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Israel attempts to steal more Palestinian land

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Siwy

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?Haaretz says the US is concerned a 1950 absentee owners law could be used to take land from Palestinians cut off by Israel's separation barrier.?

"Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's government decided to implement the controversial Absentee Property Law in east Jerusalem last July."

?Hundreds of Palestinian families risk being considered absentee owners as the barrier Israel is building between the West Bank and the Jerusalem municipality currently cuts them off from their land.?

BBC: Israel 'rethinks' land seizures

Zionist zealots on these forums argued that the wall is being built through Palestinian land for security reasons and not as a land-grab. I wonder what do they have to say now?
 
Originally posted by: ciba
Originally posted by: Siwy
BBC: Israel 'rethinks' land seizures

Zionist zealots on these forums argued that the wall is being built through Palestinian land for security reasons and not as a land-grab. I wonder what do they have to say now?
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I think the title of your link explains the answer, troll.
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Try to understand the question before spewing out worthless garbage.

The article states that the intent to steal the land was there all along, while at the same time they said that the wall is being built solely for security reasons.
 
Was the barrier put up for protection or land grab?

Israel had control of the land anyhow, the barrier was not to legitimtize the land control.

The positioning of the barrier was initialy designed to protect the Israeli settlements on the West Bank (right or wrong why there were there).

The settlements were put up to try and protect Israel from the Palestian/terrorist attacks acting as an early warning system.

The initial law was put into effect as punishment for those that tried to destroy Israel and left when their attempt failed. Forfeiture.

Remember that the land would not need to be "stolen" if Israel did not feel that they were safe around their neighbors.

Those that are siding with the losing side should not expect to be rewarded for failure.

 
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Was the barrier put up for protection or land grab?

Israel had control of the land anyhow, the barrier was not to legitimtize the land control.

The positioning of the barrier was initialy designed to protect the Israeli settlements on the West Bank (right or wrong why there were there).

The settlements were put up to try and protect Israel from the Palestian/terrorist attacks acting as an early warning system.

The initial law was put into effect as punishment for those that tried to destroy Israel and left when their attempt failed. Forfeiture.

Remember that the land would not need to be "stolen" if Israel did not feel that they were safe around their neighbors.

Those that are siding with the losing side should not expect to be rewarded for failure.
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I can understand building military outposts as a security measure but how do you explain moving 400,000+ civilians into a hostile country in order to protect them? That doesn't make sense from a security perspective and it is against international law.

There was no reason why Israel couldn't build the security wall along the '67 borders and protect Israelis from suicide bombers, I would personally support that. When you have a prime minister who says "Everyone there should move, should run, should grab more hills, expand the territory. Everything that's grabbed, will be in our hands. Everything we don't grab will be in their hands." it's hard to believe that the land is being stolen for security reasons.
 
Being caught in a catch-22 means that you can't win, largely because of the circular nature of the opponent's argument and relative strength of the adversaries.

Eaglekeeper's explanation is just another example of it, mostly based on false premises. In 1949, many palestinians fled after some rather gruesome massacres by the Irgun and the Stern Gang convinced them that it was the wisest course of action, not that they necessarily sided with the govts at war with the new self declared state of Israel. When the war ended, Israel was a lot larger, and they were never allowed to return by the winning Israelis. Their property was confiscated under the absentee landlord statute...

This latest move is just the same story, different verse. They're now absentee landlords because the Israelis won't allow them to cross the new wall between their homes and their fields... and it won't end until the palestinians have been squeezed into the mideastern equivalent of Indian Reservations, or expelled-

http://www.btselem.org/English...ries/Land_Grab_Map.asp

Or this-

http://ottawa.cbc.ca/ottawamorning/behindthewall/

Which rather vividly illustrates just how deceptive the claim of settlements as security measures really is- it's an outright lie.



 
That wall is the best thing to come along! Give them back the land they took from the settles and use the wall as a savage blockade.
 
This is just Israel's form of Emminent Domain ... would y'all be pissed off if you were Palestinians ... you have American Blinders on if you say no.
 
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Being caught in a catch-22 means that you can't win, largely because of the circular nature of the opponent's argument and relative strength of the adversaries.

Eaglekeeper's explanation is just another example of it, mostly based on false premises. In 1949, many palestinians fled after some rather gruesome massacres by the Irgun and the Stern Gang convinced them that it was the wisest course of action, not that they necessarily sided with the govts at war with the new self declared state of Israel. When the war ended, Israel was a lot larger, and they were never allowed to return by the winning Israelis. Their property was confiscated under the absentee landlord statute...

