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Israel as a Binational State

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This is an interesting editorial about a subject that has been basically forbidden to even discuss among Israelis and Palestinians. The population on each side has always seen the option of a binational state as a surrendering of the principle of a Jewish state, and the Principle of a soveriegn Palestinian state. I don't know personally. It does seem increasingly unlikely that with current settlement activty, the impossibility of a truly secure border, the geography of the region, economic interdependance, resource interdependance, etc. etc. that some thought may have to be given to this option.

From Haaretz

The binational option

By Meron Benvenisti




A growing number of articles and analyses by Palestinians and their supporters are warning that the "two states for two peoples" option is fading, and the goal of a Palestinian state should be exchanged for the establishment of a binational state. At the same time, polls among Israeli Jews show there is a majority, albeit slim, in favor of a Palestinian state.

Palestinian Authority representatives recently presented a document suggesting the surge of settlement and infrastructure development in the West Bank has eliminated the possibility of establishing a viable state in the shrunken, diced-up territories, so they have to reconsider the two-states option. Prime Minister Ariel Sharon meanwhile declares he is sticking to President Bush's "vision of a Palestinian state" - obviously under conditions dictated by Israel. When a Palestinian representative thinks out loud about a change of policy - from a demand for national independence to a struggle for civil rights in a binational state - an Israeli diplomat responds furiously, "That's more proof of Palestinian unwillingness to reach peace, because a binational state obviously means the destruction of the state of Israel."

Ostensibly, there's not much new in a renewed discussion of the binational option, other than the fact that in the mainstream of the Palestinian national movement it was perceived in the past as "betrayal of the struggle for self-determination and replacing it with an internal Israeli issue concerning an ethnic minority that must struggle for its civil rights." Now, representatives of the PA - which has but one purpose, to prepare the groundwork for an independent state - are daring to discuss a plan that would mean full Israeli annexation of the occupied territories.

There's also nothing new in the outrage of Israelis about raising the idea of a "binational" state, since it has always been perceived as the eradication of the Jewish-Zionist state. The response to the de facto binational reality created after 1967, has been the definition of the Israeli occupation as temporary, which does not require "long-term conclusions" but rather "ideological" disputes between left and right: "two states versus autonomy." The Oslo framework, which ostensibly was aimed at creating the conditions for separation and establishment of a Palestinian state, was nothing more than a binational regime, in which there was defined division of authority and responsibility between the dominant Israeli element and the PA. The latter was controlled indirectly while Israel was allowed to continue its integration of the territories, turning the entire Mandatory Palestine into a indivisible geopolitical entity.

The collapse of the Oslo regime, destruction of the PA, the reoccupation of the West Bank, rapid pace of settlement expansion and road building, made clear to the Palestinians that their ambitions for national sovereignty in besieged cantons only played into the hands of the Israelis, making it preferable to bring up the idea of the binational alternative if only for the sake of the national struggle. After all, there is nothing that would embarrass the Israelis more than the demand to annex the territories and grant civil equality. Israel did not manage to deal with the "1948 Arabs," its citizens, so how will it deal with millions of "1967 Arabs?" It's possible that those who initiated the "searing of the consciousness," using brute force to make the Palestinians "surrender and uproot their national aspirations from their hearts" have succeeded beyond their wildest expectations and the Palestinians indeed are ready to "privatize" their demands for freedom and redefine them as demands for civil rights. Now the slogan "Palestinian state" will become Israeli, since the alternative is a political entity with a non-Jewish majority, meaning a loss of identity for the Jewish state and the perpetuation of an apartheid regime.

There are, of course, three ways to sidestep the dilemma - or to "solve" it - but all three are dangerous illusions. The first is transfer, which is impossible to implement; even debating it and its dangers is an escape from reality. The second, "the Lebanese solution," means not counting the Palestinians and disconnecting demography from democracy, meaning a democracy of a nation of masters, going the way of the whites in South Africa. The third is separation, that magical solution that has no chance of success as long as hundreds of thousands of settlers are living amidst the Palestinian population.

