Is this the end to ATi?!?!

[Cookie Monster]

I have no idea what going on. G80 ALREADY!?!!!

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NVIDIA's Chief Architect David Kirk has said in the recent interview that they will do a unified architecture in hardware when it makes sense and when it is possible to make the hardware work faster unified. It will be easier to build in the future, but for the meantime, there's plenty of mileage left in this G70 architecture.
VR-Zone came to know that the future is actually pretty near where NVIDIA G80 design is based on unified shader architecture slated to appear in 2006. ATI has already taken the unified approach for their R500 Xenon within the XBox 360 and has 48 unified pipelines. As we know, in an unified shader architecture, there are no dedicated vertex and pixel shader engines but unified shader engine capable of executing both types of instructions.

G70 already supports Longhorn WGF 1.0 API so most likely G80 will support WGF 2.0 with improved virtualization techniques and new pipeline stages. The likely process technology choice for G80 is 90nm and the architecture is made for high core speed (~1GHz). G80 design is completed and waiting for ATI R580 when the time comes.


1GHZ...... :Q

Ok.. im really impressived. Why
-Nvidia once again impressed us with no more paper launching.
-Multi threaded Drivers (8X.XX) hidden up their sleeves for quite a performence boost using dual core.
-Sli2 also up their sleeve.
-Quake4, JK4, Wolfenstein, Prey and Quake Wars all based on doom3 engine will run better on Nvidia hardware, earning themselve huge reputations if the games are popular.
-Already established reputation as the best chipset makers.. nforce4!!!
-PS3 and its SDK for unreal3 engine.
-The ultra version waiting for the R520.

... These are some of the major points WHY most people tend toward Nvidia. They are juat so well organised!!! After the FX days, they mustve learned a huge lesson from it..

Anyone else impressed?

And by the way this article regarind the R520.

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ATI... what is going on?

 

[Drayvn]

R600?

Ready and waiting pretty much in the Xbox360 already...

 

[Rock Hydra]

Is this the end to ATi?!?!

No.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Rock Hydra

Is this the end to ATi?!?!

No.

QFT- ATI isn't going anywhere. They were second in the high performance market a lot more years than they were first, they're still around.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Drayvn
R600?

Ready and waiting pretty much in the Xbox360 already...

Waiting for what?
Let's see ya go out and purchase one. And, I can't stand how the consoles are meshing in with our PC conversations. Consoles are consoles. Should have there own forum.
And that's where they should stay. I know, the forum says video.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Its called the R500 by the way.
And anyhow, its manufactured by Microsoft (at TSMC of course), only designed by ATi.

 

[Insomniak]

Why do all those morons out there think the sun rises and sets on high end cards?

Newsflash: High end GPU accelerators account for maybe...MAYBE, 5% of ATi/Nvidia's sales. Maybe. It's probably less. Low end (GF4MX, FX5200, Radeon 9200, X300) are where the money is at. You can be successful in computer graphics without making any fast accelerators at all. Intel anyone?

Anyway, yes, Nvidia is pumping on all cylinders right now compared to ATi. They're a very aggressive company that do not rest on their laurels (coughR300cough), so I'm not at all surprised they hit back at ATi this hard.

 

[reever]

Yeah, when is WGF out? The Xbox GPU is already unified, and there is no ultra version.

 

[mwmorph]

yuo people dont realize that the companies work on cards well in advance? I read somewhere that ATI works 5 generations ahead and NV 5 or 6. Of course NV will talk about NV80, but dont worry ATI has a R600 in the works for a long while too, ATI is just going to keep it as secrect since the general attitude at ati is dont ask dont tell, both companies are planning as high up as R1000 and G120(or whatever they will be called).

 

[Cookie Monster]

Originally posted by: Insomniak
Why do all those morons out there think the sun rises and sets on high end cards?

Newsflash: High end GPU accelerators account for maybe...MAYBE, 5% of ATi/Nvidia's sales. Maybe. It's probably less. Low end (GF4MX, FX5200, Radeon 9200, X300) are where the money is at. You can be successful in computer graphics without making any fast accelerators at all. Intel anyone?

Anyway, yes, Nvidia is pumping on all cylinders right now compared to ATi. They're a very aggressive company that do not rest on their laurels (coughR300cough), so I'm not at all surprised they hit back at ATi this hard.

Your right. Low end is where the money is, but maybe mid range as well. The 6600GT sales boosted Nvidia by quite a margin. But both companies dont have the power to challenge the fat Intel beast at low end , because intel has more resources to produce ALOT more chips than the two companies. Nvidia and ATI are doing what AMD is doing.
By establishing themselves as the best. But their cannot be two "best" companies can there? So hence ATi vs Nvidia. Nvidia is really pushing it in all fronts. Intel extreme graphics should NOT exist. Even a 6200TC 32mb is 3~4 times better than that sh*t. Guess Dell and simliar PC distributors play a huge part in here too.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: reever
Yeah, when is WGF out? The Xbox GPU is already unified, and there is no ultra version.

WGF 1.0 is fully supported by the G70. I have no idea if ATI's next gen will support it, but it would be a wise move for them to do so seeing how longhorn/Vista incorporates it.
Maybe Nvidia did not see a need to have unified architecture this gen. Kind of like ATI didn not see a need to have a SM3.0 part with their last gen. It might have been a smart move for ATI to do this on the R500, because that will last a long time without any chance of upgrading that puppy. And yet, there may not be a need for a while. Time will tell.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: mwmorph
yuo people dont realize that the companies work on cards well in advance? I read somewhere that ATI works 5 generations ahead and NV 5 or 6. Of course NV will talk about NV80, but dont worry ATI has a R600 in the works for a long while too, ATI is just going to keep it as secrect since the general attitude at ati is dont ask dont tell, both companies are planning as high up as R1000 and G120(or whatever they will be called).

