Is this considered rape, my friend... *UPDATE*

[flavio]

Originally posted by: Jmman
Well, really it all boils down to one thing, if you have any doubts about whether a girl is intoxicated or not, the best thing to do is keep it in your pants....

My girlfriend is at the bar with some friends from work right now and when she gets home I'm not keeping it in my pants (she'll probably get it out for me).

Just a heads up if anyone wants to call the cops on me.

 

[mchammer187]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: pulse8

certainly beer or alcohol can change a persons mind though and IMO its not rape

Well, what if a girl gets really drunk, passes out to an unconscious state and then the guy takes off her clothes and has sex with her. Is that not rape because he had alcohol?

What if she's somewhat conscious, says no, but is not able to fight the guy off because of being intoxicated? Is that not rape either?

Those are cases of rape. But if she's somewhat conscious and says yes, and doesn't fight the guy off, it should not be called rape.

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: HakunaMatata
sorry about the delayed replies, i'm using my bro's computer so i have to keep kicking of the pc so i can use it.

i want to say on my behalf i do care what has happened to jen. Its easy for you people to condemn my friends and tell me turn him in. Its quite actually hard for me to actually call the cops about this situation because he's my best friend.

Also i've decided before i do anything, i'm going to see her tommorow at school and i'm going to talk to her and try to ask her about that night, and what actions she may want to take. I'll leave the decision to her.

your best friend is a rapist... you defending his action makes you almost as bad as he is...

she can be as much of a bitch as she want's to, what he could have done was to tell her so, to use it as a defence for his rape makes me wonder if you haven't got a serious problem with your definition of right and wrong...

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: Mrfrog840
heh. FIRST iwould get some new friends. About calling the cops on him, i would talk to him about it, maybe have him turn himself in, because no one ever likes a rat

which one is worse? the rat or the rapist?

 

[SuperTool]

I don't think you need to turn him in. Ask the girl if she remembers what happenned. If she doesn't, tell her. Then let her decide if she wants to press charges.
Keep in mind that you might become a witness in a trial, which is prolly a major PITA.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: mchammer187

Originally posted by: flavio

C. When the victim is incapable of giving consent because of mental deficiency or disease, or when the victim is incapable of giving consent because of the effect of any alcoholic liquor, narcotic, drug, or any other substance, which condition was known by the offender or was reasonably apparent to the offender."

I interperet this as meaning that if your too messed up to understand what's going on and say yes or no. After a couple drinks you are still capable of giving consent.

because of the effect of any alcoholic liquor

certainly beer or alcohol can change a persons mind though and IMO its not rape

lets say a girl i would never sleep with if i was sober after 6 or 7 beers i say what the hell lets do it (assuming i can walk ok and can speak somewhat coherently)if she asks to fvck in that situation is it rape? I would say no but that is my problem with the wording of the law

beer has affected what i would have said in that situation but it still is not rape

lol yes the beer goggle effect. but if the standards were the same, it would be rape bah

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

C. When the victim is incapable of giving consent because of mental deficiency or disease, or when the victim is incapable of giving consent because of the effect of any alcoholic liquor, narcotic, drug, or any other substance, which condition was known by the offender or was reasonably apparent to the offender."

So, alcohol won't excuse a man from getting drunk and beating up on his wife or kid, but it will allow a woman to turn otherwise consentual sex into rape after the fact? Does no one else see a problem here?

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: SuperTool
I don't think you need to turn him in. Ask the girl if she remembers what happenned. If she doesn't, tell her. Then let her decide if she wants to press charges.
Keep in mind that you might become a witness in a trial, which is prolly a major PITA.

Oh, it's a PITA, well then i guess he shouldn't, why do the right thing when the wrong thing is easier to do?

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

C. When the victim is incapable of giving consent because of mental deficiency or disease, or when the victim is incapable of giving consent because of the effect of any alcoholic liquor, narcotic, drug, or any other substance, which condition was known by the offender or was reasonably apparent to the offender."

So, alcohol won't excuse a man from getting drunk and beating up on his wife or kid, but it will allow a woman to turn otherwise consentual sex into rape after the fact? Does no one else see a problem here?

Define drunk... in the situation discussed in this thread, she was not able to give her consent, isn't that rape?

If in doubt, do not unzip, it's really not that hard to wait until you are sure...

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: SuperTool
I don't think you need to turn him in. Ask the girl if she remembers what happenned. If she doesn't, tell her. Then let her decide if she wants to press charges.
Keep in mind that you might become a witness in a trial, which is prolly a major PITA.

Oh, it's a PITA, well then i guess he shouldn't, why do the right thing when the wrong thing is easier to do?

How is it the wrong thing? He didn't do anything, his friend did.

 

[mchammer187]

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: SuperTool
I don't think you need to turn him in. Ask the girl if she remembers what happenned. If she doesn't, tell her. Then let her decide if she wants to press charges.
Keep in mind that you might become a witness in a trial, which is prolly a major PITA.

