Israel arrogance annonces more building in East Jerusalem

[Hayabusa Rider]

The UN has inherent power over ALL soverign nations, that is part of being a member of the UN.

It doesn't always work that way though, it did, originally and the UN did tremendous work in Africa.

Today, it is doing great work in three parts of the world and it CAN be a use of much force or much help.

Problem is abandonment, the US is playing the "OMG we are king of the world" game and as such, they get a bit pissy when everyone doesn't jump when the US says "jump" like with Iraq, make no mistake, that is why you dislike the UN, even if you don't know that is the reason, it was beaten into your skull by every news you ever read for one year so know you have learned it to be true.

The truth is, Colin knew that he was spewing BS, he sweated and that is why he resigned later, he knew that he was spewing falsehoods in front of the UN.

The US and the UK were lying, everyone knew that, some went along because they got mortages that need not be repayed (Poland) some because they needed UK vote in the EU (Spain) but no one but the US population and congress bought it, hell 85% of the UK population didn't buy it at the time....

So back to the original story, the UN can do whatever the nations within it pleases.

A couple things, in the US the Constitution is not subordinate to the UN. Another (for those who don't know) is that there are 5 nations which have veto power, and the US is one. If the US really doesn't want it, it doesn't happen. I agree with your perspective of how "evidence" was presented. It was pretty much BS.

What I don't understand is that apparently Lemon Law is completely clueless about the power that the UN has. When it was constructed it was important to the member nations that it be a diplomatic body and not a military one. Precisely what military would they send to remove the Israelis? A sternly worded letter?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

A couple things, in the US the Constitution is not subordinate to the UN. Another (for those who don't know) is that there are 5 nations which have veto power, and the US is one. If the US really doesn't want it, it doesn't happen. I agree with your perspective of how "evidence" was presented. It was pretty much BS.

What I don't understand is that apparently Lemon Law is completely clueless about the power that the UN has. When it was constructed it was important to the member nations that it be a diplomatic body and not a military one. Precisely what military would they send to remove the Israelis? A sternly worded letter?

No nation is subordinate to the UN, but all nations WILL have to adjust to the rulings of the UN, including the US, you might not know this but the US signed this treaty and that gives the UN rights regardless of what US law says on the matter, this goes for ALL nations.

Rest of it, we agree as far as to the military command units, the UN does and always will command units all over the world, it's part of peace keeping, you know that too so... i'm just going to go to sleep now, long day tomorrow, take care.

 

[bfdd]

No nation is subordinate to the UN, but all nations WILL have to adjust to the rulings of the UN, including the US, you might not know this but the US signed this treaty and that gives the UN rights regardless of what US law says on the matter, this goes for ALL nations.

Rest of it, we agree as far as to the military command units, the UN does and always will command units all over the world, it's part of peace keeping, you know that too so... i'm just going to go to sleep now, long day tomorrow, take care.

No they don't JoS. The UN cannot make France, the UK, China, Russia or the USA do jack fucking shit. Any one of these nations at any moment could say "fuck you" and there's nothing the UN could do about it unless they're down for starting WW3.

PS I just don't like the concept of the UN and I don't think any nation that wishes to remain sovereign should have anything to do with an entity like the UN.

edit- didn't realize you said you were going to sleep, take care

 

[MotF Bane]

No nation is subordinate to the UN, but all nations WILL have to adjust to the rulings of the UN, including the US, you might not know this but the US signed this treaty and that gives the UN rights regardless of what US law says on the matter, this goes for ALL nations.

Rest of it, we agree as far as to the military command units, the UN does and always will command units all over the world, it's part of peace keeping, you know that too so... i'm just going to go to sleep now, long day tomorrow, take care.

/facepalm

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

/facepalm

Well I can agree with the last part of what he says. The UN does have peacekeeping forces, however there's a difference between that and making a war. Opposing Israel on the battlefield? If the US allowed it (and it won't) they wouldn't stand a chance. It's not like NATO is going to be involved either.

There simply isn't a way to make Israel jump through a hoop.

