ISIS flag flown in east London

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MongGrel

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fly a swastika and see what happens.

More or less what I was thinking.

I pop one of those on my house would be plenty of trouble.

Still the issue of Confederate flags even down here of course now and then.
 

alzan

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Let freedom ring until your enemies all of a sudden wake up and decide they can take advantage of that freedom and legally infiltrate your country......

Which is the truth.....

Just look at California.....mind you the Hispanic people are not our enemies but they will eventually be the majority population. I can see in our lifetime new laws making Mexican the main spoken language in California.....

Hahaha, Muslims have been immigrating to the UK since the 1920's. Let me guess, they're all sleeper cells and still just waiting for their commands.

Many successive leaderships of Mexico and the US have done nothing to improve the economy of Mexico which has more to do with the influx of immigrants to CA and other states.

Also, it's the Spanish language, not Mexican.
 

Jaskalas

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I see hatred from those who think flying a flag is dangerous. So how much hatred do we tolerate?

Even thought I would never burn an American flag I stand by the rights of those who chose to do so.

We're talking about ISIS and people who support them. People who support active ongoing attempts at genocide and the massacre of minorities. Should those ideas be allowed to take hold, to find support and grow on our land? Or maybe as a "free" land, a piece of it is theirs too?

You'd support the rights of a KKK rally?
 

Moonbeam

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We're talking about ISIS and people who support them. People who support active ongoing attempts at genocide and the massacre of minorities. Should those ideas be allowed to take hold, to find support and grow on our land? Or maybe as a "free" land, a piece of it is theirs too?

You'd support the rights of a KKK rally?

Of course, because if they weren't allowed to find support they will find support and if they are allowed to they won't. Just the reason Londo doesn't have any desire to burn our flag and me neither. Only by trusting in the goodness of man, a notion our constitution is built on, can we provide the living examples of people who make it true. Londo isn't a coward like you.
 

silverpig

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It wasn't an ISIS flag.

It was a black flag with arabic writing that translated to "Allah is the only God" or something to that effect. I believe that writing is also on the Saudi flag. The saying is one of the tenets of Islam, and it is often said at events like funerals. The flag was flying next to a Palestinian flag.

It's similar to if someone flew the Israeli flag next to one that said "Amen" or something.
 

JEDIYoda

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let freedom ring, until you disagree.
That's an ignorant statement.......you actually are in favor of people who support ISIS possibly one day being able to take over Great Britain under the guise of freedom?
 

JEDIYoda

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Hahaha, Muslims have been immigrating to the UK since the 1920's. Let me guess, they're all sleeper cells and still just waiting for their commands.
so you tell me....150,000 Muslims support ISIS in the UK....sounds to ne like your don`t know jack about these people....
 

mikeymikec

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That's an ignorant statement.......you actually are in favor of people who support ISIS possibly one day being able to take over Great Britain under the guise of freedom?

Today Poplar, tomorrow the world, MUAHAHAHAA! These flags shall grant us INFINITE POWER!

Seriously. Your post is so loaded with hyperbole that there's very little to debate once it has been stripped out.

so you tell me....150,000 Muslims support ISIS in the UK....sounds to ne like your don`t know jack about these people....

And this sounds like a Daily Mail headline, citation needed.

Furthermore, I wouldn't be surprised if 150,000 extreme racist anti-foreigners can be found in the UK. Combine the total number of BNP/EDL/Britain First supporters (and those of a few other TLAs I can't remember), I'm pretty sure there'd be 150,000 or more. So even if I assumed for a second that your "150k ISIS supporter" figure is correct, what does this tell us exactly?
 
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Londo_Jowo

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We're talking about ISIS and people who support them. People who support active ongoing attempts at genocide and the massacre of minorities. Should those ideas be allowed to take hold, to find support and grow on our land? Or maybe as a "free" land, a piece of it is theirs too?

You'd support the rights of a KKK rally?

Though I would not attend a KKK rally or join the Westboro Baptist Church protests I do support their right to free speech. I fully support the US Constitution and the rights it affords all Americans.
 

Exterous

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Though I would not attend a KKK rally or join the Westboro Baptist Church protests I do support their right to free speech. I fully support the US Constitution and the rights it affords all Americans.

:thumbsup: Its easy to support the freedom surrounding something you agree with but its much more important to protect the freedoms surrounding people\something you don't agree with. I may think think someone is a bad person or strongly disagree with their beliefs but that should never allow me to infringe upon their constitutionally granted rights
 

spacejamz

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Though I would not attend a KKK rally or join the Westboro Baptist Church protests I do support their right to free speech. I fully support the US Constitution and the rights it affords all Americans.

Does the right to free speech include threats of beheading and putting your severed head on a stake to intimidate those that do not share the same beliefs as you do? I don't think those actions are in the current KKK or Westboro playbooks...but should this even matter??

Nothing will really happen anyway until something tragic happens and even then, not sure what could be done...Make no mistake though, ISIS wants to exterminate anyone who does not convert. How do you deal with that?
 

spacejamz

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You take the fight to Isis, not banning or jailing someone for flying a flag thousands of miles away.

I agree with you whole heartedly....but my guess is that Isis is going to be taking the fighting to the West...Guess we will just deal with that when it happens....
 

Moonbeam

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I agree with you whole heartedly....but my guess is that Isis is going to be taking the fighting to the West...Guess we will just deal with that when it happens....

As we do with all crime, but we are not so tolerant of speech that we allow folk to advocat violent overthrow of the government. That is a crime too that we can deal with by legal means. We rely on education and the reasonable nature of most people to protect us from fanatical ideas.
 
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We're talking about ISIS and people who support them. People who support active ongoing attempts at genocide and the massacre of minorities. Should those ideas be allowed to take hold, to find support and grow on our land? Or maybe as a "free" land, a piece of it is theirs too?

You'd support the rights of a KKK rally?

Do you wish to criminalize ideas, to punish thought crime?

We should all be prepared to support the right of the KKK, or neo Nazis or <fill in the blank with abhorrent organization of your choice> to rally and speechify.

We should also be prepared to tell/show these people in no uncertain terms that what they believe in is wrong and why.
 

Jaskalas

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Do you wish to criminalize ideas, to punish thought crime?

We should all be prepared to support the right of the KKK, or neo Nazis or <fill in the blank with abhorrent organization of your choice> to rally and speechify.

We should also be prepared to tell/show these people in no uncertain terms that what they believe in is wrong and why.

It is more than a thought to publicly pledge towards a genocidal group. To carry their symbols in support.

So they may rally and speechify, okay. What might they say in those speeches? Perhaps they'll convey the message of their brethren, warning us to convert or die. If their supporters begin issuing threats of violence, do we intercede?

I wonder how our laws handle that sort of cross over. From acceptable protest to non acceptable. Surely we draw the line somewhere.