Is Trump bowing out? RNC reportedly considering options...

[UNCjigga]

NYTimes reporter says the RNC is meeting in DC right now to pave the way for him to exit...they cannot forcefully remove him from the ticket...

https://twitter.com/Yamiche/status/784564766211727360

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Meh Trumps not bowing out in failure. This is more of a crisis management thing to keep the Senate

 

[UberNeuman]

How would that even work? Pence takes the top spot?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

How would that even work? Pence takes the top spot?

Yup, Pence takes over. Interesting question would be if someone voted early for Trump/Pence would that vote count toward Pence/...?

 

[UNCjigga]

I think that's what they're trying to figure out--how to do damage control. What I find hilarious is that Trump dropping out is probably worse for Hillary!

 

[Aegeon]

Yup, Pence takes over. Interesting question would be if someone voted early for Trump/Pence would that vote count toward Pence/...?

The thing is its not realistically a true option at all at this point because its simply too late in the election process.

In such a hypothetical situation, any early votes for Trump definitely would not count for a Pence slate of electors after the candidate on the top of the ballot is changed. However because of all the issues of disenfranchised voters, (including ballots in the mail which would have the wrong candidates even if changed right now and still get filled in and mailed back in various cases) very few states (if any) would be able to possibly change who is appearing on the top of the ballot without a judge (and higher courts) blocking the move at this late a date.

What would be the realistic option at this point would be for Trump to state he is effectively dropping out and direct his electors to vote for Pence for President, but his name would remain on the ballot everywhere. On the other hand that would not deal with the issue that Trump could be lying or change his mind on this point later regarding what his electors would actually be ordered by him to do, and there also would probably be cases where people would get confused and write in Pence on the ballot which would not effectively count as a valid vote for the Republican Presidential ticket.

 

[zinfamous]

Yeah, Trump bowing out would be bad for Hillary and worse for this country, I think. Pence can rally the true-believer hard-core evangelicals that actually have doubts about Trump, and especially the conservatives that find Trump outright vile, but can get behind a guy like Pence who is pleasant on the outside despite the dark, cold core at the center of his soulless husk--you know, the perfect republican candidate!

 

[IronWing]

I can't see Trump dropping out. He is a winner and dropping out is for losers.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Yeah, Trump bowing out would be bad for Hillary and worse for this country, I think. Pence can rally the true-believer hard-core evangelicals that actually have doubts about Trump, and especially the conservatives that find Trump outright vile, but can get behind a guy like Pence who is pleasant on the outside despite the dark, cold core at the center of his soulless husk--you know, the perfect republican candidate!

Nah shit would fall apart all the Trump guys wouldn't show and there simply aren't enough evangelicals to elect Pence

 

[Jhhnn]

Meh Trumps not bowing out in failure. This is more of a crisis management thing to keep the Senate

I suspect you're right. They're just trying to stay out of the way of the train wreck. Some of 'em likely won't be able to run fast enough.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Early voting has begun and they can't yank him for being a shitty candidate. They need to figure out a way to not nominate a train wreck next time.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

he can't bankrupt his way outta this, can he?

 

[Vic]

Nah shit would fall apart all the Trump guys wouldn't show and there simply aren't enough evangelicals to elect Pence

This has been the biggest problem for the GOP all year. They have a plurality but not a majority.

 

[Vic]

I can't see Trump dropping out. He is a winner and dropping out is for losers.

No way is Trump going to drop out. This talk is just fodder to convince the evangelicals that they're not voting for the antichrist even when they know that they are.

 

[Jhhnn]

Early voting has begun and they can't yank him for being a shitty candidate. They need to figure out a way to not nominate a train wreck next time.

They'll have to find a way to deliver to their base. Trickle down ain't it but it's all they've got. They could have pivoted away in the wake of the 2008 election but they doubled down instead.

 

[MongGrel]

Pence is Dan Quail 2.0.

I'd find it very amusing if Trump bowed out, but I do not see that happening.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/paul-ryan-sickened-trump-sexist-rants-article-1.2822123

 

[MongGrel]

Early voting has begun and they can't yank him for being a shitty candidate. They need to figure out a way to not nominate a train wreck next time.

Recieved my ballot in the mail today.

Is a little late for changing things at this point, unless they are screwing with the voting system on an unheard of scale.

 

[Ichinisan]

When Tump was nominated, I declared it a disaster for the Republican Party and conservatism in general.

My mother. She wouldn't listen.

It's an absolute f-cking disaster.

 

[UNCjigga]

I can't see Trump dropping out. He is a winner and dropping out is for losers.

I'm sure his people could find a way to spin this as a win for him--especially if it's Republicans who benefit and not Hillary.

 

[theeedude]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...blicans-to-boot-donald-trump-from-the-ballot/

The only other possibility is that the Republicans attempt an extremely unusual legal approach, as noted in August by ThinkProgress. The president is elected not by us, but by the members of the electoral college. In many states the electors' votes are legally bound to the popular vote in one way or another, but in some states they're not.

Let's say, then, that the voters in Georgia cast their ballots for Trump with the understanding that the electors would then cast a ballot for Republican X. It would be hard for X to hit the necessary 270 electoral votes in that way, since in some states the results would still be bound to Trump. Unless, ThinkProgress' Ian Millhiser notes, the party challenged the constitutionality of rules binding electors. So that plan, then: the GOP convinces people to vote for Trump with the understanding that electors would vote for someone else -- illegally in some places -- and the Supreme Court would then approve the plan. Seems unlikely.

