Is this real? 30 year fixed mortgage rate went up 30% today!

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Genx87

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I was unable to qualify for the make home affordable act. Yes my bank actually told me to stop making payments and then call them back. No wonder our banking industry is so fucked up.
 

GoPackGo

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Originally posted by: Genx87
I was unable to qualify for the make home affordable act. Yes my bank actually told me to stop making payments and then call them back. No wonder our banking industry is so fucked up.

I looked into that and the whole program is a joke.
 

ebaycj

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Originally posted by: Genx87
I was unable to qualify for the make home affordable act. Yes my bank actually told me to stop making payments and then call them back. No wonder our banking industry is so fucked up.

What specifically made you unable to qualify? There's only 4 or 5 criteria.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Cuda1447
Uh, is this legit? I'm fucking buying a house in the next week or two and haven't locked in a rate yet, mainly due to my mortgage lady telling me to wait...

Your mortgage lady is stupid. Why would you not lock when rates are at historic lows?

Originally posted by: OCguy
Well the low-rate loans that arent locked are all approved at around 4.375%-4.875%. Now the lowest rate at my best investor is 5.375%. It is going to be hard for the Loan Officers to sell them a higher rate after they were expecting something in the 4s.

Having a "4" as the first number in your interest rate is a big mental trigger for borrowers.

Don't forget that with a jump that big, almost all of them are going to have to be re-ran AUS due to the increased debt ratios. Forgetting the mental/sales block a lot of those customers are going to have, a big chunk of your unlocked approvals probably aren't even worth the paper they're printed on even if the LO could talk them into it.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: ebaycj
Originally posted by: Genx87
I was unable to qualify for the make home affordable act. Yes my bank actually told me to stop making payments and then call them back. No wonder our banking industry is so fucked up.

What specifically made you unable to qualify? There's only 4 or 5 criteria.

Are you serious? There's a lot more than that.

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
I looked into that and the whole program is a joke.

Do tell.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Genx87
I was unable to qualify for the make home affordable act. Yes my bank actually told me to stop making payments and then call them back. No wonder our banking industry is so fucked up.

Your bank should never have told you to stop making payments. Proof of hardship is a requirement to qualify for HAMP, and faking it through intentional default is a disqualifier.
 

charrison

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: WHAMPOM
Originally posted by: Skoorb
This is my guilty pleasure, please don't deny me it, but look at this

While the stock market got hit fairly hard today apparently bond prices went down, too. This real-time chart shows a terribly huge jump in mortgage prices today. Denninger of course is saying it's time to grease the 10 gauge and barricade the doors, but how meaningful is this, really?

30% does mean a 4.5% rate is now up to 5.7% now?
It would, although 15 year fixed was 4.5 yesterday and went up only 24%, so it would be 5.6 now.

Still cheap money.
 

Aimster

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SOB..

I didn 't lock in 3 weeks ago at 4.5% because I didn't have a property in mind.. it's 5.5% today.

SOB... guess I have to do 5-year ARM that's 4%
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Aimster
SOB..

I didn 't lock in 3 weeks ago at 4.5% because I didn't have a property in mind.. it's 5.5% today.

SOB... guess I have to do 5-year ARM that's 4%

Well, that's your own fault. You can't lock without a specific property. And 5.5% is still historically low, so getting the ARM makes little sense, particularly when the long term outlook for rates is up.
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: charrison
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: WHAMPOM
Originally posted by: Skoorb
This is my guilty pleasure, please don't deny me it, but look at this

While the stock market got hit fairly hard today apparently bond prices went down, too. This real-time chart shows a terribly huge jump in mortgage prices today. Denninger of course is saying it's time to grease the 10 gauge and barricade the doors, but how meaningful is this, really?

30% does mean a 4.5% rate is now up to 5.7% now?
It would, although 15 year fixed was 4.5 yesterday and went up only 24%, so it would be 5.6 now.

Still cheap money.
But not nearly as cheap as it was a day ago.

If those numbers are right and that monthly payments on a 200k at 5% are the same as 170 at a 6.5, either potential buyers better be getting a good raise at work pretty fast or they're going to be bringing less money to the table to buy houses, which should have a fairly immediate and significant impact on lowering the price of housing even further.

Anyway, on money.cnn.com the overnight average is 5.08 for 30 year up about .08 from yesterday. Not sure how that reconciles with the data earlier in this thread...
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: ebaycj
Originally posted by: Genx87
I was unable to qualify for the make home affordable act. Yes my bank actually told me to stop making payments and then call them back. No wonder our banking industry is so fucked up.

What specifically made you unable to qualify? There's only 4 or 5 criteria.

House appraised above the 105% threshold. All I want to do is move from an ARM to fixed. Not borrow more or ask for a reduction.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Genx87
I was unable to qualify for the make home affordable act. Yes my bank actually told me to stop making payments and then call them back. No wonder our banking industry is so fucked up.

Your bank should never have told you to stop making payments. Proof of hardship is a requirement to qualify for HAMP, and faking it through intentional default is a disqualifier.

