Bush twice.

I don't see American civilians acting as human shield for the military, nor do we keep caches of weapons in our homes or at shopping malls.

As usual dave is fail.

But your original statement had nothing to do with either of those. Strawman! You talked about voting. Now you change it. ok whatever. Dinosaur. dodo bird. republican.

 

[SamurAchzar]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: RichardE
Sad that Hamas has to hide weapons and themselves in civilian centers

R.I.P innocents hopefully not many more need to die before this cancer is removed.

Gee maybe if Israel didn't steal all their land they wouldn't be in a population center. How about Israel open up it boards and lets refugees leave the refugee camp to except the bombing.

How about Egypt doing just that and letting refugees escape, instead of shooting on sight?

They must have a good reason.

Why it isn't Egypt creating this mess it is israel.

So what? Show some solidarity to your Muslim brothers. Open up the border and let them in.
Maybe they know something that Americans around here don't?

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: RichardE
Sad that Hamas has to hide weapons and themselves in civilian centers

R.I.P innocents hopefully not many more need to die before this cancer is removed.

Gee maybe if Israel didn't steal all their land they wouldn't be in a population center. How about Israel open up it boards and lets refugees leave the refugee camp to except the bombing.

How about Egypt doing just that and letting refugees escape, instead of shooting on sight?

They must have a good reason.

Why it isn't Egypt creating this mess it is israel.

So what? Show some solidarity to your Muslim brothers. Open up the border and let them in.
Maybe they know something that Americans around here don't?

Right, but who cares about egypt what about israel if they really didn't wish to kill woman and children why not let them leave. Answer they are racists.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: JS80

There is no such thing as an innocent palestinian, they democratically VOTED IN HAMAS AS THEIR LEADERS!

Bolded for truth

Just as Americans are not innocent either voting for Bush twice.

I don't see American civilians acting as human shield for the military, nor do we keep caches of weapons in our homes or at shopping malls.

As usual dave is fail.

But your original statement had nothing to do with either of those. Strawman! You talked about voting. Now you change it. ok whatever. Dinosaur. dodo bird. republican.

You are a blind idiot. Hamas fires rockets randomly at civilians. The US does not. You don't even understand how to pull the strawman card.

 

[ZzZGuy]

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

Originally posted by: ZzZGuy
I'm starting to like the idea of a "peace keeping" force, but screw the UN, they are beyond useless unless both sides play nice.

Just need to find someone(s) who the terrorist won't be trigger happy with, Israel will respect (both diplomatically and militarily) and has the balls to blow up any rocket launchers or weapon caches they find in gaza and shoot down any Israeli planes or repel any incursion into gaza.

I vote Russia with international backing (so they will do it and can do it well), in the past they have been on the side of Arabs and they have been playing nice with Israel lately as shown by their plan to buy UAV's from Israel (as is Canada on a totally unrelated note). When it comes to Iran, it is more business to them then trying to tweak the USA's nose (also makes me wonder why the USA won't put the missile shield in Israel, Iran won't even have a reason anymore to build nukes).

Yes, the Russians will handle this well. Are you kidding? It will turn into a complete war zone.
Why won't Hamas drive them away with suicide bombers?
How will it be different from the US occupation of Iraq?
How effective has this model been, taking Hizbullah as an example? They kept arming themselves under supervision.

The last thing Hamas wants is separation and relaxation. They want to fight over Israel, and having Russia's finest in the middle won't get them any closer to that.

Got a better idea?

First, gaza is not Iraq. It will be different then the occupation of Iraq because they do not need to try and keep them from killing each other -edit- IN gaza -edit. There is also the PA over in the west bank that is ready to step in and provide a functional government with security for the people and such. The only thing close to the Iraq occupation that Russia would need to do is searches for weapon caches, tunnels and rockets, they could even have PA police in tow to arrest suspects provided they don't let them go when the Russians aren't looking.

I'm not even going to bother explaining Chechnya vs gaza, apples and oranges.

I can't back up any claims that the terrorists will not try to suicide bomb the Russians, just that there is no grudge and probably some good will towards them. Sure there are a lot of other nations they would be better based just on that, but I can't think of any that will be effective at what they are there to do.

During past occupations by Israel they learned how to conduct these searches without taking massive losses, Russia would first need to learn all they can from Israel.

As for Hezbollah, that is UN peace keepers standing around with their thumb up their a$$. Gaza is also much easier to control, the only borders is Israel, Egypt and the sea. Egypt is working with Israel believe it or not, Russia could take over the sea rout but that is more minor, and I laugh at anyone thinking there are arms flowing from Israel into gaza. If the Egypt border can be policed properly, the rockets and various arms will dry up.

 

[JS80]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: RichardE
Sad that Hamas has to hide weapons and themselves in civilian centers

R.I.P innocents hopefully not many more need to die before this cancer is removed.

Gee maybe if Israel didn't steal all their land they wouldn't be in a population center. How about Israel open up it boards and lets refugees leave the refugee camp to except the bombing.

lol Israel stole land? They bought empty desert lots and turned it fertile.