I am sure Scalia SCOTUS would have bent the rules for GOP like they did for Bush, but God had other plans.

 

[UNCjigga]

So it's highly unlikely that Republicans can do anything about Trump, and almost equally unlikely that Trump would bow out on his own. But what's to stop Pence from jumping ship--especially if he wants to salvage any possibility of running on the national stage in the future? If Pence were to drop out (on the heels of a winning debate performance) would he really by labeled a traitor by the GOP, or would he be praised by conservatives and evangelicals? The even bigger question--who would replace him?

 

[sportage]

Whoa people.....
Those whispering about a Trump succession are mainly from the NEVER TRUMP camp. So the NEVER TRUMP camp has ALWAYS hoped Trump would drop out.
Nothing new there...

But there are better clues to look for beyond listening to the nonsense from the NEVER TRUMP camp.
#1. Paul Ryan.
Ryan will campaign side by side with Donald on Saturday 10/8.
If Ryan bails out, cancels, or if Trump cancels, then you definitely know something is going on.

#2. The Sunday debate.
If it is announced that Trump will not debate on Sunday, that would be the nail in the Trump coffin.
If Ryan cancels Saturday, then it is announced on Saturday or Sunday that Trump will not be at the Sunday debate, you can bet it is all over for Donald Trump.
Even if Trump does not drop out, canceling out on a debate is certanilly bad enough.

But hey.... worst things have been thought about Donald before, and that never stopped Trump from winning the republican nomination.
So, I would suggest that fellow democrats hold off on that happy dance for awhile.
I suspect Trump will debate, and finish the election process with losing badly to Hillary Clinton come election day.

Frankly, of all the scandals and stuff that has happened so far, I personally don't think this latest "scandal on a bus" should stop Trump or matter to his supporters.
I think most all men talk this way when the old battle axe is out of sight.
Especially American men.
And remember, Donald Trump is an old fart egomaniac bald guy with a bad combover.
Trump is not fooling anyone.
I am amazed by his energy and stamina for the old guy that Donald is.
Trump campaigns three times as hard as Hillary. And Trump has the energy of someone half his age. Trump acts like a guy in his 40's, not in his 70's.
Hillary.... It is obvious she has a harder time physically keeping up, and Hillary definitely shows her age as a senior citizen and as a grandmother.
Hillary walks like a senior citizen and acts like a senior citizen. The stress and lack of energy shows in her face.

So if Trump is oversexed and likes to talk sex trash with the guys, that is probably how and why Donald stays so young at heart.
And as with most old guys reliving their younger glory days, I would suspect this Trump talk from Donald is 90% bullshet wishful thinking from one old guy to another, and maybe 10% fact.
Did you see that actress greeting Trump off the bus?
Trump was all hot to trot and thinking this young actress would fall all over him.
But when Trump tried to kiss her, she looked like YECK!!!! GET AWAY!

Trump looked excited but she look like she just wanted to get on with the profession side of the whole thing.
Just do the damn soap opera appearance Donald, and be done with it.
She didn't even want to hug or get that close to Donald until it was the other guy, Mr Bush, that egged the actress on saying to her, "aren't you even going to give Donald a hug?"
So obviously, this was all one sided.
She was not impressed with Donald Trump and certainly did not want Donald slobbering all over her.
She does not need an old fart even some rich old fart with his own airplane.
Besides..... she probably had some 20 year old hot stud with a nine inch boner just waiting for her back in the dressing room.
She didn't need old fart Donald Trump.

Bottom line, this was all guy talk, what happened on that bus.
And we do have this thing in America known as freedom of speech, especially for an old rich fart trying to impress other horny guys during a bus ride.
An old fart boasting of fantasy is all this boils down to.

I have many reasons to dislike and abhor Donald Trump, but secretly recording guy talk between THE GUYS is not reason to toss Trump off the bus as it were....

 

[Aegeon]

But there are better clues to look for beyond listening to the nonsense from the NEVER TRUMP camp.
#1. Paul Ryan.
Ryan will campaign side by side with Donald on Saturday 10/8.
If Ryan bails out, cancels, or if Trump cancels, then you definitely know something is going on.

Uh, this has already happened with Trump being dis-invited to the joint event in question by Ryan.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/...ls-campaign-forces-him-out-wi-event/91758502/

Having said this, its still flat out too late to actually replace Trump on the ballot for the reasons I listed previously in this thread. (Not to mention the issue of Trump actually agreeing to drop out on top of this. Even the Trump publicly directs his electors to vote for Pence idea would have all a number of potential issues.)

 

[zinfamous]

Maybe they were just meeting to discuss the new Trump diorama exhibit, soon to be displayed at the new Ark museum?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Uh, this has already happened with Trump being dis-invited to the joint event in question by Ryan.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/...ls-campaign-forces-him-out-wi-event/91758502/

Having said this, its still flat out too late to actually replace Trump on the ballot for the reasons I listed previously in this thread. (Not to mention the issue of Trump actually agreeing to drop out on top of this. Even the Trump publicly directs his electors to vote for Pence idea would have all a number of potential issues.)

EC votes for Trump could be used towards another should he not be running. The vote would be split between him and whomever replaces him making it very hard to get enough EC votes in winner take all states obviously.