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Is xp1800+ or p4 1.6A quieter at stock speed?

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farns

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Im dumb with computer stuff but is the p4 1.6A substantially quieter than the XP1800+
if you dont OC either? Is it immediately obvious or would you have to sort of listen to both?

I have only ever used my 1st and only PC for light work such as accounts and windows stuff and gaming.
I cant play the latest games with my ancient 8 mb 3D card so will upgrade but if I have to get a new cpu and HD I want quiet big-time.Im happy to take the performance drop of a stock speed 1.6A if its way quieter than the Athlon XP.
If theres anyway I can get a an Athlon XP as quiet without water cooling or spending a lot Id be happy to hear it,I hear the Volcano 7+ and panaflo fans are quiet but theyd need to be for me to get an Athlon over a p4.
 
I use an Alpha PAL8045 heatsink with a Panaflow L1H fan on my Athlon XP 1600+. Quiet, but considering how the P4 prices have dropped hard for me to make a good arguement for.


Just going by Newegg prices
129 for retail P4, got heatsink/fan covered
115 for OEM XP1800, 35 heatsink, $150 and you still need to find the fan.
Or the volcano 7 at 29, still up to 144.
You can get an AMD as quiet with big sinks, but the numbers don't lean that way at the moment.

I love to go AMD whenever I can, but.....
...you'll be very happy with your new P4

--Mc
 


<< I use an Alpha PAL8045 heatsink with a Panaflow L1H fan on my Athlon XP 1600+. Quiet, but considering how the P4 prices have dropped hard for me to make a good arguement for.


Just going by Newegg prices
129 for retail P4, got heatsink/fan covered
115 for OEM XP1800, 35 heatsink, $150 and you still need to find the fan.
Or the volcano 7 at 29, still up to 144.
You can get an AMD as quiet with big sinks, but the numbers don't lean that way at the moment.

I love to go AMD whenever I can, but.....
...you'll be very happy with your new P4

--Mc >>




Actually comparing through price is unfair since an XP1800+ would woup P4 1.6's @$$!!!

You would really have to compare the price of a XP1800+ to a P4 1.9, which retails for $211, to be at the right level.


As for your question, the answer is NO! There are no CPUs out there that make noise, so it'd be politically incorrect to ask which cpu would be louder over another. You gotta remember it's the fan that makes the noise, not the CPU.

So if you took a panaflo from an XP1800 machine and moved it over to a P4 machine, it'd make the same amount of noise.

Using a panaflo and a alpha 8045 would be quieter than any retail HS/fan combo on the P4.

If that's still too loud for you, get a 12dB papst fan.
 


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<< I use an Alpha PAL8045 heatsink with a Panaflow L1H fan on my Athlon XP 1600+. Quiet, but considering how the P4 prices have dropped hard for me to make a good arguement for.


Just going by Newegg prices
129 for retail P4, got heatsink/fan covered
115 for OEM XP1800, 35 heatsink, $150 and you still need to find the fan.
Or the volcano 7 at 29, still up to 144.
You can get an AMD as quiet with big sinks, but the numbers don't lean that way at the moment.

I love to go AMD whenever I can, but.....
...you'll be very happy with your new P4

--Mc >>




Actually comparing through price is unfair since an XP1800+ would woup P4 1.6's @$$!!!

You would really have to compare the price of a XP1800+ to a P4 1.9, which retails for $211, to be at the right level.


As for your question, the answer is NO! There are no CPUs out there that make noise, so it'd be politically incorrect to ask which cpu would be louder over another. You gotta remember it's the fan that makes the noise, not the CPU.

So if you took a panaflo from an XP1800 machine and moved it over to a P4 machine, it'd make the same amount of noise.

Using a panaflo and a alpha 8045 would be quieter than any retail HS/fan combo on the P4.

If that's still too loud for you, get a 12dB papst fan. >>



Yes the xp1800 will kick the 1.6's arse, but i heard storys from gh that you can overclock the 1.6a to 2.4 ghz with only the stock cooling!
read me!
 
Just answering his question as asked.

Lots of ways to approach this though. Like maybe a nice quiet Mac G4...... 🙂

If you do go the Athlon/big sink route, I highly suggest the Alpha. Bolts right to the motherboard (using springs on each bolt to keep pressure steady) Not a sink you want to take on and off a lot, but you don't sound like one of those kind of guys. Reason I suggest this is you do sound like someone who uses their computer and doesn't like fuss or cutting a corner for $3. While there's more time to putting the Alpha in place (3 min vs 3 seconds) it's not a big deal doing it with the board out when you're building the system and gives you a lifetime of assurance that the clip isn't going to break a tab off the CPU socket and fall off. Probably won't anyway unless you move the machine around a lot, but to me the old single lug clips should be boycotted.