 

[Lemon law]

Now I can totally agree with what JOS said in, "No nation is subordinate to the UN, but all nations WILL have to adjust to the rulings of the UN, including the US, you might not know this but the US signed this treaty and that gives the UN rights regardless of what US law says on the matter, this goes for ALL nations."

But now that Netanyuhu has cast down the gauntlet, will the larger world side with 6 million horse power of Israel or the the 4 Billion plus horse power of the larger world? And looking at the divisions within Israel, Netanyuhu horse power may not even equal a 3 Million majority among only Israeli Jews.

But still, Netanyuhu has cast down the final gauntlet, and there may be no going back for Netanyuhu.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Now I can totally agree with what JOS said in, "No nation is subordinate to the UN, but all nations WILL have to adjust to the rulings of the UN, including the US, you might not know this but the US signed this treaty and that gives the UN rights regardless of what US law says on the matter, this goes for ALL nations."

When has it ever been ruled by the SCOTUS that UN mandates are superior to the Constitution? If there is a conflict between the two the latter wins. I can understand him misunderstanding us, but an American?

 

[bfdd]

When has it ever been ruled by the SCOTUS that UN mandates are superior to the Constitution? If there is a conflict between the two the latter wins. I can understand him misunderstanding us, but an American?

Seriously wtf? LL wonders why we scoff at him.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

When has it ever been ruled by the SCOTUS that UN mandates are superior to the Constitution? If there is a conflict between the two the latter wins. I can understand him misunderstanding us, but an American?

I may be incorrect here, but I thought Congress had to approve any sort of UN mandate before it could apply to the US?

 

[bfdd]

I may be incorrect here, but I thought Congress had to approve any sort of UN mandate before it could apply to the US?

Well if Congress got a say in it, then so does the President and SCOTUS. The whole separation of powers thing and all.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I may be incorrect here, but I thought Congress had to approve any sort of UN mandate before it could apply to the US?

My understanding is that it would effectively be a treaty so yes they would need to approve. That doesn't bind us to anything which would violate the Constitution though.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

My understanding is that it would effectively be a treaty so yes they would need to approve. That doesn't bind us to anything which would violate the Constitution though.

Correct. We can (and should, and will) tell the UN to take a hike when needed. Which is often.

 

[Lemon law]

Hayabusa says, "When has it ever been ruled by the SCOTUS that UN mandates are superior to the Constitution? If there is a conflict between the two the latter wins. I can understand him misunderstanding us, but an American? "

You may be in a how little you understand position here, if Obama, as the sole person for the next two years that determines US foreign policy decides to yank the rug out from Netanyuhu, Obama can do so and there will not be a damn thing anyone can do about it.

Netanyu has made an all or nothing gamble.

Now its time to see if the larger world and Obama dope slap Netanyuhu.or not. As mid-east issue becomes binary, either support Netanyuhu or kiss any peaceful settlement goodbye.

And if Obama does not have the man or mouse guts to dope slap Netanyuhu, we may find the larger world will. Its may be the Obama political chickenshit rides again route of least resistance, let the larger world do it. And when it comes time for Obama to save Israeli butt, he can merely abstain rather than veto any US Israeli save your butt resolutions in the UN.

Once Netanyuhu gets dope slapped, dare I hope that I can support a future more rational Israeli government?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Hayabusa says, "When has it ever been ruled by the SCOTUS that UN mandates are superior to the Constitution? If there is a conflict between the two the latter wins. I can understand him misunderstanding us, but an American? "

You may be in a how little you understand position here, if Obama, as the sole person for the next two years that determines US foreign policy decides to yank the rug out from Netanyuhu, Obama can do so and there will not be a damn thing anyone can do about it.

Netanyu has made an all or nothing gamble.

Now its time to see if the larger world and Obama dope slap Netanyuhu.or not. As mid-east issue becomes binary, either support Netanyuhu or kiss any peaceful settlement goodbye.

And if Obama does not have the man or mouse guts to dope slap Netanyuhu, we may find the larger world will. Its may be the Obama political chickenshit rides again route of least resistance, let the larger world do it. And when it comes time for Obama to save Israeli butt, he can merely abstain rather than veto any US Israeli save your butt resolutions in the UN.

