Is Windows 8 really that bad? (Windows 7 user)

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Kroze

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I can say with 100% certainty that any computer that have windows 8 in it, I will uninstall it and put windows 7 in place.

My buddy bought a HP laptop for christmas, he hated the UI of windows 8 so much that he returned the laptop.

It's an operating system designed for content consumption (Tablets & Tablet PC) rather than creation. Shoving that POS operating system into desktop & laptop, what could possibly go wrong?

Microsoft is scrapping windows 8 and releasing windows 9 in april, 2015. That should give you an idea as to how much of a success windows 8 is.
 

G73S

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I can say with 100% certainty that any computer that have windows 8 in it, I will uninstall it and put windows 7 in place.

My buddy bought a HP laptop for christmas, he hated the UI of windows 8 so much that he returned the laptop.

It's an operating system designed for content consumption (Tablets & Tablet PC) rather than creation. Shoving that POS operating system into desktop & laptop, what could possibly go wrong?

Microsoft is scrapping windows 8 and releasing windows 9 in april, 2015. That should give you an idea as to how much of a success windows 8 is.

QFT
 

Fardringle

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So what's the bigger fail? Windows 8 or Vista?

Vista tried to be useful and failed. (At first, anyway. It wasn't as bad with the service packs.).

Windows 8 tried to fail and succeeded. (8.1 is better, but still impedes productivity in many situations.)
 

88keys

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I can say with 100% certainty that any computer that have windows 8 in it, I will uninstall it and put windows 7 in place.

My buddy bought a HP laptop for christmas, he hated the UI of windows 8 so much that he returned the laptop.

It's an operating system designed for content consumption (Tablets & Tablet PC) rather than creation. Shoving that POS operating system into desktop & laptop, what could possibly go wrong?

Microsoft is scrapping windows 8 and releasing windows 9 in april, 2015. That should give you an idea as to how much of a success windows 8 is.

Which means that we can expect it by October 2015.

There doesn't seem to be much info out there regarding the betas. But I figure they'll have some RCs out by the end of the year so we should have an idea in regards to how Windows 9 is shaping up.
 

G73S

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just downgraded to Windows 7 Pro!

God it feels sooo much better! non of that metro crap running in the background
 

Torn Mind

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Windows 8 on the desktop seems to be no issue to me. Yes, there are some annoyances, but only minor to me. Once is that the top left corner is annoying when you have an app open, but that only happens because the Photo app is the default app; that can be changed. Another problem is worse aesthetics due to the loss of Aero Glass. Yes, the All Apps screen is not exactly the kindest thing to navigate through. Instead of listing every shortcut, it should have listed every folder instead. But it forces the user to use a quicker method, be it taskbar pinning, desktop shortcut, or making a shortcut on the Start, things that one should be doing for their "hot apps" anyway.

Windows Search remains, even though the UI is different.

I actually prefer the Charms bar for shutting off the computer.

Oh, and yes third party programs can restore the Start Menu up to some level. The whiners who make it sound as if they have been morally violated and then suggest to you Linux with its customizable desktop interfaces or applaud that one can choose their own desktop environment in Linux. Utter hypocrites.

I actually wonder how Metro becomes so interfering to people. In 8, I only use it to click on shortcuts or go straight to the desktop, and in 8.1, there is the option to actually boot straight into the desktop...

I can understand Win8/8.1 not being good on laptops though. Going all desktop and vintage Windows 7 is better for all those touchpad-laden laptops....
 

Chiefcrowe

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I personally don't like the charms bar for shut down because it takes me longer (and 1 more mouse click)


Windows 8 on the desktop seems to be no issue to me. Yes, there are some annoyances, but only minor to me. Once is that the top left corner is annoying when you have an app open, but that only happens because the Photo app is the default app; that can be changed. Another problem is worse aesthetics due to the loss of Aero Glass. Yes, the All Apps screen is not exactly the kindest thing to navigate through. Instead of listing every shortcut, it should have listed every folder instead. But it forces the user to use a quicker method, be it taskbar pinning, desktop shortcut, or making a shortcut on the Start, things that one should be doing for their "hot apps" anyway.

Windows Search remains, even though the UI is different.

I actually prefer the Charms bar for shutting off the computer.

Oh, and yes third party programs can restore the Start Menu up to some level. The whiners who make it sound as if they have been morally violated and then suggest to you Linux with its customizable desktop interfaces or applaud that one can choose their own desktop environment in Linux. Utter hypocrites.

I actually wonder how Metro becomes so interfering to people. In 8, I only use it to click on shortcuts or go straight to the desktop, and in 8.1, there is the option to actually boot straight into the desktop...

I can understand Win8/8.1 not being good on laptops though. Going all desktop and vintage Windows 7 is better for all those touchpad-laden laptops....
 

baydude

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Sometimes I wonder.. does most or all Microsoft employees use Windows 8 for their work PC? If not, why wouldn't they first use it in their own environment to see how it goes before releasing to the public? It should not cost any extra for the software licenses either..
 
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GeekNick

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I am curious what pain the 8.1 update gave you. It was extremely simple for the bunch of desktops/laptops I have done the upgrade on. I am honestly curious.

I'm not sure that the problem was with the 8.1 itself. After I've installed update, my Wi-Fi connection was disappearing like every 5 minutes. I've tried absolutely everything, every set-up, every driver etc, but nothing helped. I've spoke with other people who had the same problem with the same laptop and they also couldn't do a damn thing. So, back to 8 - no problems there.
 

jhansman

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Ditto on the short answer-no. Different? You bet. I ran it about a week before going back to Win7. Didn't hate it, but could find no good reason to move to it, even with utils that made look and act more or less like Win7. I'll be interested to see what MS comes up with next. I personally would only use it on a tablet.
 

