Is this good or bad?

[Nocturnal]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/patriot_act;...0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--

So if I read it correctly, some law makers are interested in changing a few things in the PA so that our freedoms remain just that, freedoms? Or is this just particular portions of the act? Anyone want to clarify?

 

[homercles337]

I just had to laugh at this quote. hyporcrisy at its finest:

"Should we take a step forward in making America safer or should we go back to the pre-9/11 days when terrorists slip through the cracks?" said Frist, R-Tenn. "A nation in fear cannot be a nation that's free."

A nation with no freedom is also not free. Typical rightwing rhetoric/talking points.

 

[arsbanned]

Especially since he and his party are the ones benefiting from the populace being afraid.
Basically the Republicans are in no mood to compromise on anything and so only what they want will go forward. Which is why it's important to vote them out at every opportunity.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I think it would be a good step forward away from U.S of Paranoidica. The fact that they made it so they can do sneak and peeks, which directly violates the 4th amendment:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

 

[CaptnKirk]

My feeling about the 'Paraniod Patriot Act' -

Kill it before it kills you.

It's garbage by an over-reaching Paranoid Administration - over reacting to cover up their cumulative failures.

 

[Ferocious]

Senate iced it.

I'm waiting for a new thread to start. Should be interesting.

 

[Helenihi]

I assume its just a bargaining position so they can force the White House to be more open to some compromises a certain parts of it. Simply undoing a gigantic chunk of the Act, without regard to whether or not individual parts are a good idea (or whether or not they're even harmful in anyway) not to mention trying to figure out how its going to screw with the parts of the Act that are left intact when many of these sections are interrelated, would be quite stupid.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: homercles337
I just had to laugh at this quote. hyporcrisy at its finest:

"Should we take a step forward in making America safer or should we go back to the pre-9/11 days when terrorists slip through the cracks?" said Frist, R-Tenn. "A nation in fear cannot be a nation that's free."

A nation with no freedom is also not free. Typical rightwing rhetoric/talking points.

I wonder if Frist has any concern about the cracks in our Southern border or uninspected cargo containers or any other concrete problem that actually impacts our safety.

 

[catnap1972]

Originally posted by: EatSpam

Originally posted by: homercles337
I just had to laugh at this quote. hyporcrisy at its finest:

"Should we take a step forward in making America safer or should we go back to the pre-9/11 days when terrorists slip through the cracks?" said Frist, R-Tenn. "A nation in fear cannot be a nation that's free."

A nation with no freedom is also not free. Typical rightwing rhetoric/talking points.

I wonder if Frist has any concern about the cracks in our Southern border or uninspected cargo containers or any other concrete problem that actually impacts our safety.

[braindead Republican]Blah--all unimportant shat. Everyone knows the terra-ists are killing us OVER THERE so they won't be killing us OVER HERE!

Now that pr0n you're hiding on your computer--THAT'S what's important to nip in the bud! :thumbsup: [/bdr]

 

[Legend]

"Any society that gives up a little freedom for a little security deserves neither and will lose both"

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

I find this comment most perplexing.

"We have more to fear from terrorism than we do from this Patriot Act," Frist warned.

In part b/c he follows up with this position.

Feingold, Craig and other critics said those efforts weren't enough, and have called for the law to be extended in its present form so they can continue to try and add more civil liberties safeguards. But Bush, Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist and House Speaker
Dennis Hastert have said they won't accept a short-term extension of the law.

Why would anyone that believes the Patriot Act is useful endorse the expiration of Patriot Act provisions over an extension to iron out civil liberty concerns?

If the Patriot Act provisions expire, Republicans say they will place the blame on Democrats in next year's midterm elections. "In the war on terror, we cannot afford to be without these vital tools for a single moment," White House press secretary Scott McClellan said.

I just don't understand how these people can say such things and still sleep at night. They lie, obfuscate, and prevaricate with maddening prolificacy . . . and then wonder why people have a low opinion of them. Granted, it's only the thinking part of the population that has a low opinion of them.

 

[OrByte]

the rhetoric from the RW is flying fast and furious.

everybody duck!

Frist is making a fool of himself. Terraganda at its finest!

 

[Cerb]

It's not surprising. A bit disturbing, but less disturbing than how they stay in office (that there are enough people that are stupid enough to keep them in).