Is this the end of the Republican party?

[ivwshane]

The Republicans are backed by the religious right even though they don't really represent their interests. All these candidates do is utter some Godsmack and magically receive support from those people who swear up and down that the Republicans are God's party. Geez I musta missed that someplace in the Bible..

The question is then; does the lack of representation cause people to seek a new party or will the Republican party simply "realign"? Will that realignment result in a new party (whether it's called the Republican party or not is irrelevant) that focuses on nativism as has happened in the past when a major political party died?

 

[Mxylplyx]

In essence what I hear from your post is that you agree, the end of the Republican party is near and we are about to see the emergence of a new party?

Will that new party follow the historical pattern and be a party of nativism is what my concern is.

Depends on how you define "new party". The Republican party apparatus wont simply disappear, it will just retool it's platform to appeal to a new voter coalition that it thinks it can win with. At that point all that remains of the party are buildings and history books, right?. Now obviously this will involve pulling votes that now vote solidly democratic, and a decent share of minorities as well, so it's going to be a very difficult road ahead, and will likely take a considerable amount of time, which is not unusual in the history of our two party system when one of the parties must reinvent itself. The democrats will get fat and happy during this ensuing period of national dominance, and they will start to take their constituents' for granted and become corrupt, at which point openings will be provided for Republicans to peel away votes. This all assumes that Republicans can sideline the racists and xenophobes within their ranks and redirect their attention elsewhere, else no other constituency will likely wish to share the same tent.

 

[Jhhnn]

Trickle down economics is based on the idea that the greediest people are rightfully the ones to cut up the pie. It's what Repubs are all about. So long as they can get people to vote for them because of a variety of other issues they'll just keep running the screws down tighter on working people. They create the discontent they prey upon. Their challenge is to keep it from boiling over as with Trumpism.

The guys at the top of that don't realize that they'll have to make major political & economic concessions to get it under control.

 

[IronWing]

Since nothing has changed since the last time we had this thread in December, 2015 I'll just repost what I posted then.

The Reps are not imploding at all. They doubled down on dumb voters and win in spades. They control both houses of Congress, the Supreme Court, most governorships, and more two thirds of all state houses. Greed and mean-spirited stupidity still sell like hotcakes.

If the claim is that the US is moving toward one party, that party would be the Reps. We have a de facto single ideology state with extreme right policies dominating in both the Rep and Dem parties.

 

[Moonbeam]

Trickle down economics is based on the idea that the greediest people are rightfully the ones to cut up the pie. It's what Repubs are all about. So long as they can get people to vote for them because of a variety of other issues they'll just keep running the screws down tighter on working people. They create the discontent they prey upon. Their challenge is to keep it from boiling over as with Trumpism.

The guys at the top of that don't realize that they'll have to make major political & economic concessions to get it under control.

What about the persistent illusion that I will be the one in control of everything. Do you think I would abandon my dream of superiority to accede be a position no better than the average human scum, to see the other as no less than myself? Do you really imagine my love wasn't beaten out of me?

 

[ivwshane]

Since nothing has changed since the last time we had this thread in December, 2015 I'll just repost what I posted then.

That's an odd statement to make given what's happened in this election season. Just to recap:
The party leaders not only lost their house majority leader their speaker of the house stepped down.
The right learning supreme court is now neutral with a very good chance of leaning left and an equal chance of heavily leaning left in the next couple of years.
There is a very good chance that the repubs will be losing the senate.
With scalia gone the lower courts have been turning over local laws like crazy.
The assumed presidential nominee backed by a shit load of money got his ass kicked by a so called billionaire whose conservative bonafides is highly questionable.
The Republican nominee is poised to lose the presidential election by quite a bit and is having to defend solid red states.


So yeah, I guess you are right, nothing has changed. /S

 

[werepossum]

The Republican Party, isn't going to be in a shambles. They will still hold the House, the odds of the Democrats taking the House are negligible. They'll still have lots of governors, state houses, and literally thousands of local offices.

The Republican Party will shake Donald Trump's dust off their heels, and by 2018 Fox News will be putting a (D) after his name. There just won't be a GOP president until there is a complete party realignment.

Disagree. Once they gain enough control, the Democrats have plenty of convicted felons to re-enfranchise and illegal aliens to legalize to permanently sweep the Republican Party into a corner so that every year is a reenactment of that glorious period where they owned the House, White House, and Senate with the Pubbies unable to even slow down legislation. We're inevitably headed for a one-party system.

 

[sandorski]

Even if the Republican Party was destroyed, the problem with the Republicans would still exist. The strong Theocratic voting block and the highly propagandized with Conspiracy Theories voting block will continue being a force.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Funny I remember people asking the same question back in the 80's concerning the Democratic party

 

[Jhhnn]

Disagree. Once they gain enough control, the Democrats have plenty of convicted felons to re-enfranchise and illegal aliens to legalize to permanently sweep the Republican Party into a corner so that every year is a reenactment of that glorious period where they owned the House, White House, and Senate with the Pubbies unable to even slow down legislation. We're inevitably headed for a one-party system.

I hope that's sarcasm.

 

[Sonikku]

Disagree. Once they gain enough control, the Democrats have plenty of convicted felons to re-enfranchise and illegal aliens to legalize to permanently sweep the Republican Party into a corner so that every year is a reenactment of that glorious period where they owned the House, White House, and Senate with the Pubbies unable to even slow down legislation. We're inevitably headed for a one-party system.