Once Netanyuhu gets dope slapped, dare I hope that I can support a future more rational Israeli government?

First things first. Obama doesn't ratify anything. That is an explicit function of the Senate. Second you have this recurring fantasy about anyone caring enough to threaten Israel. Of course Obama could pull a Bush and send troops into the area, but if you thought Iraq was a nightmare then get ready. The next election cycle will consist of Republicans and also rans. Isn't happening.

 

[Lemon law]

Haybasusa, where are you getting this Obama ratifying anything. We are talking the UN ambassador deciding to or declining to veto anti-Israeli resolutions in the UN. Once the save Israeli butt UN veto is removed, Israeli may face things like world wide economic embargoes or may find the UN declares a Palestinian State.

You act as if the UN would be attacking the USA.

Israel and the USA are two different nations, and no Netanyuhu does not rule the USA.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Haybasusa, where are you getting this Obama ratifying anything. We are talking the UN ambassador deciding to or declining to veto anti-Israeli resolutions in the UN. Once the save Israeli butt UN veto is removed, Israeli may face things like world wide economic embargoes or may find the UN declares a Palestinian State.

You act as if the UN would be attacking the USA.

Israel and the USA are two different nations, and no Netanyuhu does not rule the USA.

You still don't get it. There is as much interest in punishing Israel as there is in the oil industry giving us free gas. Considering that Iran has barely been slapped on the wrist any idea that the US is preventing anything from happening is absurd. Besides Obama has every incentive to prevent any serious action against Israel because it would certainly screw his party. The US as a nation does not see things as you do.

 

[dahunan]

You still don't get it. There is as much interest in punishing Israel as there is in the oil industry giving us free gas. Considering that Iran has barely been slapped on the wrist any idea that the US is preventing anything from happening is absurd. Besides Obama has every incentive to prevent any serious action against Israel because it would certainly screw his party. The US as a nation does not see things as you do.

LMAO.. the US as a nation is a Terrorist Nation if there ever were a more fitting target for that label...

Yet you sit back and champion all the BS and totally ignore or repress your mind from that reality

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

LMAO.. the US as a nation is a Terrorist Nation if there ever were a more fitting target for that label...

Yet you sit back and champion all the BS and totally ignore or repress your mind from that reality

Aren't you late for the Party meeting in NK?

 

[dahunan]

Aren't you late for the Party meeting in NK?

Guess you are in agreement with the trillion dollars we have wasted in Iraq and Afghanistan...

way to go supposed smart person

 

[MotF Bane]

Aren't you late for the Party meeting in NK?

AzN has a brother? :awe:

 

[dahunan]

act as though you don't see...
your mind will always know

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Guess you are in agreement with the trillion dollars we have wasted in Iraq and Afghanistan...

way to go supposed smart person

Do a search and see where I supported Iraq or how Afghanistan is being handled. Keep digging your own grave. It's entertaining.

 

[dahunan]

Do a search and see where I supported Iraq or how Afghanistan is being handled. Keep digging your own grave. It's entertaining.

you are the one attacking the messenger.. I have no grave to dig ...

you might want to lend a shovel to the humanity you dig a grave for by not talking about real issues out of fear?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

you are the one attacking the messenger.. I have no grave to dig ...

you might want to lend a shovel to the humanity you dig a grave for by not talking about real issues out of fear?

So you can't find where I supported Iraq eh?

 

[dahunan]

and that has what to do with Israel being a terrorist nation? the US supporting a terrorist nation and basically being driven by the need to support that terrorist nation?

If a politician criticizes Terrorist Israel they lose votes.. WTF.. yet you keep supporting that .. true?

I understand that life IS survival of the fittest and they are willing to murder anyone who stands in their way.. that sort of puts them up their in the MEIN KAMPF status of their struggle and their willingness to murder people who stand in their way..

yet.. we pissant civilians in the US suck that Israeli cock and let them force our politicians hands to support their every single transgression against humanity and peace

In the US do we destroy the homes and murder the neighbors of a criminal?
They do that to the Palestinians.. and you support it