End of out of nowhere rant about clips.

--Mc
 
Yep I know its the fans that make the noise sorry I wasnt clear,but my point was given that the Athlon runs hotter is it gonna be noisier than a p4 1.6A system if both arent OCd.
I aint OCing anything,even though I know the P4 OCs great and is maybe 20-30% slower than an AXP1800+at stock speed, I cant OC it myself and will no doubt invalidate my warranty if I get it done anyway.

"Using a panaflo and a alpha 8045 would be quieter than any retail HS/fan combo on the P4.

If that's still too loud for you, get a 12dB papst fan."

For real? A stock speed AXP1800+ with those fans will be cool enough and quieter than a p4 northwood? I was under the impression from the forums that basically unless u watercooled an AXP it wouldnt be as quiet as a p4 northwood. Dam....just when I was settling on a Northwood.... ;P

Thanks McCarthy,I wont be building it myself,I had not even heard of AMD until a coupla weeks ago which was when I started researching upgrades,I still thought VooDoo were the big name in 3D cards!
Maybe I'll build my next system.
 


<< Yep I know its the fans that make the noise sorry I wasnt clear,but my point was given that the Athlon runs hotter is it gonna be noisier than a p4 1.6A system if both arent OCd.
I aint OCing anything,even though I know the P4 OCs great and is maybe 20-30% slower than an AXP1800+at stock speed, I cant OC it myself and will no doubt invalidate my warranty if I get it done anyway.

"Using a panaflo and a alpha 8045 would be quieter than any retail HS/fan combo on the P4.

If that's still too loud for you, get a 12dB papst fan."

For real? A stock speed AXP1800+ with those fans will be quieter than a p4 northwood? I was under the impression from the forums that basically unless u watercooled an AXP it wouldnt be as quiet as a p4 northwood. Dam....just when I was settling on a Northwood.... ;P

Thanks McCarthy,I wont be building it myself,I had not even heard of AMD until a coupla weeks ago which was when I started researching upgrades,I still thought VooDoo were the big name in 3D cards!
Maybe I'll build my next system. >>



Find out the db rating for the p4 stock cooler, i know that panaflos produce a 21 db rating and 24 cfm...but be aware, the alpha will set you back $32 at the least (+ the panaflo add another $9...bgmicro charges $6 for shipping)
 
Dont forget you probably would need a case fan or two while running an xp1800 with a panaflo. Whereas a with a northwood, you probably could go without a case fan and be ok.
 


<< Dont forget you probably would need a case fan or two while running an xp1800 with a panaflo. Whereas a with a northwood, you probably could go without a case fan and be ok. >>



Why would you NEED a case fan for XP and NOT NEED a case fan for P4?

The fact that XP runs a bit warmer doesnt mean that XP NEEDS a case fan anymore than a P4.

There are many people with XP on this forum that run their case with no fans at all but still do fine, and there are those with P4s that go out of thier way to install one more extra case fan.

A case fan is recommended for any system whether is a pentium, an athlon or even a cool running celeron.
 


<< Yep I know its the fans that make the noise sorry I wasnt clear,but my point was given that the Athlon runs hotter is it gonna be noisier than a p4 1.6A system if both arent OCd.
I aint OCing anything,even though I know the P4 OCs great and is maybe 20-30% slower than an AXP1800+at stock speed, I cant OC it myself and will no doubt invalidate my warranty if I get it done anyway.

"Using a panaflo and a alpha 8045 would be quieter than any retail HS/fan combo on the P4.

If that's still too loud for you, get a 12dB papst fan."

For real? A stock speed AXP1800+ with those fans will be cool enough and quieter than a p4 northwood? I was under the impression from the forums that basically unless u watercooled an AXP it wouldnt be as quiet as a p4 northwood. Dam....just when I was settling on a Northwood.... ;P

Thanks McCarthy,I wont be building it myself,I had not even heard of AMD until a coupla weeks ago which was when I started researching upgrades,I still thought VooDoo were the big name in 3D cards!
Maybe I'll build my next system. >>




Yes that is indeed correct. I'm running a XP1700+ with a panaflo and it even gave me slight room to overclock to 140 fsb. I havent seen a retail P4 HS/fan recently, but I'm guessing that it's a 60mm fan.