Shit, in modern day the palestinians stole gaza land from the Israelis by forcing the Israeli government to kick its own citizens out.

 

[RichardE]

Edited out stupid remark

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: RichardE
Sad that Hamas has to hide weapons and themselves in civilian centers

R.I.P innocents hopefully not many more need to die before this cancer is removed.

Gee maybe if Israel didn't steal all their land they wouldn't be in a population center. How about Israel open up it boards and lets refugees leave the refugee camp to except the bombing.

How about Egypt doing just that and letting refugees escape, instead of shooting on sight?

They must have a good reason.

Why it isn't Egypt creating this mess it is israel.

Don't you have some woman and children to tie and gag and throw infront of rockets to help the Palestinian cause sympathizer?

And don't you have some little Arab babies to practice genocide on.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: JSt0rm01

Originally posted by: RichardE
Sad that Hamas has to hide weapons and themselves in civilian centers

R.I.P innocents hopefully not many more need to die before this cancer is removed.

atleast that. i was beginning to wonder as to your mental state. I'm glad you see that not all of these people are your enemy.

Of course not, as I have said in PM's to people, from my time spent in Israel I made a number of Palestinian friends, of which I worry about in this current conflict. Even so, this is a war that needs to be fought and as with all wars innocents will die. The only hope is that to come out of this war will be a Palestinian people with less extremists among them (since they were killed) with a broken will of rebellion who can join in a two state solution and improve there quality of life.

I understand why the Palestinian people fight, I understand the poverty and hopelessness they face, I do not accept it as an excuse to kill innocents or turn a blind eye to the continuing war that is being waged against Israel. It is a tragedy that innocents will die, from Israel mistake or from Hamas human shields, but hopefully at the end of the day the quality of life for a the million of palestinian people can be brought up to par with Israel once Israel is safe.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: JS80
There is no such thing as an innocent palestinian, they democratically VOTED IN HAMAS AS THEIR LEADERS!

There is no such thing as an innocent Israeli; mandatory military service means they are all valid targets.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: RichardE
Sad that Hamas has to hide weapons and themselves in civilian centers

R.I.P innocents hopefully not many more need to die before this cancer is removed.

Gee maybe if Israel didn't steal all their land they wouldn't be in a population center. How about Israel open up it boards and lets refugees leave the refugee camp to except the bombing.

How about Egypt doing just that and letting refugees escape, instead of shooting on sight?

They must have a good reason.

Why it isn't Egypt creating this mess it is israel.

Don't you have some woman and children to tie and gag and throw infront of rockets to help the Palestinian cause sympathizer?

And don't you have some little Arab babies to practice genocide on.

I love how you support a people who voluntarily put there weakest members in harms way, all the while parroting keywords you read here and there without the slightest meaning to them at all. I remember your ignorance on this history of the reigon, and now you show your ignorance on the people. Why don't you go back to your video games and stop embarrassing yourself :beer:

 

[ZzZGuy]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: RichardE
Sad that Hamas has to hide weapons and themselves in civilian centers

R.I.P innocents hopefully not many more need to die before this cancer is removed.

Gee maybe if Israel didn't steal all their land they wouldn't be in a population center. How about Israel open up it boards and lets refugees leave the refugee camp to except the bombing.

How about Egypt doing just that and letting refugees escape, instead of shooting on sight?

They must have a good reason.

Why it isn't Egypt creating this mess it is israel.

Don't you have some woman and children to tie and gag and throw infront of rockets to help the Palestinian cause sympathizer?

And don't you have some little Arab babies to practice genocide on.

This is getting silly.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: RichardE
Sad that Hamas has to hide weapons and themselves in civilian centers

R.I.P innocents hopefully not many more need to die before this cancer is removed.

Gee maybe if Israel didn't steal all their land they wouldn't be in a population center. How about Israel open up it boards and lets refugees leave the refugee camp to except the bombing.

How about Egypt doing just that and letting refugees escape, instead of shooting on sight?

They must have a good reason.

Why it isn't Egypt creating this mess it is israel.

Don't you have some woman and children to tie and gag and throw infront of rockets to help the Palestinian cause sympathizer?

And don't you have some little Arab babies to practice genocide on.

I love how you support a people who voluntarily put there weakest members in harms way, all the while parroting keywords you read here and there without the slightest meaning to them at all. I remember your ignorance on this history of the reigon, and now you show your ignorance on the people. Why don't you go back to your video games and stop embarrassing yourself :beer:

And I love how you support a country that forces millions of people to live in complete poverty and if they get uppity bombs the crap out of them.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: ZzZGuy

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: RichardE
Sad that Hamas has to hide weapons and themselves in civilian centers

R.I.P innocents hopefully not many more need to die before this cancer is removed.

Gee maybe if Israel didn't steal all their land they wouldn't be in a population center. How about Israel open up it boards and lets refugees leave the refugee camp to except the bombing.

How about Egypt doing just that and letting refugees escape, instead of shooting on sight?

They must have a good reason.

Why it isn't Egypt creating this mess it is israel.