Morbus

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Right now it's vista which
Windows Vista sold more and quicker than Windows 8 is selling, despite being available in fewer devices and despite the devices where it was available selling at a slower rate than the devices where Windows 8 is available are selling now.
 

Imaginer

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The time/effort/money to required to update from 7 --> 8 --> 8.1 are NOT worth it.

If 8.1 offers any improvements, they're under the hood and not obvious. And of course you get a lot of annoyances thrown in as a bonus.

Do me a favor...all those who upgraded from 7, make a list of the "advantages" (say: ADVANTAGES) you now have over 7.

I have a separate launcher for any and all of my desktop shortcuts, eliminating clutter, segregating the desktop to be a pure scratch space for "new text documents" etc.

The emphasis on tile size and color along with the name under organized labeled columns of the Start screen makes more sense as a desktop icon replacement launcher. And this gives more levels of organization than a text menu can.

The new task manager (when revealed in full, not in the basic form) shows plenty of information.

Searching is more universal (from just your files, to files and internet choices) without initially opening File Explorer. This is not as ideal, since the subset search listings of your local stuff is just a subset, with no means of scrolling through the entire pulled search (I am assuming it pulled up that subset to quicken searching locally).

On an HTPC, the Start Screen works even better as a Start launcher. It has more visual emphasis needed rather than the text only emphasis of the Start menu.



BUT one has to own a Tablet PC to appreciate the full advantages of Windows 8.


Modern Internet Explorer, is the most full internet browsing option on a touchscreen ever to exist. It may not offer the full gauntlet of plugins/addons/extensions like the desktop IE, but browsing leaves you unhindered like on a typical mobile browser.

The Start screen even makes more sense as a launcher here versus the Start menu of the past in previous Tablet PCs. The charms bar can be pulled for searching and entered with the split thumb on-screen keyboard.

Coupled with a pen, desktop navigation on the go (or TouchMousePointer) can also be had with no problems. The main advantage in the long run is that since the laptop has bulk (when folded out with keyboard and screen) the Tablet PC can have options to be less bulky for certain deployed situations.

Live information on some tiles, effecitvely replaces widgets, while not being always present on the main working screen. This is not inherently useful on multiple monitored desktop setups with screen resolution and size to spare, but on a Tablet PC, a quick reveal of the live information and back to the working area by to taps of the Start button / Windows icon can get you on your way.

Ribbon interfaces, may not make much sense on the pure desktop since it takes slightly more vertical room for the bar, but on a Tablet PC, some of this can be appreciated in quick access functions.


And above all, there can be even less travel time with direct touching (desktop and modern) apps versus sliding the mouse pointer around (by mosue, trackpad, etc). Some of my desktop programs have seen this in play while I manipulate the main working cursor with my pen, but to switch with touching some interfaces on the side (pen or finger otherwise -given the proper scaling options of the desktop). Things like Manga Studio, for one, allowed me to take advantage of being able to do such.
 
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MtnMan

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Windows 7 and 8 and 8.1 are stable platforms. 99% of what you do on a computer is in an applicaton running on the OS.

I have computers with both 7 and 8/8.1, and I have to think what platform they have, as firefox and other apps I use look and run the same across the platforms.

Quite whining and adapt :mad:
 

Kroze

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Windows 7 and 8 and 8.1 are stable platforms. 99% of what you do on a computer is in an applicaton running on the OS.

I have computers with both 7 and 8/8.1, and I have to think what platform they have, as firefox and other apps I use look and run the same across the platforms.

Quite whining and adapt :mad:
The dollar is going to vote. :colbert:
 

Imaginer

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The dollar is going to vote. :colbert:

It did for me. $15 for the OS upgrade for my desktop and HTPC (along with the free Media Center keys with them). And even more so with the Surface Pro devices.

Otherwise, I would have to hand it this statement.

The time/effort/money to required to update from 7 --> 8 --> 8.1 are NOT worth it.

If you are used to an OS, and everything is fine, there is not any functional reason for doing such a change. Windows 7 works well and still is supported in many areas. Windows 7 isn't going away anytime soon (neither is Vista). It is XP that is of concern, which was on an NT5 kernel.

For new builds though, I wouldn't mind in having to get a full OEM of 8. It keeps the longevity window a bit more extended. Previous machines, if they work both online and offline, there is not much significant changes for some users to perform this change.
 

Imaginer

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It's an operating system designed for content consumption (Tablets & Tablet PC) rather than creation.

I disagree. Functionally, the desktop is the same as 7, it is with a different take on a launcher (Start menu versus Start screen). Alt+Tab still works in the realm of desktop software. On the Modern side, I would agree - hence I rarely leverage modern apps on my desktop to begin with, because they do not offer any additional functionality I need.

Taskbar wise, it is still there like in 7. It behaves as such too. The content creation, depends on the software you are running in the first place. Both 7 and 8 handle multiple applications as normal as usual.

The only thing about that new laptop (or any new 8 device, nevermind RT which has this tile hidden)? The desktop tile is not as emphasized (along with a tutorial hint system). And most people are up in arms about the emphasis of the Start screen.

I am starting to think that despite the collected intellect of the internet, some parts of it aren't as open or flexible in operations and views.
 

ralfy

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I had to use Win 8 because it came with a new laptop and PC, but I didn't have a lot of problems using it after installing Classic Shell.