Trust me I was in complete shock a loan officer actually told me to stop making payments to his bank and then we could talk. I let him know my opinion that was the most unbelievable thing I have heard during my ordeal to get refinanced. I used more colorful words.
 

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No Lifer
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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Genx87
I was unable to qualify for the make home affordable act. Yes my bank actually told me to stop making payments and then call them back. No wonder our banking industry is so fucked up.

Your bank should never have told you to stop making payments. Proof of hardship is a requirement to qualify for HAMP, and faking it through intentional default is a disqualifier.

Trust me I was in complete shock a loan officer actually told me to stop making payments to his bank and then we could talk. I let him know my opinion that was the most unbelievable thing I have heard during my ordeal to get refinanced. I used more colorful words.
I wonder if others took his advice. I think I've read of this elsewhere, so I'm sure some have taken it and probably ended up even more screwed because now their credit is shot, too.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
I wonder if others took his advice. I think I've read of this elsewhere, so I'm sure some have taken it and probably ended up even more screwed because now their credit is shot, too.

I have heard of this but dismissed it as hyperbole. Last weekend at a bonfire we were all talking about the home situation. And a couple like my wife and I in our neighborhood was trying to get their arm turned to a fixed as well and said their bank told them to stop making payments. We all laughed at how stupid that sounds and I dismissed it in my head. But come Tues I now believe that is exactly what the bank told them to do. I have no idea why the bank would desire such a thing? Unless there is some govt program that kicks in when people stop making payments?!?!?!?!?!?!?
 

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Skoorb
I wonder if others took his advice. I think I've read of this elsewhere, so I'm sure some have taken it and probably ended up even more screwed because now their credit is shot, too.

I have heard of this but dismissed it as hyperbole. Last weekend at a bonfire we were all talking about the home situation. And a couple like my wife and I in our neighborhood was trying to get their arm turned to a fixed as well and said their bank told them to stop making payments. We all laughed at how stupid that sounds and I dismissed it in my head. But come Tues I now believe that is exactly what the bank told them to do. I have no idea why the bank would desire such a thing? Unless there is some govt program that kicks in when people stop making payments?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Link
...One agent even told me to stop making payments, which would force Countrywide to negotiate with me...
I guess they need to know repayment is threatened and then they feel motivated to work with the borrower.
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Genx87
I was unable to qualify for the make home affordable act. Yes my bank actually told me to stop making payments and then call them back. No wonder our banking industry is so fucked up.

Your bank should never have told you to stop making payments. Proof of hardship is a requirement to qualify for HAMP, and faking it through intentional default is a disqualifier.

Trust me I was in complete shock a loan officer actually told me to stop making payments to his bank and then we could talk. I let him know my opinion that was the most unbelievable thing I have heard during my ordeal to get refinanced. I used more colorful words.


He told you the stop making your payments because he is a loan-mod hack. He wasnt trying to actuallly get you a new loan, he was trying to get your loan moddified by the current lender.

Beware of those assholes.
 

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No Lifer
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A bit of a lag vs my OP, but yeah this is real. Mortgage rates are now 5.95 for 30 year up half a % in a week. If this continues, and it seems it will at least for a while, it's going to show up quite soon, as those who were unable to lock their rates can now no longer afford what they could before.
 

RyanPaulShaffer

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Obama's reckless and ridiculous record deficit spending is causing damage sooner than we expected. He will make Jimmy Carter's hyper-inflation seem like child's play.

This issue has been known and talked about for a long time...it's no surprise to those who actually listen to and pay attention to the truth and reality.

Unfortunately, sensible people aren't in power, so we will need to suffer through it until people wake up. :(
 

dphantom

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Originally posted by: OCguy
Play time is over. I feel sorry for anyone who didnt get into the 4s.

Yeah, I am one. Locked in at 5.325 but could have had 4.875 4 days earlier. :(
 

OCGuy

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Originally posted by: Aimster
BOA won't lock without a property in mind.
Anyone know of a bank that will?

A lock on a TBD property is kind of worthless, but Wells might do it. You would have to do at least a 60 day lock, assuming you can get an offer accepted that fast and a loan funded.

The retail banks are taking anywhere from 30-60 days to do loans right now. That might change now that rates are climbing and volume decreases.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: OCguy
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Genx87
I was unable to qualify for the make home affordable act. Yes my bank actually told me to stop making payments and then call them back. No wonder our banking industry is so fucked up.

Your bank should never have told you to stop making payments. Proof of hardship is a requirement to qualify for HAMP, and faking it through intentional default is a disqualifier.

Trust me I was in complete shock a loan officer actually told me to stop making payments to his bank and then we could talk. I let him know my opinion that was the most unbelievable thing I have heard during my ordeal to get refinanced. I used more colorful words.


He told you the stop making your payments because he is a loan-mod hack. He wasnt trying to actuallly get you a new loan, he was trying to get your loan moddified by the current lender.

Beware of those assholes.

But he was my current lender. He is from the same bank.
 

Cuda1447

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I was able to lock at 5.5% I feel fortunate to have that, as they are climbing near 6% now. I am actually closing tomorrow morning, I am glad as hell I am finally getting this done and over with before things get crazy (which it seems like they might).