Israel Admits Iran Has No Nukes

[Anarchist420]

That was WTF I thought!

http://antiwar.com/radio/2011/01/08/ali-gharib-4/

Israel-Firsters really piss me off. They're taking from American tax-payers, giving nothing good in return, and they've always lied to us. Governments have no right to steal (tax) the wealth of the citizenry and give it to some foreign state that will just bite the hand that feeds it. Donations to the State of Israel need to be voluntary, rather than at gunpoint.

Anyone with any common sense knows that Israel could easily wipe out every other nation in its region. They don't need our help and we need to vote in people who care about the liberty of the American citizenry first as well as last, and kick all of the Israel-first pieces of shit out of Congress.

 

[Genx87]

I think we should cease all foregin aid.

 

[Anarchist420]

I agree

 

[Freshgeardude]

wait what?

first of all, israel nor any nation took credit for the stuxnet virus.

secondly, no one took credit for killing the scientists.


i didnt hear the interview, but based on those two blatantly false statements given on the page, im not going to believe some anti war website, nor anything coming out of your mouth anarchist.

 

[Lemon law]

I could be wrong here, but I don't think any credible Israeli spokesman ever said Iran had its first nuke yet.

But for years and years and years dating back to about 2007 or before there has been a united Israeli government conspiracy to sell the bogus idea that not only was Iran only 1 year away from a nuke, but at the first available opportunity Iran would use it against Israel. Therefore it was panic panic panic time. The fact is and remains, few people even semi-conversant with nuclear technology believed the logic of the Israeli position, but many politicians sought to profit from Israeli panic mongering.

But now as IAEA evidence emerges, Iran is three or four years away from self-fueling its first nuclear reactor and far further from even trying to build a bomb.

 

[Freshgeardude]

I could be wrong here, but I don't think any credible Israeli spokesman ever said Iran had its first nuke yet.

But for years and years and years dating back to about 2007 or before there has been a united Israeli government conspiracy to sell the bogus idea that not only was Iran only 1 year away from a nuke, but at the first available opportunity Iran would use it against Israel. Therefore it was panic panic panic time. The fact is and remains, few people even semi-conversant with nuclear technology believed the logic of the Israeli position, but many politicians sought to profit from Israeli panic mongering.

But now as IAEA evidence emerges, Iran is three or four years away from self-fueling its first nuclear reactor and far further from even trying to build a bomb.

i agree. there is panic, but that is because no one knows exactly how much fuel iran has.

there are without a doubt in my mind other enrichment facilities we have yet to discover they have.

they are built to be undetectable.

 

[Vic Vega]

Israeli government conspiracy to sell the bogus idea that not only was Iran only 1 year away from a nuke, but at the first available opportunity Iran would use it against Israel.

In case you didn't know... this guy actually works for the Iranian government, not the Israeli government.

TEHRAN — Iran's conservative new president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, said Wednesdaythat Israel must be "wiped off the map..."

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/26/world/africa/26iht-iran.html

 

[Jaskalas]

In case you didn't know... this guy actually works for the Iranian government, not the Israeli government.

He'll explain away those comments as harmless. Either through harmless meaning or harmless person behind them. That's what friends do when their buddy gets in trouble.

 

[P4man]

In case you didn't know... this guy actually works for the Iranian government, not the Israeli government.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/26/world/africa/26iht-iran.html

Jeezus, people still believe that 5 year old lie?

What he really said : "The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time".

The Imam being the late Khomeini, who was being quoted.

http://www.mohammadmossadegh.com/news/rumor-of-the-century/

Edit: I guess I shouldnt be that surprised. Incredible how brain washed the majority of US public is. More than 70% is convinced Iran already has nukes:
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/02/19/rel4e.pdf

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

How can Israel "admit" that Iran has no nukes?

In any case, nobody really thinks that Iran has a nuke yet. A bit more attention would be called to them. Iran, unlike North Korea, actually has missiles capable of delivering a nuclear warhead, rather than having to just put it on a truck. THAT gets attention. And Israel has been doing their damndest to keep Iran from becoming a nuclear threat.

 

[Lemon law]

In terms of all the constipated ignorance in the world, its dumb to claim, "Iran, unlike North Korea, actually has missiles capable of delivering a nuclear warhead, rather than having to just put it on a truck."

