Is win 8 an NSA data hub?

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lxskllr

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Usually there is code review for most close source applications, so it doesn't rely on a single person.

You're assuming honorable intentions. I might be willing to live with some proprietary software if I *knew* the companies had my needs/concerns foremost in their development, *and* were open about their testing procedures.

As it stands, MS(and others) will sell you out in a heartbeat. They not only don't have your needs foremost, they actively subvert their products to make them easy to spy on. Even if you love the NSA, and think it's the greatest thing since beer, if they can get in the system, so can others you might not like as well.

Bottom line is you'll never know. Security through policy isn't security at all. It's just a bunch of unproven promises, and as we've see over the last year or so, promises aren't worth a sheet of used toilet paper. For every Ladar Levinson, there's.... Everyone else? Has any other company acted as ethically as he did?

Open code isn't a guarantee of anything. It can have bugs, and it can even have malicious code inserted, but I'll take that, and the ability for anyone to look at the code over empty promises, and a mystery box.
 

irishScott

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What it comes down to is you eventually have to trust someone. I use Windows because I like modern video games and blu-rays. I've used tor for years for various things, I've openly posted on this very forum how I think an armed civilian revolution could defeat the US military if it was large enough, and I've half-seriously posted about converting a model rocket into a model tow-missile (albeit without a warhead). I've posted about the guns I own and my defense of the 2nd amendment. I've also unequivocally supported Snowden in various places online.

Still waiting for those black helicopters.
 

Knowing

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1) You cannot stop the James Bond / State Sponsored Überhacker.
2) You are probably not important enough to attract the attention of the James Bond / State Sponsored Überhacker.
3) Even if they did actually own up 600 million personal devices, what good would anything you have on your computers be to anyone?
4) Using anything from your personal computer (if you're using good security hygiene) would indicate that they actually do have the ability and it wouldn't be a conspiracy theory anymore.
5) The Snowden leaks led to a mad dash for new crypto.
 

Sattern

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I'd be careful how much of this "new technology" you use because of course there are people that will be able to access your private data.

I'd personally stick with windows 7 until I can either get a nice Linux or Mac machine.
 
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feralkid

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I don't want to be a victim of illegal spying for the criminal USA bureaucracy NSA.


The spying to which you refer is 100% legal and duly legislated by the Congress of the United States of America.

Please take it up with them next time you vote.
 

JEDIYoda

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you have alot more trust in the goverment then i do

Hell...what could you possibly know that the NSA wants to know......maybe when you grow up and grow a pair you might become somebody important!!
 

Imaginer

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It's intriguing, how we sometimes find ourselves confused in our choices of forums for posting a question -- because there is such a severe overlap between forum categories on a particular topic. I made that remark today on the "HTPC" forum, and it is relevant to my point here: barring the concern about Microsoft's OS, you would post the paranoia in the "Politics" forum. So I'll tell you youngsters what I know...

I would +1 this.

The public wanted more protection in a knee-jerk response to 9/11, they got it. And now are complaining. A reason why a true democracy may not be all good in overall objective outlook. The government is slow to some, but more or less it is robust in a solution change.

Pretty much like course correcting an airplane in flight, or even driving. One doesn't need to keep jerking about to keep to a destination, one has to be vigilant in looking ahead, paying attention to all of your visible sides, and maintain course.

The coincidence of Snowden and "The Bourne Legacy" is perhaps, just a coincidence, but pretty much may be of a possible (slight) correlation.

Also, an agency wouldn't care if your pet goldfish cannot eat, or what underwear you wear around the house, those pieces of information is irrelevant to the security and logistics of a country to begin with. The only way one would garner attention, is actively outright doing something destructive to the very system one is living in - again much like a typical immune system response of the very human body itself.

The system is but a tool as well, the people running them is another issue aside, hence the many tiers of checks and balances.

Also...

I think there's an element of narcissism in the public outcry. You post your drivel on Facebook and everywhere else -- as I post this drivel here -- and then you expect your cell-phone to be secure? Private?

You're not that important. NSA isn't interested in your e-mails; Microsoft isn't either.

I meant to also post that this quote is something I am in kind to agree with.
 
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BonzaiDuck

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I would +1 this.

The public wanted more protection in a knee-jerk response to 9/11, they got it. And now are complaining. A reason why a true democracy may not be all good in overall objective outlook. The government is slow to some, but more or less it is robust in a solution change.

Pretty much like course correcting an airplane in flight, or even driving. One doesn't need to keep jerking about to keep to a destination, one has to be vigilant in looking ahead, paying attention to all of your visible sides, and maintain course.

The coincidence of Snowden and "The Bourne Legacy" is perhaps, just a coincidence, but pretty much may be of a possible (slight) correlation.

Also, an agency wouldn't care if your pet goldfish cannot eat, or what underwear you wear around the house, those pieces of information is irrelevant to the security and logistics of a country to begin with. The only way one would garner attention, is actively outright doing something destructive to the very system one is living in - again much like a typical immune system response of the very human body itself.

The system is but a tool as well, the people running them is another issue aside, hence the many tiers of checks and balances.

Also...

I started catching up on Cold War history -- the real history -- after I retired. There was an entire watershed of document declassifications beginning with the '92 JFK Records Collection Act, and I began to find -- on my own -- that all the crap I'd been told in grade-school (the Cardinal Spellman "newsletters") -- was crap. So it was about the time of the 2000 election that I began raising the alarm (on my own) about the "National Security State."

I had left college with my degree in the early '70s, with a vague feeling of guilt for having a student deferment. I stood on the sidelines when others hitched to Chicago in '68. I had a copy of Ellsberg's "Pentagon Papers" with me when I relocated to the East, but didn't get around to reading it for years.

The guilt turned to rage. I spent a month -- a whole month, day by day, morning until dusk -- at National Archives College Park and Library of Congress in 2004.

In Truth -- "The Past is Prologue." I understand there is a need for these agencies or what they do. But secrecy degrades the democratic process. You can't have wise democratic decisions without a handful of things: costless information and complete information; voters who think logically; voters who have a balanced sense of their personal interest and the public interest; and a view of the future that incorporates an estimate of future costs, future benefits, and a direction for the country.

Therefore, it is possible for a democratic decision to be -- suboptimal, even "wrong." What does it do for us? At minimum, it legitimates authority over fixed terms, knowing there's another election around the corner.

If you had told me 30 years ago that we'd put an oil executive and a public-nose-picker in the White House, I wouldn'a believed it.

I can split hairs over Ellsberg. He skirted the edge of "treasonous" action, but took the RAND documents to Senator Gravel, and then -- the Times. This wasn't in Snowden's playbook. And it bothers me that Ellsberg supports him.

Ellsberg was a hero. Snowden is a twerp.