Yep. A quick check of pricewatch confirms the widespread availability at different retailers of different AIB models. Competition is probably the main driving force behind the price drops but lack of demand at $600 has to be a factor as well. But it's certainly not the main factor - the PE was sold out everywhere at $550 due to poor supply - there was certainly no lack of demand for a $550 card.
Yep. A quick check of pricewatch confirms the widespread availability at different retailers of different AIB models. Competition is probably the main driving force behind the price drops but lack of demand at $600 has to be a factor as well. But it's certainly not the main factor - the PE was sold out everywhere at $550 due to poor supply - there was certainly no lack of demand for a $550 card.
Didn't you hear? Nvidia and ATi are going to team up and defeat the EVIL, I repeat, EVIL, Ronald MacDonwald. My point exactly? Does it matter what happens to who? You guys all act like you care a whole lot but in the end you buy either brand. Just be glad there are these "Graphics" cards and that you have the money to spend on these gadgets.
Hmmm. The first time I'm going to disagree with you Triniboy. We don't know what the level of demand was for the PEs at $550 because there were never enough PEs at first.
They may have always been selling out for $550, but there weren't many to sell.
You're right -it's not easy to determine how attractive the PE was at $550 given its supply issues. But what I'm saying is that it's probably those supply issues that kept the price up there - any retailer with PE's in stock were free to gouge away - it's not the case today with the GTX.
Supply and demand are inextricably linked so it's a tricky discussion. But there is a point where you saturate market demand and allow retail competition to ensue. Whether you want to spin this as great execution on Nvidia's part by shipping in volume or lack of demand for the product is a matter of preference. You either get the perception of lower demand due to oversupply or the perception of high-demand due to supply shortages. Judging from past releases, the former situation is much more beneficial to the IHVs and consumers alike.
Wrong, the R600 is the 1st unified shader GPU from ATi.
It is beyond the reasoning of anyone why they called it the R500 Xenon, it is in fact a generation in technology after the R5xx series.
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Doesn't ATI have a larger market share than nVidia?
Their hardware/drivers don't worry me...it's the possible illegal activities of their upper management that worry me.
Their hardware/drivers don't worry me...it's the possible illegal activities of their upper management that worry me.
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Let's hope that ATI (and nVidia too) doesn't go under because it would leave us with what would be a monopoly in the mid-range and high-end market. In fact, I wish that another player or two could join the fray and start producing a kick-ass line of mid-ranged and high-end cards.
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While we're discussing rumors......
From what I've read about the Ati r580 it's a 90nm part that's designed by another team than the r520. So does this mean new technology SM4.0, unified shaders (from what the rumors says it's going to be r600 though), WGF 1.0, 2.0? or will it just be adding speed.
My guess would be SM4.0 + extra speed. And with rumors saying that they have the r580 up and running does anyone have any input on likely release Q1'06, Q2?
Now rumors talk about a 90nm G70 although that could just be the PS3 chip. On the other hand there's the G80, but wouldn't that most likely be made to compete with r600? or will the 90nm G70 be revamped with SM4.0?
so we have:
G70 vs r520
G70 90nm? or G80 vs r580
G80 vs r600?
does that sound plausible? and does anyone have any comments about release time of these cards.
From what I've read about the Ati r580 it's a 90nm part that's designed by another team than the r520. So does this mean new technology SM4.0, unified shaders (from what the rumors says it's going to be r600 though), WGF 1.0, 2.0? or will it just be adding speed.
My guess would be SM4.0 + extra speed. And with rumors saying that they have the r580 up and running does anyone have any input on likely release Q1'06, Q2?
Now rumors talk about a 90nm G70 although that could just be the PS3 chip. On the other hand there's the G80, but wouldn't that most likely be made to compete with r600? or will the 90nm G70 be revamped with SM4.0?
so we have:
G70 vs r520
G70 90nm? or G80 vs r580
G80 vs r600?
does that sound plausible? and does anyone have any comments about release time of these cards.
