Is this odd? "US soldiers in Iraq asked to pray for Bush"

[Shuxclams]

Originally posted by: HelloDeli

Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: InfectedMushroom

Originally posted by: etech
So what?

You don't see anything wrong with this?

Praying for the "good fuhrer" and all?

Who's the "good fuhrer", asshat? No one is being forced to pray. Private institutions donate things to the military all the tme including Bibles, pamphlets of this type, books, candy, coupons, etc. etc. The people who receive this stuff, usually someone in supply, can either throw it away or send it out for distribution. The article doesn't say but I'll bet these were in a box at the end of a chow line somewhere and I bet the number of people who took one is very, very low.

When you can produce proof that someone was "made" to pray for the President, then you'll have an issue. Until then you might want to think about shutting up because your ignorance is showing again.

oooh. did i hurt your feelings when i called your hero the "fuhrer"?
i'm so sorry.

i have a problem with these pamphlets even existing and being available to the military.

What rational reason do you have for being so fearful of them. Granted they are a waste of paper, what possible harm could come from "Praying for Bush". Im sure handing out the Quran would be fine and dandy, being as thats the only religion that gets any support from the left.

Now thats objective and well thought out.......










SHUX

 

[Shuxclams]

Originally posted by: Michael
conjur - Have you lost all capacity for rational thought? This is like the Girl Scouts sending over cookies. The Army is not ordering soldiers to pray. Some sort of Christian group is suggesting that they do so. Seems perfectly fine to me. If they're not Christian, then they probably didn't even pick-up or read the pamphlet.

Michael

Michael, I see you are still around.... how disappointing. You still living up in northern California? I wish you'd move you give the rest of us a bad name...... seriously.




Given the nature of the "weak-minded" retards (READ: Radical Fundimentalist Christians or Evangelicals if you prefer to call them that ) that go to church in between nascar races and tractor pulls ( Michael's alltime favorite) and vote "lick da paster done teld dem too" I think the same rejects would have a cow if the Liberals sent them phamplets asking them to vote... er I mean pray for Sen. Kerry in this troubled time....... Maybe they should add something like "And please ask the Lord to help Sen. John Kerry find the light of our lord and saviour Jesus Christ" That would be really helpful....



I don't really have an issue with this as much as I have an issue with the directness that Bush's name is invoked. Why not pray for everyone rather than the president....

Then again, if they don't send them over then it really doesnt let the "believers" know who to vote for either...

Look I have little issue with groups sending phamplets to the troops... I dont have a problem with praying for people... BUT THIS IS RATHER OBVIOUS








SHUX

 

[Michael]

SHUX - I am moving - to Singapore - in a few months. I'm not selling my house, so I'll probably be back in a few years.

As for the rest of your comments, screw you, you ignorant bigot. Got something against Christians? Or is it Southerners (NASCAR comment)?

It makes perfect sense to pray for the President. Even what they're being asked to say in the prayers makes sense.

It says - Please God, help the President make the right decisions. Notice that it specifically talks about God's peace. This just as easily be a wish for peace and for the President to pull out of Iraq even if it is critisized.

I'm basically agnostic, but go to Church every once and a while. Praying to God to guide our leaders is pretty common in just about all the Churchs I've been to.

If you don't believe, then what the hell do you care?

Michael

 

[Shuxclams]

What happened? You couldnt afford to bring the mail-order wife state-side?

I lived in singapore for a year and a half....... Dont mess it up would ya, I planned on going back and taking in more of the culture(s) I loved and admired.... with people like you around you'll likely just drain it of anything fun or interesting.


Ignorant Bigot? LMAO... thats a good one...


BTW chicken lips.... I pray everyday, so you cant put that crap on me... 😉











SHUX

 

[Michael]

SHUX - Mail order bride? Maybe you have me confused for someone else. I'm the immigrant. My wife's American. I'm moving because my company is being taken over and they're making me CFO of the whole thing.

Michael

 

[Shuxclams]

CFO? Congrats in order. Enjoy Singapore and best of luck.


No I am not confused... 😛












SHUX

 

[Michael]

SHUX - you must be confused (small c, not the poster that goes by that name) because the original post says the pamphlet asked them to pray for "you, your family, your staff and our troops during this time of uncertainty and tumult. May God's peace be your guide,"

And the specific days' requests do not name Bush by name.

does the thought of someone praying for the President shut your brain down. With the mess today, we probably need God's help to get out of it.

Michael

ps - thanks for the congrats on the promotion

 

[arsbanned]

decisions made by the President and company make or break my survivability

Too late for that.... He made the wrong decision by sending them over in the first place for fictitious reasons.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: mastertech01
If I were over there and the decisions made by the President and company make or break my survivability you can bet your ass Im gonna pray they make the right decisions.. IMHO.

Me too! I'd hope like hell and I'd pray. I'd petition God nightly to give me the courage to see my tour through and to look out for my sorry grunt ass. I know this beyond any certainty to a fact.

One thing I wouldn't do, though, is carefully excise that smarmy, prepackaged boilerplate homily out of that cheesy little booklet and eagerly mail it to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

Would you, mastertech01, would you really? Would that be your first reaction upon seeing that pamphlet?

