I have recently noticed that Israeli soldiers are being killed instead of civilians. Any thoughts, comments?
Israeili Soldiers??
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Not many people want to blow themself up. Also the whole dying for 13 virgins in heaven doesn't really go well when it is not even in their religious books.
But aside from suicide bombings .. the soldiers died because they went into palestinian territory.
But aside from suicide bombings .. the soldiers died because they went into palestinian territory.
The Jews know what the next development is after "fences" , camps and forcing others into ghettos. Do you?
Bulk Beef
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When the Israelis start building gas chambers and ovens, we'll talk. The fact is that the barrier complicates the task of getting into Israel proper and setting off a bomb, which leaves would-be suicide bombers with settlers or soldiers in the West Bank or Gaza. Whether you agree with the reasoning behind the barrier or the course it takes is immaterial.
I pitty both the Israelis and the Palestinians.
This whole mess was orcastrated by the West, when they created Israel, and then further orcastrated by every single Muslim nation in the Middle East when they refused to let a single Palestinian settle in their land. They created a pisshole for the Palestinians and pretend to care about what happens to them, while in reality they stand by and point fingers at Israel and telling them they aren't doing enough. What have they done? Besides using it as a pretext for invasion, funding, training, and supporting terrorists that target Israel, they have done absolutely nothing to actually resolve the issue and as long as a single Israeli is there they never will.
At worst it is a tragedy that was knowingly created by all sides that pits the Israelis and Palestinians against each other. At best it was created because of sheer incompetence.
I honestly don't know which and these days nobody would care anyhow regardless of which is true.
This whole mess was orcastrated by the West, when they created Israel, and then further orcastrated by every single Muslim nation in the Middle East when they refused to let a single Palestinian settle in their land. They created a pisshole for the Palestinians and pretend to care about what happens to them, while in reality they stand by and point fingers at Israel and telling them they aren't doing enough. What have they done? Besides using it as a pretext for invasion, funding, training, and supporting terrorists that target Israel, they have done absolutely nothing to actually resolve the issue and as long as a single Israeli is there they never will.
At worst it is a tragedy that was knowingly created by all sides that pits the Israelis and Palestinians against each other. At best it was created because of sheer incompetence.
I honestly don't know which and these days nobody would care anyhow regardless of which is true.
Aelius hits the nail on the head.
I typically side with the Isrealis on this but I cant deny they havent exactly helped themselves either.
I typically side with the Isrealis on this but I cant deny they havent exactly helped themselves either.
I don't side with the Israeli's on this since they have done their share of deeds too. Both parties are at fault equally. One has the means to completely annihilate and the other has means to defend in a poor manner, turning towards inappropriate methods of revenge. Suicide is a sin in Islam, in any form and manner.
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Had the Arab nations not been so determined to destroy the Jews in the beginning, peasce may have been able to come at a small price.
Israel did what every other nation has done.
Retailiate when attacked and create a buffer zone to protect itself.
for 40 years, the Arab nations refused to acknowledge that they could not remove Israel and every time they scratch the itch, the wound became bigger.
Arab states have pathetic armies, but, Israel did take over land in 1949. Weren't Jews originally from ancient Egypt, more towards the nile river?
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Yes - but they were driven there.
The Jews worked they way back to Palestine (re> Old Test - Moses)
In the early 2000 century, the local Arabs and Jews were surviving in reasonable harmony.
It was when the British started to manipulate things and provide the Arab nations with the thought they The Arabs could do what they wanted with the area.
Israel was provided with land that was planned by the British to be undefendable.
What country would exist with a 30 mile belt that hostile neighbors could use to cut the country in half.
Russia wanted a 1K mile belt to protect them.
Oh, at first Israel was acting in self defense, but lately they've been taking plenty of initiative when it comes to inappropriate use of force.
It's sad, really...just a big, dumb cycle of revenge. The civilians are the ones who suffer...on both sides of the fence.
Soldiers and settlers are fair game IMO, it's about time that Palestinian resistance groups realized that and laid off Israeli civilians. It's a war, keep it between real combattants.
The Israeli military never keeps off Palestinian civilains. You mentioned that Palestinian groups should lay off Israeli civilians (agreed), but how about the Israeli troops laying off Palestinian civilians? Since the second Intifada in 2000, 60% more Palestinian civilians have died than Israelis. If civilian deaths is considered collateral damage, then it is to be for both sides.
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Seeing as many of the palestinians engaged in violence don't wear military uniforms or otherwise distinguish themselves from the civilian populace, how do the Israelis tell which is which?
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The difference is the PLO is targeting the civilians.
The Israelis are going after the militants who are hiding amoung the civilians.
When a 25 year old mother walks up to a checkpoint and explodes a bomb or a 8 year old is sent with a backpack full of explosives, then how can you tell you the bad ones are.
You do not see the Israeli's climbing on a bus and blowing it up.
The Palestinians are under privileged and do not have an organized army. Israeli's have one of the strongest armies in the world supported by the ultimate power in the world. Lets say for eg. if Palestinians organize a proper army, which includeds Jets, Tanks, proper weaponry, uniform etc, I am sure they will fight in a just manner too.
Israel resorted to terrorist methods too before 1949 against the British since the Israeli's had no army. How can an ill equipped nation fight a proper war of freedom or whatever it is?
One thing I fully agree on is suicide bombing has gotten out of hand. But I also understand why they do it. They have lost their families or they don't have anything to live for or they simply want to make a quick buck for their struggling families (sacrifice their own life). They are in a lust for blood and have lost their ways. So therefore, suicide bombing is uncalled for and unIslamic.
A good example of imbalance of power would be, US fighting Mexico. It sounds absurd doesn't it? That is why the Palestinians should get their act together and concentrate on educating their youth for a better future. They should accept their defeat and move on.
Israel resorted to terrorist methods too before 1949 against the British since the Israeli's had no army. How can an ill equipped nation fight a proper war of freedom or whatever it is?
One thing I fully agree on is suicide bombing has gotten out of hand. But I also understand why they do it. They have lost their families or they don't have anything to live for or they simply want to make a quick buck for their struggling families (sacrifice their own life). They are in a lust for blood and have lost their ways. So therefore, suicide bombing is uncalled for and unIslamic.
A good example of imbalance of power would be, US fighting Mexico. It sounds absurd doesn't it? That is why the Palestinians should get their act together and concentrate on educating their youth for a better future. They should accept their defeat and move on.
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numbers don't mean much. hitlers armies lost far more men then americas. does that give them higher moral standing? look at the age/sex distribution in the casualties. heres one site with stats israeli casualties more reflect indescriminate targeting whereas palestinian deaths are largely made up of young men. i wonder why?
as for move onto what. if the palestinians had tried to build a strong society and its institutions instead of indoctrinating its people with nazi like propaganda in schools and all levels of government to continue a war to destroy all of israel for all these decades,, they would have a state already. instead the only innovations they have given to the world are in the realm of terror, from hijacking airlines to suicide bombers. to this day their maps don't have any israel at all. it is their fundamental dishonesty about their cause that has held them back all these years. the fact that they hate israel more then they love life or their children.
as for the fence, it is where it is because arafat spit in the face of peace. barak/clinton offered 94% of the westbank. arafat rejected even this. there is no negotiating with arafat.
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