Oh, it's a PITA, well then i guess he shouldn't, why do the right thing when the wrong thing is easier to do?

if he tells her about it and she wont do anything than that is enough because he wont go to jail anyway if she doesnt press charges

IMO telling her and saying you will testify in court if she wants you to is enough

what more do you want ?

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: pulse8

certainly beer or alcohol can change a persons mind though and IMO its not rape

Well, what if a girl gets really drunk, passes out to an unconscious state and then the guy takes off her clothes and has sex with her. Is that not rape because he had alcohol?

What if she's somewhat conscious, says no, but is not able to fight the guy off because of being intoxicated? Is that not rape either?

Those are cases of rape. But if she's somewhat conscious and says yes, and doesn't fight the guy off, it should not be called rape.

i agree...

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: SuperTool
I don't think you need to turn him in. Ask the girl if she remembers what happenned. If she doesn't, tell her. Then let her decide if she wants to press charges.
Keep in mind that you might become a witness in a trial, which is prolly a major PITA.

Oh, it's a PITA, well then i guess he shouldn't, why do the right thing when the wrong thing is easier to do?

How is it the wrong thing? He didn't do anything, his friend did.

I disagree, he has knowledge of what his friend did, when you have knowledge of a crime you should report it without second thoght IMO...

The question is where do you draw the line between what you report and not? rape? murder? I would say that rape is a serious enough crime...

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: mchammer187

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: SuperTool
I don't think you need to turn him in. Ask the girl if she remembers what happenned. If she doesn't, tell her. Then let her decide if she wants to press charges.
Keep in mind that you might become a witness in a trial, which is prolly a major PITA.

Oh, it's a PITA, well then i guess he shouldn't, why do the right thing when the wrong thing is easier to do?

if he tells her about it and she wont do anything than that is enough because he wont go to jail anyway if she doesnt press charges

IMO telling her and saying you will testify in court if she wants you to is enough

what more do you want ?

I want him to take the hard road, be the rat, and report it.... Maybe she doesn't want anyone to know because she is embarrased, but does that make it any less of a crime? rape is rape and rapists should be locked up...

 

[Sid59]

what a loser. losers hang out with other losers. you're not a loser, call the cops and get a new friend.

 

[SuperTool]

he then said if i wanted to i could go up and have sex with her, because she will probably sleep with me too because she's a slut.

saying she will PROBABLY sleep with you because she's a slut, implies that there is a chance she won't sleep with you, which to me means she was conscious enough to give or not give consent.
Now if your friend came back and said "you can go fvck her because she is passed out cold" then she would definitely not be in position to give consent.
I think if you tell her now that this guy called her a slut, she might press charges just to defend here so called "reputation", even if the sex was consentual at the time. Some girls file rape charges on consentual sex partners because they get drunk and feel like sluts in the morning. There are a lot of tricky issues here.

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

he then said if i wanted to i could go up and have sex with her, because she will probably sleep with me too because she's a slut.

saying she will PROBABLY sleep with you because she's a slut, implies that there is a chance she won't sleep with you, which to me means she was conscious enough to give or not give consent.
Now if your friend came back and said "you can go fvck her because she is passed out cold" then she would definitely not be in position to give consent.
I think if you tell her now that this guy called her a slut, she might press charges just to defend here so called "reputation", even if the sex was consentual at the time. Some girls file rape charges on consentual sex partners because they get drunk and feel like sluts in the morning. There are a lot of tricky issues here.

I agree, there are a lot of tricky issues, but it's up to the legal system to sort it out, it's not perfect but it's be best we got...

 

[SuperTool]

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: SuperTool

he then said if i wanted to i could go up and have sex with her, because she will probably sleep with me too because she's a slut.

saying she will PROBABLY sleep with you because she's a slut, implies that there is a chance she won't sleep with you, which to me means she was conscious enough to give or not give consent.
Now if your friend came back and said "you can go fvck her because she is passed out cold" then she would definitely not be in position to give consent.
I think if you tell her now that this guy called her a slut, she might press charges just to defend here so called "reputation", even if the sex was consentual at the time. Some girls file rape charges on consentual sex partners because they get drunk and feel like sluts in the morning. There are a lot of tricky issues here.

I agree, there is a lot of tricky issues, but it's up to the legal system to sort it out, it's not perfect but it's be best we got...

We are talking about something where accusation alone will ruin someone's reputation for life. You better be damn sure it was rape.
This turn him in and let the justice system sort it out is BS IMHO, because even if he is acquitted, he'll still be marked for life as accused rapist.