We already are a one party system. Both march in lock step to fuck us and the common man for the well to do. A vote in this country is for social issues that don't impact the rich and little else.

 

[emperus]

Disagree. Once they gain enough control, the Democrats have plenty of convicted felons to re-enfranchise and illegal aliens to legalize to permanently sweep the Republican Party into a corner so that every year is a reenactment of that glorious period where they owned the House, White House, and Senate with the Pubbies unable to even slow down legislation. We're inevitably headed for a one-party system.

What is the problem with felons who have served their time regaining their right to vote? Why are republicans so fond of disenfranchising people?

 

[Jhhnn]

We already are a one party system. Both march in lock step to fuck us and the common man for the well to do. A vote in this country is for social issues that don't impact the rich and little else.

This "they're just as bad!" bullshit narrative is tedious in the extreme.

You're smarter than that.

 

[VRAMdemon]

So you think the Republican party, after realignment, will be the same old Republican party its always been? It will still be the party who champions small gov, conservative social values, and fiscal responsibility?

I just don't see how that happens, especially in the light of their base electing someone who is running on pretty much the opposite of Republican values.

No..I don't think that..The title of this thread - "is this the end of the Republican party" - I posted a reply to that...To answer the second part of your question - They may try to "champion" those value's, but haven't pulled that off in years. aside from the social issue's

 

[Starbuck1975]

The Senate race in California is an indication of where things are heading. In a fight between two Democrats, Loretta Sanchez is starting to adopt positions traditionally attributed to Republicans, painting herself as the outsider against Sacramento insider Kamala Harris.

The Tea Party and alt-right movements are the death throes of irrelevant ideologies. You will see the Democrat coalition splinter along socio-economic or geographic lines once abortion, guns, immigration and gay marriage no longer drive the news cycles.

We do need to have a conversation around immigration. We've not had sound foreign policy in decades. Wealth inequality is a real problem. The environment is a real problem. Universal health care was a noble ideal but poorly executed. I don't see either party solving any of these problems.

 

[ivwshane]

The Senate race in California is an indication of where things are heading. In a fight between two Democrats, Loretta Sanchez is starting to adopt positions traditionally attributed to Republicans, painting herself as the outsider against Sacramento insider Kamala Harris.

The Tea Party and alt-right movements are the death throes of irrelevant ideologies. You will see the Democrat coalition splinter along socio-economic or geographic lines once abortion, guns, immigration and gay marriage no longer drive the news cycles.

We do need to have a conversation around immigration. We've not had sound foreign policy in decades. Wealth inequality is a real problem. The environment is a real problem. Universal health care was a noble ideal but poorly executed. I don't see either party solving any of these problems.

But I'm sure you see one party making sure that those issues aren't even addressed right?

 

[Starbuck1975]

But I'm sure you see one party making sure that those issues aren't even addressed right?

I find both equally incapable of leading on any of the issues I mentioned

 

[ivwshane]

I find both equally incapable of leading on any of the issues I mentioned

That wasn't the question now was it?

 

[Starbuck1975]

That wasn't the question now was it?

When you find the leaders of both political parties equally incompetent, attempting to assign blame as one being worse than the other is a matter of opinion and semantics.

 

[First]

Funny I remember people asking the same question back in the 80's concerning the Democratic party

You asked if a party was going extinct in the 80's when they controlled both chambers of Congress the entire decade? That's odd.

 

[First]

On the topic, they won't go away but they'll be tethered to Trump's losing canidacy for a very, very long time. It'll haunt them for a while and cause them to lose more elections (at any level) than they otherwise would. Trump emboldens the conspiracy nutters, the ignorant, the prejudiced, etc. like never before.

 

[Jhhnn]

The Senate race in California is an indication of where things are heading. In a fight between two Democrats, Loretta Sanchez is starting to adopt positions traditionally attributed to Republicans, painting herself as the outsider against Sacramento insider Kamala Harris.

The Tea Party and alt-right movements are the death throes of irrelevant ideologies. You will see the Democrat coalition splinter along socio-economic or geographic lines once abortion, guns, immigration and gay marriage no longer drive the news cycles.

We do need to have a conversation around immigration. We've not had sound foreign policy in decades. Wealth inequality is a real problem. The environment is a real problem. Universal health care was a noble ideal but poorly executed. I don't see either party solving any of these problems.

Sanchez' desperation does not a movement make. She's being thumped.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-...z-senate-republicans-20160901-snap-story.html

Democrats don't have anywhere near the internal dissension we're seeing among Repubs no matter how you try to paint it differently. The party base is not embittered & dissatisfied with their leadership to nearly the degree of the Repubs.

Repub leaders aren't interested in solving any of the problems you mention because they don't see most of them as problems at all. Inequality? Environment? Healthcare for the plebes? They want more trickle down, fewer environmental regs & Free! Market! healthcare. More FUGM in general.

Immigration? It's becoming one of their perma-issues, like abortion. They don't want a solution, they just want something to exploit.

 

[ivwshane]

When you find the leaders of both political parties equally incompetent, attempting to assign blame as one being worse than the other is a matter of opinion and semantics.

Good thing for you its not the leaders that actually get stuff done, we have 500+ other elected officials to do it as well. Unfortunately a majority of those elected officials prefer to put their party before their country, care to guess what party most of them belong to?

Your both sides bullshit is simply a lazy persons way of trying to avoid reality.

 

[JEDIYoda]

crash and burn baby!!!!!

 

[theeedude]

I am looking forward to Reince Priebus' election postmortem next year.