Sadly, North Korea has a pretty good multistage Guided missile program. Its been at least five years since N. Korea sent its first few missiles right over Japan in test flights, there is now some reasons to worry North Korea now has the 3000 miles range to actually target the West Coast of the USA, and the Iranian missile program is still probably inside of a thousand miles in total range.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

In terms of all the constipated ignorance in the world, its dumb to claim, "Iran, unlike North Korea, actually has missiles capable of delivering a nuclear warhead, rather than having to just put it on a truck."

Sadly, North Korea has a pretty good multistage Guided missile program. Its been at least five years since N. Korea sent its first few missiles right over Japan in test flights, there is now some reasons to worry North Korea now has the 3000 miles range to actually target the West Coast of the USA, and the Iranian missile program is still probably inside of a thousand miles in total range.

I don't think you've really done your research on this. There's a big difference between medium-range cruise missiles that can go over Japan and long-range, nuclear-tipped ICBMs that can hit the continental U.S. Launching an ICBM requires similar expertise to creating a space program in terms of the delivery systems needed, and NK is nowhere near that. They can attack their East Asian counterparts with some accuracy, but that's about it.

On the other hand, Iran has money, and the possible connections (Russia) to create such a program.

To call me ignorant without having any decent evidence to back it up is itself ignorant.

Iran is more of a threat in that it can also actually supply its army in the event of a war. NK gets about 50% of its food from the rest of the world, and almost all of that goes to its army. Without international aid, they wouldn't be able to sustain a war effort for long.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Jeezus, people still believe that 5 year old lie?

What he really said : "The Imam said this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time".

The Imam being the late Khomeini, who was being quoted.

http://www.mohammadmossadegh.com/new...f-the-century/

Edit: I guess I shouldnt be that surprised. Incredible how brain washed the majority of US public is. More than 70% is convinced Iran already has nukes:
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/im...2/19/rel4e.pdf

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/26/world/africa/26iht-iran.html?_r=1

TEHRAN — Iran's conservative new president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, said Wednesdaythat Israel must be "wiped off the map" and that attacks by Palestinians would destroy it, the ISNA press agency reported.

Ahmadinejad was speaking to an audience of about 4,000 students at a program called "The World Without Zionism," in preparation for an annual anti-Israel demonstration on the last Friday of the holy month of Ramadan.

hahaha,,,yeah right.....looks like according to this article and other sites that is exactly what he said......doesn`t matter if somebody else later clarifies what he said....he still said it!!

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Wait, who thought Iranians had nukes? Must be the same people who think that vulture is up to no good.

 

[llee]

why are we giving other countries aid? not trying to hate, just an honest question

 

[Jhhnn]

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/26/world/africa/26iht-iran.html?_r=1

TEHRAN — Iran's conservative new president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, said Wednesdaythat Israel must be "wiped off the map" and that attacks by Palestinians would destroy it, the ISNA press agency reported.

Ahmadinejad was speaking to an audience of about 4,000 students at a program called "The World Without Zionism," in preparation for an annual anti-Israel demonstration on the last Friday of the holy month of Ramadan.

hahaha,,,yeah right.....looks like according to this article and other sites that is exactly what he said......doesn`t matter if somebody else later clarifies what he said....he still said it!!

It's been shown that the translation of Ahmadinejad's remarks you favor was and remains inaccurate, regardless of who used it and when. You will, of course, continue to use it, to claim he said it when he didn't, because it suits the purposes of your propaganda campaign. Why speak the truth when lies suit your purposes better?

 

[Anarchist420]

^^^Damn right. Ahmadinejad is harmless.

 

[Freshgeardude]

It's been shown that the translation of Ahmadinejad's remarks you favor was and remains inaccurate, regardless of who used it and when. You will, of course, continue to use it, to claim he said it when he didn't, because it suits the purposes of your propaganda campaign. Why speak the truth when lies suit your purposes better?

ever hear the phrase "actions speak louder than words" ?

yea funding hamas and hezbollah while giving them thousands of rockets and mortars.

hamas in its charter clearly states

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it." (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).


"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. "


"There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors."


