Is this fraud?

[Erenhardt]

Due to ethics and because I care for more than my local area.

Thank you for caring about my Country!
Thanks for the highlight!

http://www.kombo.krakow.pl/index.php...BPROAMDFX10015
http://olimp.sklep.pl/produkt/228557...-am3-220w-16mb
http://kdo.pl/procesor-amd-x8-fx-959...n=porownywarki

Those are small e-tailers, and not AMD marketing. AMD advertizes it as 5ghz cpu here.

 

[Vesku]

Due to ethics and because I care for more than my local area.

Sure, but why single out these AMD processors? As has been shown this happens with lots of products because the rules are different, especially in the US where the rules are quite loose unless it's medical or safety related. If it offends you that much you should donate to a US consumer advocacy group.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Those are small e-tailers, and not AMD marketing. AMD advertizes it as 5ghz cpu here.

Why dont you link it then to the big shops selling it as 5Ghz.

 

[ShintaiDK]

Sure, but why single out these AMD processors? As has been shown this happens with lots of products because the rules are different, especially in the US where the rules are quite loose unless it's medical or safety related. If it offends you that much you should donate to a US consumer advocacy group.

Could you tell me who else does it?

 

[Erenhardt]

Why dont you link it then to the big shops selling it as 5Ghz.

Cause no one major is selling it.
But tech sites advertise it as 5ghz:
http://www.frazpc.pl/aktualnosci/924347,5-ghz-procesor-amd-fx-9590---wyniki-benchamrkow/5.html
http://www.purepc.pl/procesory/pierwsze_testy_amd_fx9590_z_zegarem_5_ghz

I found this:

LOL:awe:

 

[ShintaiDK]

Cause no one major is selling it.
But tech sites advertise it as 5ghz:
http://www.frazpc.pl/aktualnosci/924347,5-ghz-procesor-amd-fx-9590---wyniki-benchamrkow/5.html
http://www.purepc.pl/procesory/pierwsze_testy_amd_fx9590_z_zegarem_5_ghz

I found this:

LOL:awe:

So none I assume?

 

[Rvenger]

Its a 5ghz CPU for crying out loud. It doesn't matter if it's 5ghz on 1 core, or all 8. If one core hits 5ghz, then its 5 ghz.. Look at all the people who run LN2 to shoot the clocks to the moon. 7ghz on 2 cores etc.


You are basically saying these guys are a fraud as well...

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/di...er_Beats_Own_Clock_Speed_Record_8_461GHz.html


http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Ivy_Bridge-core-i7-3770K-overclocking-record,15849.html

 

[notty22]

I don't think there is any fraud going on here at all. Maybe nitpicking.
I remember this story, stuck in my mind. Can't believe it was 2 years ago.
Intel Finally Has a Real 4 GHz CPU - Tom's Hardware

An updated spec sheet reveals that the recently introduced Xeon E3-1290 runs at 3.6 GHz with four cores, but the chip's turbo boost will scale the clock speed to 4.0 GHz when running on only one core. What makes this processor particularly interesting is the fact that it is closely related to the i7-2000 Sandy Bridge series, which would indicate that Intel could be launching a 4 GHz desktop processor as well.

 

[Vesku]

Could you tell me who else does it?

You may not be familiar with US "unlimited* wireless data" plans that throttle after 2GB/month. Note the asterisk, fine print is a religion with most US businesses.

Tesla recently got bad press over extremely misleading financing advertising, afaik no authorities stepped in. http://news.yahoo.com/dont-trust-teslas-405-month-financing-stunt-000229185--finance.html

 

[galego]

AMD markets it as the first 5Ghz CPU, yet its not. TD sells it as 5Ghz.

So yes, both are commiting fraud. Its only a matter if the places they commit fraud got any laws in terms of punishment.

AMD is not commiting any fraud. Your TD link does not work, but I found another where an intel chip is being advertised by its graphics turbo frequency (1250 MHz), without any mention of the base frequency (350 MHz)

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...048&CatId=8741

According to your own logic, this Intel Haswell chip is being fraudulently advertised.

Note also this part of the description:

With the Integrated Intel HD Graphics 4600 that works at 1250 MHZ of graphics core speed, your PC gets fully equipped to perform intense games.

Fully equiped for intense games? LOL Who writes this nonsense? Intel marketing dept?

This might help:

No really. That is only part of a general news. The official presentation includes the technical details and unambiguously note that 5GHz is the turbo frequency

 

[ShintaiDK]

You seem to have short memory galego. Check page 1 again instead of writing a new post about exactly the same.

But its good to see the 4.7Ghz Furnace Xtreme 9590 is correctly listed in Europe. I only wish my north american friends got the same benefit.

 

[Idontcare]

I am quite aware AMD likes to lie in their PR material.

You could buy commercial 5Ghz CPUs since...2007?

And 5.2GHz since 2010/2011 timeframe.

 

[galego]

You seem to have short memory galego. Check page 1 again instead of writing a new post about exactly the same.

<snip> I only wish my north american friends got the same benefit.

My memory is fine (thanks by your interest) and no I didn't quote Intel marketing nonsense about the HD Graphics 4600 getting your PC "fully equipped to perform intense games". LOL

We all desire that sellers, like that mentioned by you, stop advertising Intel Haswell by its turbo speed.

And 5.2GHz since 2010/2011 timeframe.

Both of you miss what 'commercial' means in this context. It means that average Joe cannot go to his favourite store and buy a IBM RISC processor, but he can buy now an AMD 5GHz processor. The AMD chip is the first available to him.

 

[SiliconWars]

I don't see any problem with it because I believe that under most circumstances the chip will be running at 5GHz.