Having an 80mm fan will give you a better cooling/noise ratio than a 60mm fan so that's where AMD can stand in par with the P4 in terms of noise and still remain cool, not to mention Alpha rocks! You should really hear the panaflos. Its like a very silent hummm~.

Anandtech did a review of Alpha8045 with a silent 12dB papst fan and I recommend you look at that also since youre not overclocking.
 


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<< Dont forget you probably would need a case fan or two while running an xp1800 with a panaflo. Whereas a with a northwood, you probably could go without a case fan and be ok. >>



Why would you NEED a case fan for XP and NOT NEED a case fan for P4?

The fact that XP runs a bit warmer doesnt mean that XP NEEDS a case fan anymore than a P4.

There are many people with XP on this forum that run their case with no fans at all but still do fine, and there are those with P4s that go out of thier way to install one more extra case fan.

A case fan is recommended for any system whether is a pentium, an athlon or even a cool running celeron. >>



who uses an xp w/ no case fans? athlonxps run hotter than p4s, thats why intel doesn't have an "approved hs list"

not this guy

Dell packages their computers with only 1 case fan and thats with a shroud over the heatsink, they cool effectively and quietly
 


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<< Dont forget you probably would need a case fan or two while running an xp1800 with a panaflo. Whereas a with a northwood, you probably could go without a case fan and be ok. >>



Why would you NEED a case fan for XP and NOT NEED a case fan for P4?

The fact that XP runs a bit warmer doesnt mean that XP NEEDS a case fan anymore than a P4.

There are many people with XP on this forum that run their case with no fans at all but still do fine, and there are those with P4s that go out of thier way to install one more extra case fan.

A case fan is recommended for any system whether is a pentium, an athlon or even a cool running celeron. >>



who uses an xp w/ no case fans? athlonxps run hotter than p4s, thats why intel doesn't have an "approved hs list"

not this guy

Dell packages their computers with only 1 case fan and thats with a shroud over the heatsink, they cool effectively and quietly >>



Anyone can actually, I ran mine with just an enermax PSU last month before I received my panaflos. I couldnt stand those ADDAs on my Lian.

There are still lot of ATX cases that doesnt even come with any mountings for a case fan.
 


<< The fact that XP runs a bit warmer doesnt mean that XP NEEDS a case fan anymore than a P4 >>



A bit warmer? A not overclocked 1.6a does not run a BIT cooler than an 1800+ with a panaflo and no case fans! I had a 1600+ with an alpha8045 and a panaflo and under load it gets close to 58C when I turn all my case fans off except for the 2 in the Power supply.
 


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<< The fact that XP runs a bit warmer doesnt mean that XP NEEDS a case fan anymore than a P4 >>



A bit warmer? A not overclocked 1.6a does not run a BIT cooler than an 1800+ with a panaflo and no case fans! I had a 1600+ with an alpha8045 and a panaflo and under load it gets close to 58C when I turn all my case fans off except for the 2 in the Power supply. >>



Running a XP1700+, Alpha 8045 + panaflo.
CPU temp idle: 43 Load 46.

Your numbers look a bit high. Did you check your thermal paste?
 
In theory:
How much heat does processor X produce vs processor Y? The one that produce the least heat winns.

I dont know actual numbers for P4 1.6 and XP 1800+, anyone else?

IRL:
Doesnt matter much if both processors can be cooled with same result in noise.

Interesting reading...
Looks like some DELL:s are extreamly quiet and they use only one fan and some sort of fan duct to transfer heat from the HSF. My guess is that this might not work if the processor is running too hot, and that brings us back to the question above: How much heat does the P4 1.6 and the XP 1800+ produce?

Quote from thread:
"Also, you wont see a AMD chip in a dell (why dell, why?!?). Pentiums take less to cool than a AMD chip, therefore, less fan noise."-skinsfan44

I would still go fot a the XP 1800+ with a big HS and some low RPM-fan tho.
 
""""couldnt stand those ADDAs on my Lian. """""

I couldn`t either - wow are they sloooow- and replaced the rear one with something that actually sucks air out of the case, I left the front ones in and run them at the middle speed setting (Quiet) as I have the Hard-disks mounted under the floppy..

A good 80MM heatsink like the Swiftech or Thermaright AX-7 with a Panaflow, YS-Tech or Thermaltake 3000RPM fan on shouldn`t be too noisy and give great cooling for an 1800 - I`m about to find out as I`ve ordered the AX-7
 
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