R580 is the refresh of R520.
R600 is the new architecture, that will be a unified shader GPU (like R500 Xenon).
The PS3 chip is Unified as well, which will be a lot like G80.
See, that's what I figured. I don't know why everyone seems convinced that it's a 7800GTX in the PS3. Looking at screenshots, the PS3 does appear to have slightly better graphics than the Xbox IMO. That said, I have read comments by industry insiders stating that the Xbox GPU is marginally more powerful than that of the PS3. I wonder if it would be possible to benchmark a console; that would be cool.
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The PlayStation 3?s RSX GPU shares the same ?parent architecture? as the G70 (GeForce 7800 GTX), much in the same way that the GeForce 6600GT shares the same parent architecture as the GeForce 6800 Ultra. Sony isn?t ready to unveil exactly what is different between the RSX and the G70, but based on what?s been introduced already, as well as our conversations with NVIDIA, we can gather a few items.
from here: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2453&p=9
I'm a bit disappointed as I was under the impression that the G70 was unified shader architecture.
That does not seem right to me... I know they work ahead, but 5 generations ahead? No way... No one can predict where things will be in 4-5 years... If I was a betting man, I would say they only have the design one generation in advance... Anymore more than that would be a paper design, which doesn't mean much when untested.
are you turtle OP?
honestly, why are there threads like " OMG WTF BBQ, ATI/NVIDIA is going down!!!"
honestly, why are there threads like " OMG WTF BBQ, ATI/NVIDIA is going down!!!"
Although mildly funny, that isn't her... I will know when he/she comes back. Many of us will know...
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The end of ATI!!!?!!1
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I actually have never owned an ATi card (FX 5200 128, 6600 GT 128, 7800 GTX)
Partly because of drivers, I havent wanted to mess with ATi's often buggy drivers. But they have good cards most of the time.
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I actually have never owned an ATi card (FX 5200 128, 6600 GT 128, 7800 GTX)
Partly because of drivers, I havent wanted to mess with ATi's often buggy drivers. But they have good cards most of the time.
This is why Video is becoming an intellectual wasteland of late, and good people are jumping out of the cesspool.
Punks like Cookie Monster start threads making outrageous and instigating claims like:
Then they try to play it off by playing devil's advocate by "hoping" that both companies stay in business.
^ Then in your response you talk about how ATI has a lot of ground to gain in the mid range especially, then the high end and very soon the low end. For those keeping track, that's all the lucrative markets (and a lie, Intel owns the IGP market, ATI owns the low end market, and ATI actually has a larger % of the mid range then Nvidia, while NV dominates the high end right now).
You're not fooling anyone, Cookie Monster, and personally, I hope the mods give you a vacation.
Before you even jump in here Rollo, Kevin, Fido, Rover & Spot, I'm not pissed at CM et al. because of their opinion, I'm pissed because their posts are nothing more than flame bait (sound familiar?) and make Video an unfriendly place to be. Especially if you don't agree with the opinion du jour: "NVIDIA is teh roxors" .
Enjoy it clowns.
Punks like Cookie Monster start threads making outrageous and instigating claims like:
Then they try to play it off by playing devil's advocate by "hoping" that both companies stay in business.
^ Then in your response you talk about how ATI has a lot of ground to gain in the mid range especially, then the high end and very soon the low end. For those keeping track, that's all the lucrative markets (and a lie, Intel owns the IGP market, ATI owns the low end market, and ATI actually has a larger % of the mid range then Nvidia, while NV dominates the high end right now).
You're not fooling anyone, Cookie Monster, and personally, I hope the mods give you a vacation.
Before you even jump in here Rollo, Kevin, Fido, Rover & Spot, I'm not pissed at CM et al. because of their opinion, I'm pissed because their posts are nothing more than flame bait (sound familiar?) and make Video an unfriendly place to be. Especially if you don't agree with the opinion du jour: "NVIDIA is teh roxors" .
Enjoy it clowns
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