Is Trump a Russian Covert Agent?

[Muse]

Obama a passive president? Dig this, he got the ACA enacted. No other president in history has come close to doing that, although Clinton tried... and failed, despite Hillary's work towards it. He will be remembered for that, that he did something monumental for the American people at large. Trump is a rump, it will all be clear one day, but it may be 30 years before it's pretty universally realized. Then people will be glad that they can put him out of their minds with other distractions.

 

[nickqt]

haha Trump's rolling back regulations by the truckload! Libs like control and authority... Conservatives like govt out of the way defend us and give us some basic services.

Authoritarian.... ok

Yes, we should totally remove the government of the people, by the people, for the people, right the fuck out of the way. That way, the richest people in the solar system, and the corporations they own and operate, can do whatever they want.

Because freedom!

You're hilarious.

Keep on keepin' on, useful idiot.

 

[Victorian Gray]

I am honestly amazed that trump supporters cannot see the truth:

1. Trump wants a country that isn't even in the top ten economies in the world admitted into the G8.
2. Russia invaded a neighboring country and started a civil war there but apparently that is OK because trump is fine with that.
3. Not to mention Georgia which was essentially a practice run for the Ukraine.
4. Trump supports a country that is actively opposed to NATO in Syria.
5. Trump supports a country that carries out nerve gas attacks on the soil of close long standing allies.
6. Trump makes up bullshit and claims kudos for an obama negotiated policy in regards to trumps attempts to disrupt NATO.
7. Trump disrupts world trade and causes a trade war with china despite legal avenues being available via the world trade organisation. To resolve the trade disputes.

You cannot see the problem there?

You forgot the most important point: "Lock her up!"

 

[Younigue]

Yes, we should totally remove the government of the people, by the people, for the people, right the fuck out of the way. That way, the richest people in the solar system, and the corporations they own and operate, can do whatever they want.

Because freedom!

You're hilarious.

Keep on keepin' on, useful idiot.

Isn't it interesting how hilarious and mentally ill have become interchangeable in regard to the cultists and how partisan and corrupt or traitorous have come to mean the same thing in regard to the GOP?

 

[mikeymikec]

I don't think Trump is a Russian agent. Can anyone imagine any country's intelligence agency employing someone with his utter lack of skills, least of which being his people skills?

I think he's a sycophant to anyone he perceives as being worth sucking up to, whether they have something he wants, or whether he aspires to be like them. If he had any self-respect, he'd go for a more subtle approach.

 

[TheVrolok]

Obama was a passive president. An apologist. Didn't want to cause waves. Appeasing and basically voting "present" and just rather vanilla. Trump is none of those things. I'd have a Beer with Obama and don't think he is a bad guy. At least he didn't cheat on his wife. But Trump's strong arming of Kim Jun Un got him to the table.
Who broke up the USSR? I think it was a conservative? I like that Trump is assertive. He does need to dial it back almost daily but I see his end game. It's to get a Better Deal for America.

G8 The Group of Eight (G8) refers to the group of eight highly industrialized nations—France, Germany, Italy, the United Kingdom, Japan, the United States, Canada, and Russia—that hold an annual meeting to foster consensus on global issues like economic growth and crisis management, global security, energy, and terrorism.

It's not just for economic reasons.

Did you know that none of this is true? Or do you just believe what you're told by Fox News?

If we're talking about Obama being passive, what do you think of Obama's record on use of military force worldwide? Passive?

(just in case you're wondering, Obama was pretty damned aggressive - significantly increased use of special operations, basically his own war in Libya, a drone program that killed I think 2 US citizens? Yeaaa.. If he's passive, what's Trump? Impotent? Oh wait, because trump opens his idiotic mouth and rants he's powerful? lol... )

 

[fskimospy]

Obama was a passive president. An apologist. Didn't want to cause waves. Appeasing and basically voting "present" and just rather vanilla. Trump is none of those things. I'd have a Beer with Obama and don't think he is a bad guy. At least he didn't cheat on his wife. But Trump's strong arming of Kim Jun Un got him to the table.
Who broke up the USSR? I think it was a conservative? I like that Trump is assertive. He does need to dial it back almost daily but I see his end game. It's to get a Better Deal for America.

G8 The Group of Eight (G8) refers to the group of eight highly industrialized nations—France, Germany, Italy, the United Kingdom, Japan, the United States, Canada, and Russia—that hold an annual meeting to foster consensus on global issues like economic growth and crisis management, global security, energy, and terrorism.

It's not just for economic reasons.

Trump and Kim’s meeting happened because Trump capitulated to Kim’s longstanding demands for a summit, not the other way around.

It’s frankly amazing how conservatives have attempted to paint Trump giving in on that point as ‘getting Kim to the table’.

 

[Thebobo]

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But Trump's strong arming of Kim Jun Un got him to the table.

Who broke up the USSR? I think it was a conservative? ...........