I'd be more hoping that the brass on up to the CIC was praying for me, not in any pseudo pious photo op, not by shallow pamphlet proxy, but for real, down on their damn knees at bedside at night, asking for God's grace, guidance, and, yes, forgiveness.

 

[Caminetto]

I have no problem anyone praying that God guide the President to do his will, or that the will of God be done through the President. That's more than sufficient. The problem is in the implication in "Pray that the President and his advisers will be strong and courageous to do what is right regardless of critics". Seems like they have might have an agenda. Same implication as if some of the presidents critics or left leaning religious groups were to pass out pamphlets and ask the troops to pray "that the president seek peace, find love, understanding and compassion for others".

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Caminetto
I have no problem anyone praying that God guide the President to do his will, or that the will of God be done through the President. That's more than sufficient. The problem is in the implication in "Pray that the President and his advisers will be strong and courageous to do what is right regardless of critics". Seems like they have might have an agenda. Same implication as if some of the presidents critics or left leaning religious groups were to pass out pamphlets and ask the troops to pray "that the president seek peace, find love, understanding and compassion for others".

of course they have an agenda, but from what is given you can't tell what it is. could be a left leaning religious group. they might abhor war. they might want every muslim dead. they could have printed up a warehouse full of these in the 70s and sent them out every time soldiers were abroad. who knows!

 

[Caminetto]

If you Google it, you will find "In Touch Ministries" is "right" & a fundamental group.

 

[mastertech01]

I dont know much about In Touch Ministries the organization, but Reverand Charles Stanley is in my opinon a magnificent minister. I can hardly believe he would sanction any "forced" or even 700 club type radical fundamentalist brain washing. But that is just my opinion.

Perknose, I would not react spontaneously to any pamphlet as I personally dont need to be coached or reminded of my "duty" to God, country, friend, neighbor, or enemy. But I sure wouldnt get bent out of shape and immediately feel threatened or coerced if the pamphlet were dropped in front of me either. Those soldiers have very little to do in their idle moments, very little to read, or entertain them. You may not agree with the message contained in their pamphlet but at least the organization cared enough to stop and send them. Im am also certain they contained far more than what the OP only elected to inform the world that they deviously exposed those poor dear soldiers too.

 

[Zebo]

I read someplace People who pray live 13 yrs longer than people who don't.🙂

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: conjur
And just what are the Good Muslims in the armed forces supposed to do? And the good atheists or the good Buddhists?


This is SUCH a CROCK!

It shows how desperate the neocons and their supporters are getting.

well, the good muslims have plenty of mosques to goto, the good atheists can do no praying at all like normal. the good buddhists can meditate on it awhile.


or private institutions of those belief systems can send materiels pertaining to them over there and quit crying and whining about what the christians are doing.

 

[DealMonkey]

Is it just me? I don't really see a problem with this. It's not like some official gov't agency was distributing these pamphlets . . .

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Caminetto
If you Google it, you will find "In Touch Ministries" is "right" & a fundamental group.

what, because they're religious? believe it or not, there are people that firmly believe in god on the left.


hey, dave can go visit these guys, turns out they're in hotlanta

 

[TheBDB]

I find it odd that they aren't focusing on praying for the soldiers who are fighting and dying....if you believe in god certainly they need your prayers more than Bush.

 

[CQuinn]

Perknose and TheBDB beat me to it; if "In Touch" was really concerned about the outcome
of the situation in Iraq, then they are going in exactly the wrong direction for prayers.

First, they should be providing those pamplets to the President, Vice Pres, Cabinet members and both
houses of Congress, asking them to pray for our troops arbroad and within our shores; asking that
<insert deity of choice here> watch over and protect our sons and daughters to see them home safely.

Second they should be providing these pamplets to any civilians who want to use them to pass
notes of support on to those troops.

And, if they want to give the troops something to pass back to the states, I'd think they'd rather
have a chance to pass a note back to thier family and friends letting people there know they
are still alive.

Also, they should be encouraging prayer for the people of America, Iraq, and Afganistan, that we can
work together to build successful democracies and a foundation for future alliance between our nations
so that those countries can become examples of peaceful interaction and an example of how nations
work together to stem the spread of terrorism.

Originally posted by: Zebo
I read someplace People who pray live 13 yrs longer than people who don't.🙂

I know you were joking slightly with that comment. But there is some truth to it. It isn't necessarily the
prayer that helps, but the fact that people who take time to relax, reflect, meditate and think of others do
more to reduce their own levels of stress. And active management of stress helps strengthen healing
and longevity.

So even if you're not praying, I hope you all (and our troops) are finding sufficient time to de-stress
each day, for your own good.

 

[Red Dawn]

As long as the Pamphlet is 2 ply I would grab a handful.

 

[TheGameIs21]

Originally posted by: Czar
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s819685.htm

US soldiers in Iraq asked to pray for Bush
They may be the ones facing danger on the battlefield, but US soldiers in Iraq are being asked to pray for President George W Bush.