Don't you have some woman and children to tie and gag and throw infront of rockets to help the Palestinian cause sympathizer?

And don't you have some little Arab babies to practice genocide on.

This is getting silly.

Yeah it is, I'll edit my post.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: RichardE
Sad that Hamas has to hide weapons and themselves in civilian centers

R.I.P innocents hopefully not many more need to die before this cancer is removed.

Gee maybe if Israel didn't steal all their land they wouldn't be in a population center. How about Israel open up it boards and lets refugees leave the refugee camp to except the bombing.

How about Egypt doing just that and letting refugees escape, instead of shooting on sight?

They must have a good reason.

Why it isn't Egypt creating this mess it is israel.

Don't you have some woman and children to tie and gag and throw infront of rockets to help the Palestinian cause sympathizer?

And don't you have some little Arab babies to practice genocide on.

I love how you support a people who voluntarily put there weakest members in harms way, all the while parroting keywords you read here and there without the slightest meaning to them at all. I remember your ignorance on this history of the reigon, and now you show your ignorance on the people. Why don't you go back to your video games and stop embarrassing yourself :beer:

And I love how you support a country that forces millions of people to live in complete poverty and if they get uppity bombs the crap out of them.

They made there own bed they get to lie in.

You consider killing civilians with bombs "getting uppity"? I consider that a war act from a democratically elected government.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: RichardE
Sad that Hamas has to hide weapons and themselves in civilian centers

R.I.P innocents hopefully not many more need to die before this cancer is removed.

Gee maybe if Israel didn't steal all their land they wouldn't be in a population center. How about Israel open up it boards and lets refugees leave the refugee camp to except the bombing.

How about Egypt doing just that and letting refugees escape, instead of shooting on sight?

They must have a good reason.

Why it isn't Egypt creating this mess it is israel.

Don't you have some woman and children to tie and gag and throw infront of rockets to help the Palestinian cause sympathizer?

And don't you have some little Arab babies to practice genocide on.

I love how you support a people who voluntarily put there weakest members in harms way, all the while parroting keywords you read here and there without the slightest meaning to them at all. I remember your ignorance on this history of the reigon, and now you show your ignorance on the people. Why don't you go back to your video games and stop embarrassing yourself :beer:

And I love how you support a country that forces millions of people to live in complete poverty and if they get uppity bombs the crap out of them.

They made there own bed they get to lie in.

You consider killing civilians with bombs "getting uppity"? I consider that a war act from a democratically elected government.

So isn't a navel blockade.

The people living in Gaza have lived the their whole life under Israel occupation. How exactly did they make their bed.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: SamurAchzar

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: RichardE
Sad that Hamas has to hide weapons and themselves in civilian centers

R.I.P innocents hopefully not many more need to die before this cancer is removed.

Gee maybe if Israel didn't steal all their land they wouldn't be in a population center. How about Israel open up it boards and lets refugees leave the refugee camp to except the bombing.

How about Egypt doing just that and letting refugees escape, instead of shooting on sight?

They must have a good reason.

Why it isn't Egypt creating this mess it is israel.

Don't you have some woman and children to tie and gag and throw infront of rockets to help the Palestinian cause sympathizer?

And don't you have some little Arab babies to practice genocide on.

I love how you support a people who voluntarily put there weakest members in harms way, all the while parroting keywords you read here and there without the slightest meaning to them at all. I remember your ignorance on this history of the reigon, and now you show your ignorance on the people. Why don't you go back to your video games and stop embarrassing yourself :beer:

And I love how you support a country that forces millions of people to live in complete poverty and if they get uppity bombs the crap out of them.

They made there own bed they get to lie in.

You consider killing civilians with bombs "getting uppity"? I consider that a war act from a democratically elected government.

So isn't a navel blockade.

That was in response to rocket attacks that broke the truce. Rockets attacks from a democratically elected government that break a truce is a war act, the naval blockcade was a non-violent measure aimed at stopping the attacks. The attacks didn't stop so this escalated.

It all comes down to Hamas launching rockets at Israel which is a war act.

 

[Kadarin]

The Palestinian people voted for Hamas to lead them. No sympathy from me, sorry.

 

[BarneyFife]

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: JS80

There is no such thing as an innocent palestinian, they democratically VOTED IN HAMAS AS THEIR LEADERS!

Bolded for truth

Just as Americans are not innocent either voting for Bush twice.

I don't see American civilians acting as human shield for the military, nor do we keep caches of weapons in our homes or at shopping malls.

As usual dave is fail.

As usual, you're a hypocrite. Dave just nailed you.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: smack Down

So isn't a navel blockade.

That was in response to rocket attacks that broke the truce. Rockets attacks from a democratically elected government that break a truce is a war act, the naval blockcade was a non-violent measure aimed at stopping the attacks.

This started long before Hamas even existed, Israel has kept strict control over Gaza's watters and airspace since the end of the 1967 war.

 

[Craig234]

Response deleted as it was based on not recognizing the apparent sarcasm of Noshangrila.

He was being sarcastic, right?