Isn't the RIAA considered illegal?

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: brxndxn

Originally posted by: KLin

Originally posted by: brxndxn
Hopefully, more people will become rampant pirates with the tenacious goal of making sure the music industry sees ZERO of their money. When that happens, and the music industry as of now fails, a new industry will spring up... showing the power of capitalism. The new industry will be better in every way.

I cannot wait for the RIAA to fail. They are crooks.

You're an idiot.

You suck at arguing. How about a better counter argument or should I start making fun of your ugly face?

Here Here! :beer:
Name calling here has gotten out of hand.

 

[brxndxn]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0

Originally posted by: brxndxn

Originally posted by: KLin

Originally posted by: brxndxn
Hopefully, more people will become rampant pirates with the tenacious goal of making sure the music industry sees ZERO of their money. When that happens, and the music industry as of now fails, a new industry will spring up... showing the power of capitalism. The new industry will be better in every way.

I cannot wait for the RIAA to fail. They are crooks.

You're an idiot.

You suck at arguing. How about a better counter argument or should I start making fun of your ugly face?

Here Here! :beer:
Name calling here has gotten out of hand.

I'm not calling Klin names.. I'm just stating that the fact that Klin has an ugly face is irrelevant to the argument.. just as Klin's comment that I'm an idiot is irrelevant to the argument.

 

[technogeeky]

I can't believe nobody has said this yet:

The reason the RIAA is legal is because the Supreme Court says they are. In a related case (perhaps against the RIAA?) the Supreme Court decided that an industry association such as the RIAA would aid in effectively exploring distribution methods and "streamlines" the process of pricing and distributing intellectual property (music rights) among themselves.

 

[yourdeardaniel]

doesn't the RIAA and record label paid their artists very low $$? 10% of cd or something

 

[Leper Messiah]

Originally posted by: yourdeardaniel
doesn't the RIAA and record label paid their artists very low $$? 10% of cd or something

more like 2 percent tops.

 

[Jittles]

See, and then the corporations get all... corporationy, in their corporation buildings, and... and they make money.

 

[DainBramaged]

Originally posted by: goku
I say this in that they're like a monopoly but not quite, they have complete control over the industry but they're not one company, or are they? The RIAA seems like it's a "channel" for music companies to practice unlawful things like price fixing, and making agreements behind company doors, other things that if they came to light, might have the government crawling down their throats...

pls commit seppeku with a dull chainsaw

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

I seriously hate people who complain about the RIAA and when the RIAA sues people for illegal downloading or when people get arrested or whatever for having pirated music or whatever people start crying. THey say the RIAA is unfair and that it rips artists off and charges us exorbitant amounts in record prices. True the RIAA may charge too much and artists don't benefit or whatever, but stop whining. If you're downloading music illegally, then you're doing something illegal. Deal with the RIAA, take it down or whatever, but until then you are doing illegal stuff, and don't whine when you get caught. RIAA's suckiness doesn't imply you are legally safe in doing what you do. Nor does it mean what you're doing is justifyable.

 

[themroc27]

Originally posted by: DLeRium
I seriously hate people who complain about the RIAA and when the RIAA sues people for illegal downloading or when people get arrested or whatever for having pirated music or whatever people start crying. THey say the RIAA is unfair and that it rips artists off and charges us exorbitant amounts in record prices. True the RIAA may charge too much and artists don't benefit or whatever, but stop whining. If you're downloading music illegally, then you're doing something illegal. Deal with the RIAA, take it down or whatever, but until then you are doing illegal stuff, and don't whine when you get caught. RIAA's suckiness doesn't imply you are legally safe in doing what you do. Nor does it mean what you're doing is justifyable.

fines, laws associated with violation of copyright are disproportionately harsh. the laws don't reflect the wishes or sensibilities of the community, rather they are the result of big money and lobbying of the record companies. just because downloading of copyrighted music is illegal, does not mean it is morally unjustifiable. intellectual property rights are a social/ legal construction of man, and not something everyone subscribes to. my own view is that illegal downloading of copyrighted music is a very minor offence, to be compared with (in terms of severity) dropping some litter on the ground or getting a parking fine. Maximum fine for illegal downloaders? $200, donated to a local charity, would be appropriate, imo.

 

[So]

If it was illegal for ALCOA to abuse their monoply power by continually lowering prices, the RIAA should be illegal.

 

[imported_goku]

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: goku
I say this in that they're like a monopoly but not quite, they have complete control over the industry but they're not one company, or are they? The RIAA seems like it's a "channel" for music companies to practice unlawful things like price fixing, and making agreements behind company doors, other things that if they came to light, might have the government crawling down their throats...

pls commit seppeku with a dull chainsaw

only after I do you first.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: goku

Originally posted by: DainBramaged

Originally posted by: goku
I say this in that they're like a monopoly but not quite, they have complete control over the industry but they're not one company, or are they? The RIAA seems like it's a "channel" for music companies to practice unlawful things like price fixing, and making agreements behind company doors, other things that if they came to light, might have the government crawling down their throats...

pls commit seppeku with a dull chainsaw

only after I do you first.

Is said chainsaw on? If not, that'd be damn impressive...unless you dropped it on your head or something.

 

[Sunbird]

Originally posted by: DLeRium
I seriously hate people who complain about the RIAA and when the RIAA sues people for illegal downloading or when people get arrested or whatever for having pirated music or whatever people start crying. THey say the RIAA is unfair and that it rips artists off and charges us exorbitant amounts in record prices. True the RIAA may charge too much and artists don't benefit or whatever, but stop whining. If you're downloading music illegally, then you're doing something illegal. Deal with the RIAA, take it down or whatever, but until then you are doing illegal stuff, and don't whine when you get caught. RIAA's suckiness doesn't imply you are legally safe in doing what you do. Nor does it mean what you're doing is justifyable.