This latest move is just the same story, different verse. They're now absentee landlords because the Israelis won't allow them to cross the new wall between their homes and their fields... and it won't end until the palestinians have been squeezed into the mideastern equivalent of Indian Reservations, or expelled-

http://www.btselem.org/English...ries/Land_Grab_Map.asp

Or this-

http://ottawa.cbc.ca/ottawamorning/behindthewall/

Which rather vividly illustrates just how deceptive the claim of settlements as security measures really is- it's an outright lie.
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I've read the book and watched the movie ~ I just wasn't sure if it was in reply to EagleKeeper's post or mine.

I'm curious what the outcome of their "rethinking" is, they were supposed to decide if to steal or not by today.

Thanks for the links...
 
Nobody is going to stop Israel. They can do whatever they want. If they want to takeover Palestinian land fine. Call the entire territory Palestine/Israel and give everyone an EQUAL right to vote.
 
Originally posted by: raildogg
Some of you ignoramus's need to read the news. Israel is pulling out of Palestinian areas!

learn something
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We are talking here about settlements and permanent land grabs ~ the link you provided talks about IDF pulling out of controlled areas. Two different things.

Every time you post, you insult your own intelligence, please stop...
 
Originally posted by: Siwy
Originally posted by: raildogg
Some of you ignoramus's need to read the news. Israel is pulling out of Palestinian areas!

learn something
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We are talking here about settlements and permanent land grabs ~ the link you provided talks about IDF pulling out of controlled areas. Two different things.

Every time you post, you insult your own intelligence, please stop...
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There is no truth about Israel grabbing land. By the way, there was never any Palestinian land to begin with as there was no nation. So your assertion that Israel is grabbing land is both a lie and totally false.

Before you do any more Israeli bashing learn some facts
 
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Siwy
Originally posted by: raildogg
Some of you ignoramus's need to read the news. Israel is pulling out of Palestinian areas!

learn something
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We are talking here about settlements and permanent land grabs ~ the link you provided talks about IDF pulling out of controlled areas. Two different things.

Every time you post, you insult your own intelligence, please stop...
Click to expand...

There is no truth about Israel grabbing land. By the way, there was never any Palestinian land to begin with as there was no nation. So your assertion that Israel is grabbing land is both a lie and totally false.

Before you do any more Israeli bashing learn some facts
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God man, please shut up already?you?re all over the place with your posts. You post something that?s false or not even relevant to the discussion, and then when someone points it out to you, you go on posting more drivel without even addressing the post you?re replying to.

It?s like talking to a deranged person.

 
Originally posted by: Siwy
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: Siwy
Originally posted by: raildogg
Some of you ignoramus's need to read the news. Israel is pulling out of Palestinian areas!

learn something
Click to expand...

We are talking here about settlements and permanent land grabs ~ the link you provided talks about IDF pulling out of controlled areas. Two different things.

Every time you post, you insult your own intelligence, please stop...
Click to expand...

There is no truth about Israel grabbing land. By the way, there was never any Palestinian land to begin with as there was no nation. So your assertion that Israel is grabbing land is both a lie and totally false.

Before you do any more Israeli bashing learn some facts
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God man, please shut up already?you?re all over the place with your posts. You post something that?s false or not even relevant to the discussion, and then when someone points it out to you, you go on posting more drivel without even addressing the post you?re replying to.

It?s like talking to a deranged person.
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you are one to talk:roll:
 
its irrelevant as the lives saved by the wall trump land ownership by those who would attack civilians. it exists because of their inability to reject violence.
 
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
its irrelevant as the lives saved by the wall trump land ownership by those who would attack civilians. it exists because of their inability to reject violence.
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That's ridiculous - why wasn't the wall built along 1967 borders? It would accomplish the same thing from a security perspective.

I only see two possibilities - one is a land grab, and the other is calculated aggression designed to ensure that there is NEVER peace in the middle east, unless it comes entirely on Israel's terms.
 
the rules of war. when you lose and are occupied you lose the ability to draw your borders. you lose the ability to make demands. it is why germany lost a chunk of land given to poland at the end of ww2. armistice means cessation of hostilities so that a peace treaty can be worked out. but the palestinians never gave that a chance since the idea of sharing the land was abhorent to them from the start. it was death to israel or nothing, and so yes, in a way they caused their own suffering. no way around it. when land is required for a wall to protect against decades of terrorism, well the lives saved trumps the rights of land owners.
 
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