There is a fourth solution - withdrawal to the 1967 borders and evacuation of all the settlements. But that is perceived as a grave danger because the Palestinians insist on "the right of return." So what is done when the ruthless reality undermines the ideological positions, and the popular answers are impossible to implement? Starting to think about what appears to be heretical and fantastic, such as, perhaps a binational solution would create less friction than separation and partition? And perhaps an open debate about binational arrangements, even if it's only theoretical, will do more for reconciliation than sticking to ethno-nationalist separation.


 
they'll never agree to a binational state because the palestinians outnumber the israeli's about 3-1. If they held one democratic election where people of both races/faiths could vote, there wouldn't be any Jews in power in Israel.
 
Originally posted by: Shiva112
they'll never agree to a binational state because the palestinians outnumber the israeli's about 3-1. If they held one democratic election where people of both races/faiths could vote, there wouldn't be any Jews in power in Israel.

Good point. And how long before a fundamentalist Islamic party comes to power and establishes a fully Islamic state?
 
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: Shiva112
they'll never agree to a binational state because the palestinians outnumber the israeli's about 3-1. If they held one democratic election where people of both races/faiths could vote, there wouldn't be any Jews in power in Israel.

Good point. And how long before a fundamentalist Islamic party comes to power and establishes a fully Islamic state?

I imagine then the israelis would break off and declare their own state again, and the roles would be reversed, with the palestinians in power and the israelis forming the ILO :Q
 
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: Shiva112
they'll never agree to a binational state because the palestinians outnumber the israeli's about 3-1. If they held one democratic election where people of both races/faiths could vote, there wouldn't be any Jews in power in Israel.

Good point. And how long before a fundamentalist Islamic party comes to power and establishes a fully Islamic state?

oh, imagine that. Democracy and self-determination. Free elections where every vote counts equally, and every adult person living within the state had a vote. Yeah, that would suck all right.
 
Originally posted by: bizmark
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: Shiva112
they'll never agree to a binational state because the palestinians outnumber the israeli's about 3-1. If they held one democratic election where people of both races/faiths could vote, there wouldn't be any Jews in power in Israel.

Good point. And how long before a fundamentalist Islamic party comes to power and establishes a fully Islamic state?

oh, imagine that. Democracy and self-determination. Free elections where every vote counts equally, and every adult person living within the state had a vote. Yeah, that would suck all right.

That's what you're apparently not understanding. Once the Islamic state is established, the rights of the non-Islamic minority go right out the window, and the state proceeds according to Islamic law. The problem with true democracy is that the majority can trample all over the minority (and with Islam, you can take that literally).
 
Ridiculous idea. The list of problems is too long to go into, and it will create many more problems than it solves. Completely unrealistic.
As unlikely as it seems right now, i think two states is the way to go.
 
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: bizmark
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: Shiva112
they'll never agree to a binational state because the palestinians outnumber the israeli's about 3-1. If they held one democratic election where people of both races/faiths could vote, there wouldn't be any Jews in power in Israel.

Good point. And how long before a fundamentalist Islamic party comes to power and establishes a fully Islamic state?

oh, imagine that. Democracy and self-determination. Free elections where every vote counts equally, and every adult person living within the state had a vote. Yeah, that would suck all right.

That's what you're apparently not understanding. Once the Islamic state is established, the rights of the non-Islamic minority go right out the window, and the state proceeds according to Islamic law. The problem with true democracy is that the majority can trample all over the minority (and with Islam, you can take that literally).

I agree, I think I was just in a pissy mood last night. But still I think that with a well-written constitution you could avoid that sort of thing.
 
It would all depend on how the constitution were written. Some sort of power sharing agreement would have to be worked out as the Jewish population would most likely become a minority in a very short period of time. There would also have to be a serious reckoning for the actions of the Palestinians and the Israelis, something along the lines of the South African truth and reconciliation commission which worked out better than anyone could have hoped or predicted. Perhaps a gauranteed place for a Jew as President and an Arab as Prime minister, witch would rotate. Something like they have in Lebanon or Bosnia. Again, this is very complicated and I am not advocating anything, it is just an idea that has been taboo for a very long time that may warrant new consideration however unlikely.

I do think that that the concept of an ethno-centric or religion centered state is archaic and unworkable in the modern world which is what a pure Palestinian or pure Jewish state would be.
 
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