Apartheid here in South Africa was legal, and people fighting it was illegal and you could end up in jail or dead for doing it, so whats legal isnt necessarily right.

 

[smack Down]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
well the last time the music industry was prosecuted didn't they just settle without admitting fault?

And the main thing they "lost" in the settlement was a few million dollars (by RIAA math) in unsellable CDs.

 

[Modeps]

Originally posted by: DLeRium
I seriously hate people who complain about the RIAA and when the RIAA sues people for illegal downloading or when people get arrested or whatever for having pirated music or whatever people start crying. THey say the RIAA is unfair and that it rips artists off and charges us exorbitant amounts in record prices. True the RIAA may charge too much and artists don't benefit or whatever, but stop whining. If you're downloading music illegally, then you're doing something illegal. Deal with the RIAA, take it down or whatever, but until then you are doing illegal stuff, and don't whine when you get caught. RIAA's suckiness doesn't imply you are legally safe in doing what you do. Nor does it mean what you're doing is justifyable.

I hate the RIAA's lawsuits because they dont follow the same rules that any other normal individual person has to follow when they file for a lawsuit. The RIAA sues people in bulk instead of one at a time. Not only that, when they sue, they KNOW that the targets of these bulk lawsuits do not have the money to fight it in court and ultimately just end up giving into their demands.

I guess one of the good things is that judges are finally throwing out the lawsuits with predjudice because they're realizing how wrong they are in the first place.

I refuse to purchase any CD where the Artist is part of the RIAA and you should too! (as well as anything published/produced by Electronic Arts). If you go to more independent bands' websites you can typically buy CDs for around $10 a piece plus shipping.

Fight with your walletts.

 

[FeuerFrei]

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Here Here! :beer:
Name calling here has gotten out of hand.

OK people ... it's "Hear hear!".

"Here Here!" makes no sense whatsoever. Unless you are asking someone to toss you something.

 

[Modeps]

Originally posted by: FeuerFrei

Originally posted by: virtualgames0
Here Here! :beer:
Name calling here has gotten out of hand.

OK people ... it's "Hear hear!".

"Here Here!" makes no sense whatsoever. Unless you are asking someone to toss you something.

Hear Here?

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: DLeRium
I seriously hate people who complain about the RIAA and when the RIAA sues people for illegal downloading or when people get arrested or whatever for having pirated music or whatever people start crying. THey say the RIAA is unfair and that it rips artists off and charges us exorbitant amounts in record prices. True the RIAA may charge too much and artists don't benefit or whatever, but stop whining. If you're downloading music illegally, then you're doing something illegal. Deal with the RIAA, take it down or whatever, but until then you are doing illegal stuff, and don't whine when you get caught. RIAA's suckiness doesn't imply you are legally safe in doing what you do. Nor does it mean what you're doing is justifyable.

except what the RIAA is doing is even worse. they are nothing more then a racketering company now. IF they eve think you are downloading songs/movies etc they sue you. EVEN if they have NO proof that you are the one downloading stuff.

So you have a choice either pay the RIAA 3k to get them drop it or shell out 3-8k for a lawyer. Not many poeple have the money to pay for a lawyer so they do the cheapest they can.

they do this to thousands a year. what they are doing is/should be illegal. Pitty they RIAA has a few members of congress in there pocket.


as i have said in other threads. its not a country of the poeple for the people its of the people for the big business.

 

[CptObvious]

Originally posted by: goku
I say this in that they're like a monopoly but not quite, they have complete control over the industry but they're not one company, or are they? The RIAA seems like it's a "channel" for music companies to practice unlawful things like price fixing, and making agreements behind company doors, other things that if they came to light, might have the government crawling down their throats...

The music licensing industry (in particular, ASCAP and BMI) were sued in the past by the DOJ/FTC for antitrust violations. Like the RIAA they really are monopolies and engage in price fixing, price discrimination, tying arrangements, etc. but apparently the Supreme Court thought they were crucial for the music industry to function so they're allowed to keep the current licensing system alive.

 

[FoBoT]

you pirates crack me up when you play "lawyer"

how about you all just stop stealing music/movies/software and then they wouldn't exist?

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: aeroguy

Originally posted by: ElFenix
ummm... no, industry associations are not illegal.

Exactly. Many industries have them. Another example is the ATA (air transport association) that airlines belong to.

Yup, but if an industry association uses its power to do illegal things, that's another story. I suspect the RIAA is guilty of many of those illegal behaviors where airlines would not be. An example that comes to mind would be price fixing.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: DLeRium
I seriously hate people who complain about the RIAA and when the RIAA sues people for illegal downloading or when people get arrested or whatever for having pirated music or whatever people start crying. THey say the RIAA is unfair and that it rips artists off and charges us exorbitant amounts in record prices. True the RIAA may charge too much and artists don't benefit or whatever, but stop whining. If you're downloading music illegally, then you're doing something illegal. Deal with the RIAA, take it down or whatever, but until then you are doing illegal stuff, and don't whine when you get caught. RIAA's suckiness doesn't imply you are legally safe in doing what you do. Nor does it mean what you're doing is justifyable.

That's the dumbest argument I've ever heard. Laws derive their authority from morality, not the other way around. I'm not saying I think copyright laws are amoral, or that violating them is ok, but this idea that "it's the law, and that makes it right" is just dumb. Lots of things used to be "the law" that turned out to be not so great.