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ISIS changing tactics due to Snowden leaks

John Connor

John Connor

Lifer
“Following the disclosure of the stolen NSA documents, terrorists are changing how they communicate to avoid surveillance. They are moving to more secure communications platforms, using encryption and avoiding electronic communications altogether,” Mr. Olsen, a former NSA general counsel, said Wednesday at the Brookings Institution. “This is a problem for us in many areas where we have limited human collection and depend on intercepted communications to identify and disrupt plots.”
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/sep/4/islamic-state-using-edward-snowden-leaks-to-evade-/

This is why I don't support Snowden at all. I mean did we really need to have confirmation that the NSA was spying on you? I knew that ever since I could remember. Snowden should be shot!
 
About this. The leak about tapping Angela Merkel and other people's phones is just put in attentionwhore douche territory - intelligence of that sort is NSA's fucking job description.
 
So the NSA tells us that people exposing their activities is bad. Yeah, that's going to carry a lot of weight 🙄 Further, the fact that someone exploits our freedoms to carry out misdeeds doesn't mean we should curtail freedoms, that's just part of the price of being free.

I don't have as much of an issue with the NSA's activities as I have with the lack of oversight and effective control over those activities, and lack of transparency into how information gathered on American citizens is used.

Snowden provided critical information, allowing us a small glimpse into the world of the NSA. He tried blowing the whistle from the inside, but that was obviously not going anywhere, so while I don't like the guy personally, I think of him as a hero for exposing things.
 
John Connor said:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/sep/4/islamic-state-using-edward-snowden-leaks-to-evade-/

This is why I don't support Snowden at all. I mean did we really need to have confirmation that the NSA was spying on you? I knew that ever since I could remember. Snowden should be shot!
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Dude, youre crazy. Snowden is a hero.

You want him shot because.....why? Because he exposed the US government for spying on its citizens? Dont you think you should channel your anger towards the people causing the real problems (terrorists) and not towards the people trying to help?
 
Title should read:
"Americans Changing Tacttics Due to Snowden Leaks"

The NSA certainly in the past 6 months has done more to spy on Americans than ISIS because if they had done the latter thoroughly, ISIS wouldn't be a problem today, would it?
 
I never understood the praise Snowden got - this just proves what a jackass he is, and how his fan club is even jackass-er.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
The NSA which is spying on us is the source of the story. What else are the foxes telling the chickens?
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THIS!!!

The NSA and even FBI are being hammered from the public and its an election year. NSA/FBI want to keep their budgets and the top people want to keep their jobs.
 
Newell Steamer said:
I never understood the praise Snowden got - this just proves what a jackass he is, and how his fan club is even jackass-er.
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I never understood why Obama had to bully and threaten the world over Snowden. You would have thought Hitler was alive and well and fleeing justice.

Snowden being a hero? He did what he thought he had to and realized he'd be hunted for it. Principled perhaps. Jackass? Well so is just about everyone here but that doesn't make everyone wrong. Regardless of what I think of the man I'm glad I know the foxes are hunting and not as particular as I thought they were. YMMV.
 
Some people seem to think we'd be better off with no police, no NSA, no government, NoBama, No health care, no nothing. "Get your government hands off my social security!"
 
This will likely work in the favor of the NSA.

Freakanomics has some interesting sort of stuff like this.

You are monitoring people, and then news like this gets released. And people who switch tactics flag themselves for additional monitoring.

A similar idea they touched on was monitoring financial transactions. They did some interview where they said terrorists don't buy life insurance so they monitor folks who don't have it. So the next day you have all these people buying life insurance...Those are the ones they focus on.
 
Smoblikat said:
Dude, youre crazy. Snowden is a hero.

You want him shot because.....why? Because he exposed the US government for spying on its citizens? Dont you think you should channel your anger towards the people causing the real problems (terrorists) and not towards the people trying to help?
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Snowden was both. He was a hero for exposing how our Constitutional rights are being violated via spying on our own citizens. He was a traitor for telling our enemies (and friends) how we were spying on them.
 
moonbogg said:
Some people seem to think we'd be better off with no police, no NSA, no government, NoBama, No health care, no nothing. "Get your government hands off my social security!"
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Why yes that is exactly what we are saying. This is such a horribly thought out argument. It ranks right up there with telling people who want limited govt that Somalia is the perfect place for them. Yes limited govt is the same as anarchy.
 
moonbogg said:
Some people seem to think we'd be better off with no police, no NSA, no government, NoBama, No health care, no nothing. "Get your government hands off my social security!"
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You are right. We need all those things so the government should be telling you who and what you should be having sex with, assuming you have sex.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
You are right. We need all those things so the government should be telling you who and what you should be having sex with, assuming you have sex.
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Some people seem to be fine with the idea of hammering a stake in the ground, calling it home and defending it with an AR-15. Is that you?
 
The only terrorists that needed confirmation that we were monitoring them electronically are the dumb ones. Anyone remotely dangerous was already smart enough to realize it.
 
moonbogg said:
Some people seem to think we'd be better off with no police, no NSA, no government, NoBama, No health care, no nothing. "Get your government hands off my social security!"
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yea I mean its not like there is a middle ground to where our own Government is not spying on its own citizen illegally, violating the constitution they swore to uphold, and then lying about it over and over again. Nope its either all or nothing, that's the only choices.


:colbert:
 
moonbogg said:
Some people seem to be fine with the idea of hammering a stake in the ground, calling it home and defending it with an AR-15. Is that you?
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Since you mention it I do find the mental image of myself doing what you say kind of funny, but no, I'm not a "you either have to fight the government or let it run roughshod over you" person. I don't believe I have to have the NSA looking at my private communications in order to have Social Security. Do you?
 
Pens1566 said:
The only terrorists that needed confirmation that we were monitoring them electronically are the dumb ones. Anyone remotely dangerous was already smart enough to realize it.
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That brings up a point. We're supposed know "duh" that the NSA is spying on us and don't need anyone to tell us that but at the same time terrorists can't know that's a possibility. Just how did we partition this information so we can know what the terrorists cant?
 
Deciet is not for the benefit of the decieved, it's for the benefit of the deciever (who may rationalize till the cows come home to make him/herself out to be the "good" guy).


Also, different issues here. Exposing the deciet vs terrorists doing what terrorists do. Rationalizing that can end up anywhere, but never the truth.
 
PokerGuy said:
Snowden provided critical information, allowing us a small glimpse into the world of the NSA. He tried blowing the whistle from the inside, but that was obviously not going anywhere, so while I don't like the guy personally, I think of him as a hero for exposing things.
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Could you imagine their response to the next guy, who tries to do it through "proper" channels on the inside? Their boss will straight up buy them a ticket to GITMO before any leaks can happen.

Employees got the message, you keep your head down and obey.
 
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