"After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying."
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and hezzbollah is a clear stem from Iran. it started when the revolutionary guard trained some Lebanese to fight against israel.

clearly states

We see in Israel the vanguard of the United States in our Islamic world. It is the hated enemy that must be fought until the hated ones get what they deserve. This enemy is the greatest danger to our future generations and to the destiny of our lands, particularly as it glorifies the ideas of settlement and expansion, initiated in Palestine, and yearning outward to the extension of the Great Israel, from the Euphrates to the Nile.

Our primary assumption in our fight against Israel states that the Zionist entity is aggressive from its inception, and built on lands wrested from their owners, at the expense of the rights of the Muslim people. Therefore our struggle will end only when this entity is obliterated. We recognize no treaty with it, no cease fire, and no peace agreements, whether separate or consolidated.

We vigorously condemn all plans for negotiation with Israel, and regard all negotiators as enemies, for the reason that such negotiation is nothing but the recognition of the legitimacy of the Zionist occupation of Palestine. Therefore we oppose and reject the Camp David Agreements, the proposals of King Fahd, the Fez and Reagan plan, Brezhnev's and the French-Egyptian proposals, and all other programs that include the recognition (even the implied recognition) of the Zionist entity.
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yea, and Iran doesnt want israel wiped off the map.

 

[Jhhnn]

Heh. Just as the US was instrumental in the nurture of Al Qaeda, so was Israel wrt Hamas-

http://amconmag.com/article/2007/feb/12/00017/

Probably too deep for the usual Israeli fanbois.

 

[Lemon law]

Wait, who thought Iranians had nukes? Must be the same people who think that vulture is up to no good.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- As Hababusa exactly manages to exactly miss his own vulture point, Israel has had an over abundance of nuclear weapons for decades. Will the real vulture please stand up!

 

[hal2kilo]

Heh. Just as the US was instrumental in the nurture of Al Qaeda, so was Israel wrt Hamas-

http://amconmag.com/article/2007/feb/12/00017/

Probably too deep for the usual Israeli fanbois.

I normally stay out of gun control, abortion, and israel vice palestine threads due to their being no real discussion, just people shouting over each others head. We create, as a country, the terrorists who want us dead as does israel.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Heh. Just as the US was instrumental in the nurture of Al Qaeda, so was Israel wrt Hamas-

http://amconmag.com/article/2007/feb/12/00017/

Probably too deep for the usual Israeli fanbois.

http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=178&nid=16447

Israel Today magazine says that Israel had a part in this...

But the person who wrote the article for The American conservative magazine goes into her own opinionated tangent.....

 

[JEDIYoda]

It's been shown that the translation of Ahmadinejad's remarks you favor was and remains inaccurate, regardless of who used it and when. You will, of course, continue to use it, to claim he said it when he didn't, because it suits the purposes of your propaganda campaign. Why speak the truth when lies suit your purposes better?

The only problem with you hyperbole is that Ahmadinejad has said the same thing using dofferent words over and over and you can only say it was mis-translated once....or is that too much for you to comprehend??

Hell, even Ahmadinejad was heard saying that what he said was NOT mis-translated!!

 

[Jhhnn]

The only problem with you hyperbole is that Ahmadinejad has said the same thing using dofferent words over and over and you can only say it was mis-translated once....or is that too much for you to comprehend??

Hell, even Ahmadinejad was heard saying that what he said was NOT mis-translated!!

Not exactly. What he said has been inaccurately translated, then repeated and embellished over and over again by propaganda operatives like yourself. You assert lies and exaggeration as fact, then demand that others prove you wrong.

If he's said the same thing over and over, I'm sure you can provide the instances and unbiased translations, right?

And if he said he wasn't originally mistranslated I'm sure you can support that too, huh?

 

[SamurAchzar]

It doesn't matter what he said, and we'll never be certain as long as we don't speak Persian. Nevertheless:

1. Iran has been waging a proxy war on Israel for 20 years now, no one can dispute that. Look at the amount of Iranian weapons, money and training provided to Hizballah and Hamas, organizations whose sole purpose is the destruction of Israel;

2. Claiming Israel alarmed the US establishment about Iranian nukes strikes me funny; it's the same as saying TSA can be abolished because no plane was hijacked in US in many years now. By all reports, Israel spends a huge amount of resources delaying the Iranian program. Without these efforts, who know what would they have by now.