Thousands of marines have been given a pamphlet called "A Christian's Duty," a mini prayer book which includes a tear-out section to be mailed to the White House pledging the soldier who sends it in has been praying for Bush.

"I have committed to pray for you, your family, your staff and our troops during this time of uncertainty and tumult. May God's peace be your guide," says the pledge, according to a journalist embedded with coalition forces.

The pamphlet, produced by a group called In Touch Ministries, offers a daily prayer to be made for the US president, a born-again Christian who likes to invoke his God in speeches.

Sunday's is "Pray that the President and his advisers will seek God and his wisdom daily and not rely on their own understanding".

Monday's reads "Pray that the President and his advisers will be strong and courageous to do what is right regardless of critics".

I don't understand the conflict here.... As a Christian, I believe that 1 Timothy 2: 1-3 tells me to pray for my leaders. I did this with Regan, Bush Sr, Clinton and I am doing this now with Bush Jr. What is the problem with christians who read this obviously christian pamphlet are reminded to do what Christians should be doing?

Conjur: You have got to be kidding me. You think that Jewish, muslim or athiests in the military are picking up these pamphlet's called "A Christians Duty"? I don't pick up literature labeled "Why Allah is the true god" or "Mormonism and you". As a matter of fact, in 1991 I had the same pamphlet (A Christian's Duty) that told me to do the same thing. How do you spin the creator of this document sending this out during Clinton's terms saying we should do the same thing?

The pamphlet states

Sunday's is "Pray that the President and his advisers will seek God and his wisdom daily and not rely on their own understanding".

Monday's reads "Pray that the President and his advisers will be strong and courageous to do what is right regardless of critics".

What part of that says that they should pray for only President Bush? It tells them to pray for the President AND his advisers. This is what it has said since at least back in 1991. Why not pray that the President (any President) seek God and his wisdom and to do what is right? Only makes sense to me.

Caminetto:

If you Google it, you will find "In Touch Ministries" is "right" & a fundamental group.

This same document was made available in 91. So I don't know how you can try to spin this into a Pro GWB thing. It's a Pro Prayer thing and most every Christian Org is affiliated with the Republicans due to their stance on Abortion and many other religious view points.

 

[LordMagnusKain]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
As long as the Pamphlet is 2 ply I would grab a handful.

now that's an open minded view.

I find it odd that they aren't focusing on praying for the soldiers who are fighting and dying....if you believe in god certainly they need your prayers more than Bush.

i don't doubt that they pray for themselves as well, but isn't the best way to keep them alive to have them not marched into hell by the commanders?

 

[Moonbeam]

As long as we need our military for the conquest of the world in The New American Century we will not want it thinking out of the box or coming into contact with any information that would cause its members to question authority or do any analysis generally. Prayer and praying to God will help to maintain them in good cannon fodder order. And because religion was designed to prevent things like killing and conquest of the world, it is very important to subvert its message to one that supports those things. Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

Did I ever tell you about all the war and massacre that occurs in heaven. Oh yeah, it's a real mess up there. Keep up with your prayers. On earth as it is in heaven. On earth as it is in heaven. On earth as it is in heaven. Think, on earth as it is in heaven. The New American Century, on earth as it is in heaven. God has told me, the New American Century, on earth as it is in heaven.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
As long as we need our military for the conquest of the world in The New American Century we will not want it thinking out of the box or coming into contact with any information that would cause its members to question authority or do any analysis generally. Prayer and praying to God will help to maintain them in good cannon fodder order. And because religion was designed to prevent things like killing and conquest of the world, it is very important to subvert its message to one that supports those things. Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

Did I ever tell you about all the war and massacre that occurs in heaven. Oh yeah, it's a real mess up there. Keep up with your prayers. On earth as it is in heaven. On earth as it is in heaven. On earth as it is in heaven. Think, on earth as it is in heaven. The New American Century, on earth as it is in heaven. God has told me, the New American Century, on earth as it is in heaven.

Bush is actually a liberal Democract. He just makes public statements that make him sound like a Republican. Opne your mind to the true reality befor eit is too late. There are pink and blue horses flying through the clouds. They lay sticks of dynamite amidst the stars and hold them at random from the moon. Think about it...it's really deep.......really.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
As long as we need our military for the conquest of the world in The New American Century we will not want it thinking out of the box or coming into contact with any information that would cause its members to question authority or do any analysis generally. Prayer and praying to God will help to maintain them in good cannon fodder order. And because religion was designed to prevent things like killing and conquest of the world, it is very important to subvert its message to one that supports those things. Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.

Did I ever tell you about all the war and massacre that occurs in heaven. Oh yeah, it's a real mess up there. Keep up with your prayers. On earth as it is in heaven. On earth as it is in heaven. On earth as it is in heaven. Think, on earth as it is in heaven. The New American Century, on earth as it is in heaven. God has told me, the New American Century, on earth as it is in heaven.

Bush is actually a liberal Democract. He just makes public statements that make him sound like a Republican. Opne your mind to the true reality befor eit is too late. There are pink and blue horses flying through the clouds. They lay sticks of dynamite amidst the stars and hold them at random from the moon. Think about it...it's really deep.......really.

That's beautiful. Reminds me of Franz Marc