If you're gaming...it's highly likely that it'll be running near 5 GHz because games are so lightly threaded. If not, you're probably bound by your GPU anyway so the tiny 6% drop-off from frequency won't even show up on the tiniest scale.

The only time you'd not be at 5GHz when it mattered would be when running server-type loads. In which case you should probably have bought a server CPU.

 

[blackened23]

Whoa hey. I didn't read this thread and I DONT THINK I want to (lol), but I don't think it's fraudulent to advertise 5GHz. But I also don't think it's a good product, either.

 

[galego]

I don't see any problem with it because I believe that under most circumstances the chip will be running at 5GHz.

And beyond 5GHz. This is an unlocked chip (see AMD slide above) advertised for enthusiasts and overclockers. Moreover those are well-informed buyers and know very well that 5GHz is the turbo clock at stock config.

 

[Meghan54]

AMD is not commiting any fraud. Your TD link does not work, but I found another where an intel chip is being advertised by its graphics turbo frequency (1250 MHz), without any mention of the base frequency (350 MHz)

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...048&amp;CatId=8741

According to your own logic, this Intel Haswell chip is being fraudulently advertised.

Then here's your solution instead of trying to bash Intel ever so subtly...but failing miserably.

Why don't you go to whomever wrote/posted the advertising materials on Tiger Direct and ask them why THEY are advertising the cpu by its turbo core clock instead of its idle clock? After all, you seem fixated on TD and its advertising instead of Newegg, Amazon, et al, so it'd seem logical to go talk with them and who wrote their advert copy.

But, you are trying to put the onus on Intel. Guess Intel owns TD?

 

[frozentundra123456]

And beyond 5GHz. This is an unlocked chip (see AMD slide above) advertised for enthusiasts and overclockers. Moreover those are well-informed buyers and know very well that 5GHz is the turbo clock at stock config.

I already stated that it is not fraud because there is no law stating how clockspeed should be advertised. But you can never be satisfied it seems. Are you seriously advocating advertising based on overclocking?

This thread should have died long ago. The answer is simple. No, it is not fraud in the legal sense in the US because there is no law to violate. But yes it is deceptive because it is advertised differently than what is the generally accepted method of advertising CPU clockspeed .

 

[SiliconWars]

Then here's your solution instead of trying to bash Intel ever so subtly...but failing miserably.

Erm I think you are confusing "Intel bashing" with making a similar argument.

But, you are trying to put the onus on Intel. Guess Intel owns TD?

No he put the onus on ShintaiDK to either drop his fraud point or admit that Intel is doing the same thing. Which he did - http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=35242016&postcount=11

 

[Torn Mind]

One could argue that it'd be morally wrong to mislead someone, but if you want the have the legal system enforce the moral principle, you'd have to dole out an appropriate punishment for the crime. A few cores not reaching the 5.0 Ghz mark is going to cost the consumer a slap on the wrist. The US's resources would be better spent hunting down more devastating scammers such as those participating in various Nigerian scams.

 

[Chiropteran]

Then here's your solution instead of trying to bash Intel ever so subtly...but failing miserably.

Why don't you go to whomever wrote/posted the advertising materials on Tiger Direct and ask them why THEY are advertising the cpu by its turbo core clock instead of its idle clock? After all, you seem fixated on TD and its advertising instead of Newegg, Amazon, et al, so it'd seem logical to go talk with them and who wrote their advert copy.

But, you are trying to put the onus on Intel. Guess Intel owns TD?

Galego is simply pointing out ShintaiDK's bias. Intel does this all the time, yet the first time he has issue with it is when an AMD CPU is advertised at turbo instead of base clock speed. He is simply pointing out that it is nothing unique to AMD.

 

[galego]

Why don't you go to whomever wrote/posted the advertising materials on Tiger Direct and ask them why THEY are advertising the cpu by its turbo core clock instead of its idle clock? After all, you seem fixated on TD and its advertising instead of Newegg, Amazon, et al, so it'd seem logical to go talk with them and who wrote their advert copy.

Did you read the entire thread? It started out of another, because one poster said that TD was committing fraud and advertising an AMD chip by turbo. The link that he gave us does not longer works, but there is another link where TD is advertising a Haswell chip by its turbo speed.

He is who makes accusations of fraud against TD and who mentioned the police. He is who would call/write TD and ask them why are using turbo. He is who provided a list of European sellers that, according to him, correctly advertise both the turbo and the base clock of the Haswell chips. He is who wrote:

I only wish my north american friends got the same benefit.

I think you would be addressing your post to him, not to me.

 

[SiliconWars]

The answer is simple. No, it is not fraud in the legal sense in the US because there is no law to violate. But yes it is deceptive because it is advertised differently than what is the generally accepted method of advertising CPU clockspeed .

What about Intel advertising their graphics as HD 4000?

Forget all about clock speeds - just brand everything as HD 3000/4000 etc. Sure some of them will run at 400 MHz most of the time and some will run at 1300 MHz (all under the same HD3000/HD4000 branding), but I guess that's ok?

 

[Idontcare]

Both of you miss what 'commercial' means in this context. It means that average Joe cannot go to his favourite store and buy a IBM RISC processor, but he can buy now an AMD 5GHz processor. The AMD chip is the first available to him.

The average Joe cannot go to his favorite store and buy an FX-9590 either...

 

[Torn Mind]

Thanks to Speedstep and Cool n' Quiet, one could make the argument that the conventional way of advertising clockspeed is also misleading because the CPU is not always running at that clockspeed either, but rather less than it most of the time. And no, Speedstep/Cool n' Quiet is usually not mentioned in the title of the product page.