1. To the table lol so what, what did that accomplish? ex basketball stars have done better.

2. Mikhail Gorbachev's perestroika is what brought the wall down and changes to the Soviet Union.

3. Who brought peace between Israel and Egypt oh a Democrat.

4. Who brought peace to kosovo oh another Democrat.

5. Who had the balls to end WWII oh another Democrat.

Ok that one doesn't count just showing how stupid your little game is.

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[HomerJS]

I do know the Russians have put operatives in high positions of access. Anyone remember Anna Chapman? She had access to someone in Bush's cabinet.

I don't know if Trump is a Russian agent but if the Russians were successful in placing an agent in the position of President they would act just like Trump.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Aren't Trump's last two wives eastern European?

Agreed, nothing covert about Trump's love for Russia.

First & third, second wife American

 

[zinfamous]

No, he's too stupid for that.

Russian intelligence considers him a "useful idiot," though. That is his actual designation, in fact. Well, the historical term for that is "Retarded agent." So, yeah, Russian Intelligence officially considers him an agent, but Trump is one of those that doesn't know that he is one.

 

[zinfamous]

Who broke up the USSR? I think it was a conservative? I like that Trump is assertive. He does need to dial it back almost daily but I see his end game. It's to get a Better Deal for America.

The USSR broke up the USSR. It was done internally by the legions of occupied and oppressed citizens throughout occupied eastern and northern Europe. That, on the back of decades of US sanctions, passed in a cohesive, concerted, non-partisan manner.

An old, dementia-ridden actor speaking some words did not break up the USSR. This is a conservative myth, invented only in the decades after Reagan in a GOP attempt to wash themselves of the fact that their "great" president sold weapons to US enemies, traded american lives for electoral votes, and enacted an internal policy of directed genocide at a specific minority population by intentionally strangling the CDC in the first decade of the AIDs crisis, because he evangelical supporters wanted AIDs to "cure" the US of the "gay disease."

 

[zinfamous]

Trump and Kim’s meeting happened because Trump capitulated to Kim’s longstanding demands for a summit, not the other way around.

It’s frankly amazing how conservatives have attempted to paint Trump giving in on that point as ‘getting Kim to the table’.

North Korea demands, for decades, to meet with POTUS.

Every POTUS refuses.

Trump agrees, because he's a fugging moron. Suddenly, Trump is the ONLY ONE! that could ever make that happen. Oh, and nothing actually happened at the meeting. The myth of "The One Man" that can solve all your problems seems to have long been the only real hero of the GOP, which also likes to pride itself on "personal responsibility." Amazing, that.

 

[Thebobo]

The USSR broke up the USSR. It was done internally by the legions of occupied and oppressed citizens throughout occupied eastern and northern Europe. That, on the back of decades of US sanctions, passed in a cohesive, concerted, non-partisan manner.

An old, dementia-ridden actor speaking some words did not break up the USSR. This is a conservative myth, invented only in the decades after Reagan in a GOP attempt to wash themselves of the fact that their "great" president sold weapons to US enemies, traded american lives for electoral votes, and enacted an internal policy of directed genocide at a specific minority population by intentionally strangling the CDC in the first decade of the AIDs crisis, because he evangelical supporters wanted AIDs to "cure" the US of the "gay disease."

Yep and as I said earlier I think a lot of credit should go to Gorbachev. Remember how popular Gorbachev's was when he came over here and got out of the limo in DC and started shaking hands. SS was all in a panic, it was pretty cool. Found an old AP clip of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIVR8ZuSMcQ

Wow watching that what a difference between even this trump and this russian.

 

[blackangst1]

In the same way Obama was a covert Muslim.

 

[HomerJS]

Obama was a passive president. An apologist. Didn't want to cause waves. Appeasing and basically voting "present" and just rather vanilla. Trump is none of those things. I'd have a Beer with Obama and don't think he is a bad guy. At least he didn't cheat on his wife. But Trump's strong arming of Kim Jun Un got him to the table.
Who broke up the USSR? I think it was a conservative? I like that Trump is assertive. He does need to dial it back almost daily but I see his end game. It's to get a Better Deal for America.

G8 The Group of Eight (G8) refers to the group of eight highly industrialized nations—France, Germany, Italy, the United Kingdom, Japan, the United States, Canada, and Russia—that hold an annual meeting to foster consensus on global issues like economic growth and crisis management, global security, energy, and terrorism.

It's not just for economic reasons.

Trump is an apologist for Putin. You know why Russia was kicked out of the G8?. If Trump is such a great negotiator how about Russia leave Crimea and then we can let him back in.

Trump did not strong arm Kim. He yelled, screamed and name called. Kim got what he wanted, a one-on one with Trump and worldwide prestige. Kim gave up nothing and continued developing his nuclear program.

Now Kim is not going to give up his nukes. Trump just wanted a photo-op so he can make claims he ended the "nuclear threat" He left it to Pompeo to clean up the mess.

This is your great negotiator??

BTW - Do you believe Trump the the nuclear threat from NK is over?