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: SuperTool

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: SuperTool

he then said if i wanted to i could go up and have sex with her, because she will probably sleep with me too because she's a slut.

saying she will PROBABLY sleep with you because she's a slut, implies that there is a chance she won't sleep with you, which to me means she was conscious enough to give or not give consent.
Now if your friend came back and said "you can go fvck her because she is passed out cold" then she would definitely not be in position to give consent.
I think if you tell her now that this guy called her a slut, she might press charges just to defend here so called "reputation", even if the sex was consentual at the time. Some girls file rape charges on consentual sex partners because they get drunk and feel like sluts in the morning. There are a lot of tricky issues here.

I agree, there is a lot of tricky issues, but it's up to the legal system to sort it out, it's not perfect but it's be best we got...

We are talking about something where accusation alone will ruin someone's reputation for life. You better be damn sure it was rape.
This turn him in and let the justice system sort it out is BS IMHO, because even if he is acquitted, he'll still be marked for life as accused rapist.

Well, i disagree with you, but you are entitled to your opinion of course... even though it is wrong...

 

[Wheezer]

I hope this chick does not have a bf or brother with a temper like mine...if I found out that this happened to anyone I knew...I would break the offenders kneecaps with a bat.

oh yeah...you're a punk for not reporting it.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

C. When the victim is incapable of giving consent because of mental deficiency or disease, or when the victim is incapable of giving consent because of the effect of any alcoholic liquor, narcotic, drug, or any other substance, which condition was known by the offender or was reasonably apparent to the offender."

So, alcohol won't excuse a man from getting drunk and beating up on his wife or kid, but it will allow a woman to turn otherwise consentual sex into rape after the fact? Does no one else see a problem here?

I see a problem here also. This woman is just as responsible for this guy having sex with her as he is. She put herself into this condition of getting screwed. what if the guy was drunk too and they had sex. would the women still get off because she hasn't got a penis? Would the guy still be held responsible? Alot of people with double standards out there. Maybe this will teach the woman if you get drunk then you'll get screwed and maybe next time she'll think twice.

KK

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

C. When the victim is incapable of giving consent because of mental deficiency or disease, or when the victim is incapable of giving consent because of the effect of any alcoholic liquor, narcotic, drug, or any other substance, which condition was known by the offender or was reasonably apparent to the offender."

So, alcohol won't excuse a man from getting drunk and beating up on his wife or kid, but it will allow a woman to turn otherwise consentual sex into rape after the fact? Does no one else see a problem here?

I see a problem here also. This woman is just as responsible for this guy having sex with her as he is. She put herself into this condition of getting screwed. what if the guy was drunk too and they had sex. would the women still get off because she hasn't got a penis? Would the guy still be held responsible? Alot of people with double standards out there. Maybe this will teach the woman if you get drunk then you'll get screwed and maybe next time she'll think twice.

KK

The key word is consent, if she does not, or cannot give it or if he forces himself on her, it is rape, a halfasleep woman is not gonna give you consent...

Is it really that hard to NOT have sex with a woman when you are in doubt of the given situation?

 

[Iron Woode]

Remember guys: the key word here is ***consent***

The dictionary definition does not apply in this case.

The definition of consent is what the judge decides it is. This is the way it works. Deeko can't get this through his thick skull.

A girl smells a beer cap and is therefore under the influence of alcohol? Are you smoking crack? One drop of liquor and it is therefore rape? Stop smoking crack.

Listen carefully: she must be able to give consent. It must be shown in court she could not give consent. The level of her intoxication is relevant to decide her ability to give consent. One drink is not considered enough of an intoxicant to prevent consent.

Remember a judge and jury considers the whole situation and all the facts in order to make a decision. Just because a woman cries rape doesn't automatically mean he will be convicted.

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: SnapIT

Originally posted by: KK

Originally posted by: Gonad the Barbarian

C. When the victim is incapable of giving consent because of mental deficiency or disease, or when the victim is incapable of giving consent because of the effect of any alcoholic liquor, narcotic, drug, or any other substance, which condition was known by the offender or was reasonably apparent to the offender."

So, alcohol won't excuse a man from getting drunk and beating up on his wife or kid, but it will allow a woman to turn otherwise consentual sex into rape after the fact? Does no one else see a problem here?

I see a problem here also. This woman is just as responsible for this guy having sex with her as he is. She put herself into this condition of getting screwed. what if the guy was drunk too and they had sex. would the women still get off because she hasn't got a penis? Would the guy still be held responsible? Alot of people with double standards out there. Maybe this will teach the woman if you get drunk then you'll get screwed and maybe next time she'll think twice.

KK

The key word is consent, if she does not, or cannot give it or if he forces himself on her, it is rape, a halfasleep woman is not gonna give you consent...

Is it really that hard to NOT have sex with a woman when you are in doubt of the given situation?

If he was drunk too, whose fault would it be? Anyways, it boils down that she should take some responsibilty for putting herself in that predicament. I am not saying that what this guy was ok, but I would not consider it rape. It could be rape if and only if he made her drink or drugged her without her knowledge. Her consent in this case, was her picking up the bottle.

KK

 

[StinkyMeat]

If this turns out to be a Skoorb effect, I will die a happy man.