Somehow, I don't think this is the case. I can see 2, maybe 3 gens max. With so much time in advance as you say, that would mean that ATI has been working on the R5xx since the days of the Radeon Maxx. Why then is the R520 so late?

 

[Drayvn]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Drayvn
R600?

Ready and waiting pretty much in the Xbox360 already...

Waiting for what?
Let's see ya go out and purchase one. And, I can't stand how the consoles are meshing in with our PC conversations. Consoles are consoles. Should have there own forum.
And that's where they should stay. I know, the forum says video.

As in an R600 variation is working in the Xbox360...

I cant go buy one, but they are out at the devs already as a lot of press has been about explaining that.

So why cant console discussion be in here, as its basically a big video game playing device.

 

[HDTVMan]

The core that is based upon the Xbox 360 I dont beleive will be available until 1st quarter of 2006. Making the R520 pretty short lived if it holds up.

Im betting on die cache will make a pretty big performance increase. But Nvidia is no slouch.

I wonder what a die shrink of a 7800 Ultra would do?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Drayvn

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: Drayvn
R600?

Ready and waiting pretty much in the Xbox360 already...

Waiting for what?
Let's see ya go out and purchase one. And, I can't stand how the consoles are meshing in with our PC conversations. Consoles are consoles. Should have there own forum.
And that's where they should stay. I know, the forum says video.

As in an R600 variation is working in the Xbox360...

I cant go buy one, but they are out at the devs already as a lot of press has been about explaining that.

So why cant console discussion be in here, as its basically a big video game playing device.

Consoles are boring. At least when it comes to conversation. Never seen anyone bench a console. No comparing, things like that. Different breed so to speak. As I am sure they are very interesting to a lot of folks in here, they are pretty uninteresting to me.

***bolded to make sure you know that I understand that point***

 

[Drayvn]

Np mate, thats cool, to me consoles are cool and if i had the money i would buy them but i had to a choice to buy a few consoles or an uber PC.

You can guess which one i went for. PCs are far more useful and very interesting. And at first fun to build. To me that is...

 

[fstime]

Yes, this is the end.

Now we will all be forced to buy Nvidia cards for high end and they will torture us with extremly high prices,

Then, Intel Extreme Graphics and Maxtor will team up to forum the ultimite video card to defeat Nvidia.

 

[Drayvn]

And we will all burn in hell as the wars continue....

Do you think all the ATi fans will either migrate to nVidia or move onto Intel Extreme Graphics and flame how nVidia are crap at the lowest of the low end

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: Insomniak
Why do all those morons out there think the sun rises and sets on high end cards?

Newsflash: High end GPU accelerators account for maybe...MAYBE, 5% of ATi/Nvidia's sales. Maybe. It's probably less. Low end (GF4MX, FX5200, Radeon 9200, X300) are where the money is at. You can be successful in computer graphics without making any fast accelerators at all. Intel anyone?

Anyway, yes, Nvidia is pumping on all cylinders right now compared to ATi. They're a very aggressive company that do not rest on their laurels (coughR300cough), so I'm not at all surprised they hit back at ATi this hard.

QFFT. Jesus christ some of you idots need to realize this^^^^^^^.

 

[BenSkywalker]

Maybe Nvidia did not see a need to have unified architecture this gen. Kind of like ATI didn not see a need to have a SM3.0 part with their last gen.

Those two elements are totally unrelated. A unified architecture in and of itself doesn't have a clearly defined advantage over dedicated units. You have more flexiblity with a unified setup- but dedicated(as always) is faster per unit. Missing SM3.0 is missing features- unified shader hardware doesn't give you anything in terms of features at all.

 

[Acanthus]

1.once again impressed us? i can buy a G80 now?

2. No one i have seen has confirmed any substantial peroformance increase using dual core.

3. I would consider "SLI2" 2nd gen SLI, which is already on the 7800GTX.

4. Nforce 4 drivers suck compared to Intels.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

Maybe Nvidia did not see a need to have unified architecture this gen. Kind of like ATI didn not see a need to have a SM3.0 part with their last gen.

Those two elements are totally unrelated. A unified architecture in and of itself doesn't have a clearly defined advantage over dedicated units. You have more flexiblity with a unified setup- but dedicated(as always) is faster per unit. Missing SM3.0 is missing features- unified shader hardware doesn't give you anything in terms of features at all.

To be clear, I wasn't comparing unified architecture to SM3.0. I am talking about how the hardware is designed and what ATI/Nvidia thinks they should, or don't have to, include in their design plans for any given generation.

 

[Regs]

No.

 

[StrangerGuy]

Last I checked, ATI is still outselling Nvidia in total volume. Their overall situation is still better than AMD with just only 20% or so of the CPU market.

 

[trinibwoy]

Originally posted by: StrangerGuy
Last I checked, ATI is still outselling Nvidia in total volume. Their overall situation is still better than AMD with just only 20% or so of the CPU market.

Volume doesn't matter if your margins are in the toilet and their stock price reflects that. Nvidia is selling more at the high-end where margins are a lot better.