 

[hal2kilo]

You might balk at the title but let's think about this. In 2014 Russia invaded Crimea. They also armed and trained insurgents in Donetsk a Russian speaking region of Ukraine.

This kicked off a civil war. Where the Ukrainian army had to fight against these Russian backed separatists. It has also been well documented that both Russian regular and spetznaz forces were deployed to fight the Ukrainian military.

These regular forces included Russian anti-aircraft units which subsequently shot down a civilian airliner. Killing over 200 people. As a result Russia was booted from the G8 and sanctions were levied against them.

Not to mention their actions in Syria where they are backing Assad's forces against the rebels. Who are backed by NATO.

Fast forward to 2018 and we have the president of the US saying that Russia should be admitted back into the G8. Despite them having an economy smaller than Brazil's. The Donald is also implying that the Russian annexation of Crimea is fine.

The Donald has been doing his best to disrupt international trade and NATO. These are exactly the things that his master Vlad "The Impaler" Putin would want from a US president that he has under full control.

Another thing I find odd is that the Iran nuclear deal was in fact very stringent and involved such caveats as Iran giving up their suppliers. Which they did. The north koreans have not agreed to anything and have been taking steps to hide parts of their nuclear program.

It's a very bad deal and we should negotiate a better one.

The art of the deal reality TV show starring donald "mutha fucking" trump. Coming soon.

Just a useful idiot.

 

[Muse]

I don't think Trump is a Russian agent. Can anyone imagine any country's intelligence agency employing someone with his utter lack of skills, least of which being his people skills?

I think he's a sycophant to anyone he perceives as being worth sucking up to, whether they have something he wants, or whether he aspires to be like them. If he had any self-respect, he'd go for a more subtle approach.

He's pretty much lost that game and it's far beyond repair. Certainly since he threw his hat into the ring.

Here's some really good audio material, patched together Trump audio in a cool musical workup, free download/listen from Polarity/1. I dig this.

There are other sites that let you download/listen to this, this one makes you register, which I just did.

 

[Muse]

The Trump/Kim meeting was a sham from the getgo, the moment they started talking about it / planning it. It was totally obvious to me that Kim had no intention of giving up NK's nuclear capabilities. It was all a photo op from start to finish.

Abe Lincoln: "You can fool all the people some of the time, some of the people all the time, but not all of the people all of the time.

Did I get that right? I hope enough of the US populace wake up in sufficient time to derail Trump's bid for reelection... for the sake of everybody.

 

[Muse]

North Korea demands, for decades, to meet with POTUS.

Every POTUS refuses.

Trump agrees, because he's a fugging moron. Suddenly, Trump is the ONLY ONE! that could ever make that happen. Oh, and nothing actually happened at the meeting. The myth of "The One Man" that can solve all your problems seems to have long been the only real hero of the GOP, which also likes to pride itself on "personal responsibility." Amazing, that.

The GOP has made a faux art out of hypocrisy.

 

[GoPackGo]

haha Trump's rolling back regulations by the truckload! Libs like control and authority... Conservatives like govt out of the way defend us and give us some basic services.

Authoritarian.... ok

If corporations could be trusted regulations wouldn't be necessary.

Are you fine with polluted air and water?
Are you fine when workers are killed on the job due to negligence to safety?
Are you fine with corporations colluding to keep prices artificially high?
Are you fine with little children being locked in cages or working in a coal mine or sweatshop?

I could site dozens upon dozens of examples... the sad fact is the everyday American needs protections against the super wealthy.

Again, if corporations could be trusted regulations wouldn't be necessary.

 

[trenchfoot]

If corporations could be trusted regulations wouldn't be necessary.

Are you fine with polluted air and water?
Are you fine when workers are killed on the job due to negligence to safety?
Are you fine with corporations colluding to keep prices artificially high?
Are you fine with little children being locked in cages or working in a coal mine or sweatshop?

I could site dozens upon dozens of examples... the sad fact is the everyday American needs protections against the super wealthy.

Again, if corporations could be trusted regulations wouldn't be necessary.

Allow me to throw in with another 'lil factoid: If corporations could be trusted there would be no need for unions. For the fact that many corporations are vehemently anti-union is all one needs to know about how they have had a lot of success with getting rid of THE main obstacle toward driving wages and benefits back to the days when running sweat shops and exploiting child labor was just a normal way of doing business. Big Corp wants those days back and they're trying their best to make it happen.

 

[umbrella39]

Seems like you're trying to appeal to Greenman's better nature? Has it occurred to you he doesn't have one?

You simply can't fix stupid...

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Trump is not a covert agent as much as an asset. Usually a covert agent is intelligent. In this case Trump is a convenient idiot. A small quibble, granted

 

[Muse]

Trump is not a covert agent as much as an asset. Usually a covert agent is intelligent. In this case Trump is a convenient idiot. A small quibble, granted

Good point and QFT. TBH, I can't remember hearing or seeing anything that indicated to me that Trump is intelligent or that he has a conscience.